retirement due to injury

[lahinch_lass]

I was trying to see if there was already a thread on this topic, but I couldn't find one.

Anyhow, the latest player to be forced into retirement from rugby - Daffyd Jones former Wales & Scarlets flanker. (http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/other/2011/0104/1224286766262.html) He's staying on with scarlets to assit with their academy and community work for the rest of the season anyway.

There's been some amount of players in the last couple of months announcing their retirement due to injuries.. Might be as well to keep this thread going for all the various announcements.

Current summary of all postings:
Prop:

Gary Powell, Achilles, Wales
Ronan Mc Cormack, Neck, 33, Ireland
Robbie Morris Back, 29, Ireland
David Barnes Neck, 34, England
Nigel Hall Achilles, 32, Wales
Eduard Cotzee Head 32 France
Iestyn Thomas Neck 35 Wales
Rhys Thomas Heart 29 wales
Darragh Hurley Ireland
David Flatman Hand, 33? England


Hooker:

John Fogarty, concussion, 33 , Ireland
Steve Thompson neck, 33, England
Jerry Flannery back 33 Ireland
Lloyd Burns, neck/heart 27 Wales
Matt Cairns Ankle 34
Andy Long neck 34 England

Second row:

Richard Blaze, Foot, England
Trevor Hogan, Knee, 31 Ireland
Conor McInerney knee, 24, Wales
Peter Short Ankle, 32 England
Deniol Jones Shoulder Wales
Scott Hobson shoulder 24 england
Adam Eustace neck 32 England
Jon Pendlebury concussion 29 England


Back row:

Daffyd Jones, Shoulder, 31, Wales
David Pollock, Hip Ireland
Nathan Budgett, Ankle , 35, England
Ben Lewis, Neck, 24, Wales
Alix Popham Shoulder 31 France
Joe Worseley Neck, 34 England
Gareth Williams neck, wales
Tom Rees Knee england
John Hart Shoulder 30 England
David Wallace Knee 35 Ireland
Denis Leamy Hip 30 Ireland
Michael Lipman Head australia
Xavier Rush Neck 34 Wales
Andy Beattie Ankle, England
Lewis Moody Knee? 34 England
Pat Sanderson Shoulder 33 England
Dan Ward-Smith Back 33 England
Gerald Gambetta Shoulder 27
Craig Newby knee 33 New Zealand (playing in england)
Angus MacDonald, neck, 32, New Zealand (playing in Scotland)

Half Back:

Danny Lee, Shoulder, Wales
Conor O'Loughlin Hip, 28, Ireland
Ryan Powell neck 31 England

Back Five:

Thom Evans, neck, 24, Scotland
Mark Jones, Knee, 30, Wales
Ian Dowling, Hip, 28, Ireland
Tom Shanklin knee, 31, Wales
Barry Murphy Foot, 28? Ireland
Keith Matthews Achilles 28 Ireland
Shane Horgan knee 33 Ireland
simon danielli back Ireland
Jon Kennedy concussion 21
Richard Mustoe Pelvis, 30, Wales

[Tobyglen]

Gavin Quinnell from the same club aswell due to a stamp into his face (lost an eye). They gave him a job also.

[lahinch_lass]

From december 7th -
Cardiff Blues have been dealt a blow with the news that front row forward Gary Powell has been forced to retire through injury.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
Gary joined Cardiff Blues in May 2006 signing from Gloucester RFC, having previously played for Richmond RFC and Leeds Tykes.
Originally from the Rhondda, Gary was educated at Treorchy Comprehensive School and Llandovery College. He first joined Cardiff RFC in the summer of 1999 enjoying an excellent first season as a young prop and went on to play 55 games for the club. Having played all age grade rugby for his country Gary went on to play for Wales under-21 while at the Arms Park.

Since moving back to Cardiff, Gary played 80 games for the Blues, starting 55 matches and coming off the bench for 25. Gary suffered a torn achilles in the Magners League defeat against Leinster in March this year and the injury has not heeled well enough for him to play rugby.

Speaking of the announcement, Cardiff Blues CEO Robert Norster said,
"It is very unfortunate for both Gary and the Blues that injury has again struck and shortened another professional career."

"Naturally, we are sorry to lose Gary who has been a popular and affable character serving the team well, both on and off the field of play."

"On behalf of us all, I wish him and his family every success in their future lives".
Gary Powell said, "I have worked extremely hard to overcome this injury, but in the end I have been advised by my consultant that my achilles will not stand up to the demands of the rugby, which is hugely disappointing."

"I would like to thank the fans, the medical team and everyone at the Blues for their support during this difficult time. There have been huge changes since I first joined in 1999 and I wish them every success in the future."

"I have played with some great players and made many lifelong friends throughout my career."

"I would also like to say a special thanks to my family and friends, especially my father for the unfaltering support."

"From when I first started at Treherbert RFC, playing rugby has been a large part of my life for many years and will be missed massively."

"However, I have a young family and it is now time to look to the future and enjoy the next chapter of my life."

[lahinch_lass]

From November 8th -
Leinster Rugby can today announce the immediate retirements due to injury of two great servants for Leinster and Irish rugby; hooker John Fogarty (concussion) and prop Ronan McCormack (neck).</span>
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Leinster Chief Executive Mick Dawson commented: "It is regrettable that both players are retiring due to injury. Both John and Ronan are immensely popular and talented individuals who each played a significant role in Leinster's recent on-field success.

"John joined Leinster in 2008 and has been a key figure for our province since that time, with his consistent form culminating in his first Ireland call-up on this year's summer tour to New Zealand. A Heineken Cup winner, John represented Munster,

Connacht and Leinster playing 165 matches over a career which spanned a decade.

"Capped on nine occasions for Ireland 'A', Ronan was a key member of Leinster's Heineken Cup and Magners League winning sides and was a consistent contributor during the 118 matches he amassed playing for Leinster, Connacht and Ulster. Ronan too can look back on his career with enormous pride and satisfaction.

"I would like to thank both players for their outstanding commitment, professionalism and service to the game of rugby in Ireland. Everybody in Leinster Rugby wishes both John and Ronan and their families well in their future."

Name: John Fogarty
DOB: 18th October 1977
Birthplace: Cork (raised Tipperary)
Height: 1.78 m (5' 10")
Weight:102 kg (16 st 0 lb)
Position: Hooker
Club: De la Salle Palmerston
School: Rockwell College

Leinster Caps: 44 (2 tries)
Leinster 'A' Caps: 3 (v Saracens, Bristol, Munster)
British &amp; Irish Cup Caps:1 (v Plymouth Albion)

Ireland Cap: 1 (v New Zealand)
Ireland 'A' Caps: 12 (3 as captain)
Connacht Caps: 110 (83 Magners League, 27 Challenge Cup)
Munster Caps: 11

Name: Ronan McCormack
DOB: 27th April 1977
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Height:1.78 m (5' 10")
Weight:115 kg (18 st 0 lb)
Position: Prop
Club: UCD RFC
School: St. Mary's College, Rathmines

Leinster Caps: 52 (3 tries)
Leinster 'A' Caps:12 (v Oxford, Ulster x2, Ireland Under-20, Connacht x2, Crawshays, Munster x3, Enisei STM, Edinburgh)
British &amp; Irish Cup Caps: 5 (v Plymouth Albion, Cornish Pirates, Exeter Chiefs, Newport, Gael Force)

Ireland 'A' Caps:9
Ireland Universities Caps:12
Ireland Schools Caps:4
Leinster Under 19/20 Caps:7
Leinster Schools Caps:3
Connacht Caps: 28
Ulster Caps: 38 (32 CL, 6 HC)

[lahinch_lass]

Also from November 8th I think this was official announcement -
Glasgow Warriors winger, Thom Evans, is to retire from rugby following the neck injury he sustained whilst playing for Scotland during the 2010 RBS 6 Nations Championship.</span>

Evans collided with another player at the Millennium Stadium on Saturday 13 February and suffered a slipped vertebra in his neck.

Following the accident, the then 24-year-old received expert medical attention from members of the Millennium Stadium, Welsh Rugby Union and Scottish Rugby medical teams before undergoing two operations at the University Hospital Wales, part of the Cardiff and Vale University Health Board.

On today's announcement, which comes as a result of medical advice, Evans said: "When you're told you can't play the sport you love dearly, it comes as quite a shock.

"But taking everything into account, I can still do pretty much anything. I just can't play a physical game such as rugby.
"I've been fortunate to have played six seasons at the top against some of the best players in the world. I'll have those memories for the rest of my life."

Career ending injury is a rare occurrence at the elite level of the game and although Evans's injury has seen him retire from rugby, he realises that his situation is very uncommon.

"You can ask any rugby player who has had a freak accident and they will still tell you that rugby is the best game in the world," he continued.

"Even though I can't play the game, I'll still be as enthusiastic off the pitch as I was on it."

Evans has now set his sights on achieving success via his many other talents.

He continued: "No matter what the future holds, I know I will remain a big follower of my brother Max, Glasgow Warriors and the Scotland team for the rest of my life."

Glasgow Warriors head coach, Sean Lineen, signed Evans from London Wasps in 2006 having seen the youngster run in a hat-trick of tries against Scotland whilst representing England U21.

He said: "I remember getting Thom up here after he played for England U21 and firstly realising what a great guy he is. I also saw a steely edge and a real competitiveness to his game.

"What has happened is unfortunate but it's now in the past. I know that whatever Thom does in the future, he will succeed.

"It's great we all had the chance to see Thom grace the rugby field and I am personally privileged to have coached him."
Meanwhile, Scotland head coach Andy Robinson paid tribute the winger.

"On behalf of the Scotland management and players I want to wish Thom all the very best," he said.

"Thom is a talented and resilient lad, and whatever challenges he decides to take on, he does so with our full backing and knowing that the rugby family will always be there to support and encourage him."

Scotland team doctor and Scottish Rugby's head of medical services, Dr James Robson, added: "While it is obviously poignant that Thom is retiring from the game, thanks to the skill and professionalism of all the medical professionals involved in Thom's treatment and rehabilitation - as well as his own strength in body and mind - he can now look forward to leading a full and healthy life."

Scottish Rugby president, Ian McLauchlan, said: "Thom was a great rugby player and remains a great ambassador for rugby.

"The injury he sustained is rare in rugby and when I witnessed it happen at the Millennium Stadium, I shared the concerns of many others around the world.

"As a governing body, Scottish Rugby takes player welfare extremely seriously and we do everything we can to ensure that the safety of our game is of paramount priority.

"Thom has shown great strength in character to bounce back so quickly.

"Thom has a great future ahead of him and everyone at Scottish Rugby, and the wider rugby community, is behind him every step of the way."

[lahinch_lass]

From November 16th -
Connacht's Robbie Morris retires through injury</span>

Born in Hertford on the 20th of February 1982, Robbie Morris began his rugby career at the age of 8 with his local side Hertford RFC. At the age of 18, Premiership side the Northampton Saints came calling.
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Robbie had a difficult decision to make as he had just won a silver Commonwealth Youth Games medal for discuss in Edinburgh. His choice was rewarded when he was named in the England U18 squad. He made his debut for the Saints in 2001 and went on to make 56 premiership and 17 Heineken cup appearances including reaching the Heineken cup quarterfinal in 2005. While at Northampton, Robbie was called into the England Senior squad and made his debut against Wales as a 21 year old in 2003. The 2005/6 season saw him make the switch to the Newcastle Falcons where he played with fellow Connacht forward Michael McCarthy. In two seasons with the Falcons, Robbie made 35 appearances before moving to the West of Ireland. He made his Connacht debut against South Africa in 2007 and added 39 Magners League caps and 17 European Challenge Cup games to his Connacht tally before being forced into retirement in 2010 through a back injury.

Robbie on career highlights:
"I've played a lot of big games over the 10 years and it's impossible to pick a best moment but getting my first cap against Wales (in2003) in Cardiff was huge moment in my career, playing in front of a full house at Twickenham, playing the likes of Toulouse and Biarritz in the Heineken cup for Northampton and the Amlin Challenge Cup semi-final last year against Toulon, they're all big occasions to look back on.

"Rugby is a very physical game now, when I first became a professional rugby player the front rows role it was a very different , it was more about scrummaging, lineouts, mauling and maybe getting in a few cheap shots in than carrying the ball and making tackles , the props that did do a bit around the field were the ones who really stood out, the likes of Phil Vickery, Trevor Woodman and Tom Smith, but if you look at today's players they are expected to these things as standard"

Robbie on coaches:
"I've played with and against some great players, and been coached by some great coaches as well, Wayne Smith was a big influence in Northampton, not just on me but on coaching in England as well, the stuff he brought over from New Zealand influenced everyone, even the England set-up at the time were taking stuff from him"

"I was brought into the Newcastle team by Rob Andrews and got on really well under that setup but after 2 seasons there I felt it was time for a new challenge, I'd been playing in the Premiership for 6 years and was playing with Macca (Michael McCarthy) who was moving to Connacht and heard great things from Damien Browne (brother of Connacht lock Andrew) who I'd played with in Northampton so when Michael Bradley offered me the opportunity to join the squad I jumped at it"

Robbie on now and the future:
"I've always tried to help out the younger players and since I've been injured I've had more time to dedicate to going through the analysis, watch them at training, and offering advice where it's needed. Dan McFarland's a very knowledgeable forwards coach so I liaise with him and help out where I can. There's some great young props coming through, the likes of Brett Wilkinson and Hago (Jamie Hagan) who've had a taste of the Irish squad and hopefully they'll go on to get full caps and carry on from there"

"It's too soon to decide what I'm going to do for the future but I'm enjoying coaching at the moment. I'm involved with Galwegians U21's side and I enjoy being around the Connacht team and helping them out so I think no matter what I end up doing I will stay involved with rugby, be that as a full time coach or even just helping out at club level"
Robbie on the injury that forced him to retire:

"It's not just one thing, it's a build up of a number of lower back probl

[lahinch_lass]

From Nov 23rd -
Ulster Rugby today confirmed that David Pollock has decided to retire from rugby due to a hip injury which has plagued the back row forward for the past 18 months</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
Omagh born and a product of the Royal School Dungannon, David graduated from the Ulster Academy, to sign a development contract in October 2006.

His dedication, work ethos and all-round ability were recognised when he upgraded to a full contract ahead of the start of the 2007-08 season off the back of a truly exceptional 18 months which saw him captain both Ireland U19s and U21s in their respective IRB World Championship in 2006 before leading Ireland U20s to an unprecedented Grand Slam and Six Nations double in 2007.

David who has five Ireland A caps, made his Ulster debut as a replacement against the Ospreys in 2007 and won 45 caps for Ulster during his short career, captaining the side for the first time, against Portugal in a friendly in November 2008
Pollock, who was two years into a medical degree when he was offered a full contract will return to full-time study at Queens' University. He said;

"It is with great sadness that I announce my early retirement from rugby. Whilst it was always my intention to resume my studies at Queens, I never intended it to be quite so soon. My hip injury, however, has not resolved and I have been advised I am no longer able to achieve the level of fitness required to play professional rugby."

"I count myself very fortunate to have represented Ulster at every level from schoolboy to senior team and leading out Ulster in the Heineken Cup against Stade Francais in Paris was one of the most proudest moments of my rugby career."

"Rugby with Ulster has afforded me the privilege to play with and against many great players; whilst doing so I have forged friendships and acquired memories that I will treasure for a long time to come.

I will miss playing rugby and I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who have helped me throughout my career from my years at RSD to the present day. I will especially miss the warm reception that we, the players, get at Ravenhill from the best set of supporters in the Magners League."

"I wish the team well for the rest of the season and in the years ahead. I will be cheering them on from the promenade."

On the news of David's decision, Operations Director David Humphreys commented

"Ear-marked from an early age as a future Ulster captain, David's injury problems in recent years means that we only saw glimpses of his talent in the Ulster shirt. His retirement is a huge loss for Ulster Rugby but fortunately for David, he has a long-term future mapped out in the medical profession and a new challenge awaits him away from

[lahinch_lass]

From Nov 30th -
Newport Gwent Dragons scrum half Danny Lee has been forced to retire from rugby due to an ongoing shoulder problem.</span>

Everyone at the Dragons would like to wish Danny and his family best wishes for the future.

[lahinch_lass]

Those pieces were all from the magners league official website.. I just did a quick trawl through their November &amp; december archives as I knew there's been a whole slew of retirements recently, but I hadn't realised quite how many in such a short timeframe.

[peatbog]

Trevor Hoganmight following his brother Ray into premature retirement i've been told.

[Tobyglen]

Pretty frightening really. You would imagine things will only get worse. Maybe the only way to stop this trend is to get serious with dangerous tackling. How Xavier Rush got 1 week for his tackle on Courtney Lawes beggars belief. Saying that most of those injuries above are probably unavoidable because rugby is a very physical game.

[McCloud]

That is some frightening list when you see it all in one placesmileys/shock.gif

[Waterfordlad]

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[Speedy]

Richard Blaze announces rugby retirement</span> (http://www.leicestertigers.com/news/15816.php)

20 October 2010, 5:45 pm

Leicester Tigers forward Richard Blaze has been forced to announce his retirement from professional rugby due to injury.
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After playing for Moseley and Worcester Warriors, Blaze joined Tigers in the summer of 2007 and made his debut in a victory at Bristol on the opening day of the 2007/08 season.

An England age-group international at Under-19 and Under-21 level, he joined the England Saxons squad in 2007, playing in the victorious Churchill Cup campaign.

Blaze ended his first season at Welford Road with an appearance in the 2008 Guinness Premiership Final and won a second Churchill Cup with the Saxons that summer.

A stress fracture of the foot counted him out of much of the 2008/09 season but Blaze returned for the start of 2009/10, training with the senior England squad ahead of the autumn internationals before the injury struck again.

He made his final playing appearance for Tigers at London Irish in October 2009.

Blaze said: "It's a massively disappointing moment when you get to the stage where you have to say you cannot play again. I've enjoyed my rugby through schools and age-groups, then into the professional game and I was really looking to push on when I came to Leicester.

"I've worked hard to come back from the injury but in the end I've been advised that the stress fracture is not going to stand up to the demands of a full-time career and reluctantly announced my retirement.

"I love the game of rugby and I'd like to thank the medical staff and the strength and conditioning staff, especially Julie Hayton and Andy Shelton, for their help at Leicester and for their great support. But now I will have to move on and make decisions about my future.

"I wish everyone at Tigers all the best for the rest of the season and hope they can enjoy some success."

Tigers director of rugby Richard Cockerill said: "It's extremely disappointing when a player has to retire prematurely, especially so young. We signed Richard because he was a young player we could see developing well within our environment and he made a good impression here on and off the field.

"It is a great pity that injuries stood in his way and we all feel for him now that he is unable to continue. He is a big loss to Leicester Tigers and also to England as he has been brought through the international ranks from the age-groups to the verge of the senior squad.

"On behalf of everyone at Leicester Tigers, I'd like to wish him well for the future."

[Speedy]

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<div style="font-weight: bold;" ="articleer">Welsh winger forced into retirement (http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=26622)</div>


Wednesday 4 August 2010</span>

Wales winger Mark Jones has failed to recover from his third major knee injury and retired from rugby.


Jones was hurt while training with Wales last November, and the
30-year-old announced on Tuesday he was ending his playing career to
become a skills coach for his Scarlets club.


He represented Wales from 2001-09, highlighted by the 2008 Six Nations Grand Slam.


He didn't play for Wales after the 2003 World Cup until the 2006 Six
Nations, during which he had reconstructive surgery on both knees.


He scored 13 tries in his 47 caps.


"Ultimately the decision has been made for me and I have to retire from the game," he said.


"It does feel as though it has come a little prematurely and I was hitting some decent form last season before the injury."

[Charco]

I'd forgotten about Jones, always thought he was a top player.

Jackman is another to add to the list.

[motastic]

Unbelievable thread. Reconstructive surgery on BOTH knees. What these boys put themselves through.
Out of interest, say a Munster player has to retire prematurely due to injury. Do the players/club heavily insure themselves against such an eventuality? Are there Support Networks put in place by Munster to help the player's transition back into the "real world"?

[LeakyBoots]

How long before someone like Flannery goes on this list? I remember reading a stat about the size of second rows now compared to 30 years ago, frightening

[RED 49]

Was watching programme the other night and they said 4 concussions
during a rugby or sports career could lead to massive probs in later
life,when was last time Irish player sat out mandatory time off for this
injury,it will come back to haunt players in later life smileys/sad.gif

[Tobyglen]

You would hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put their bodies through.

Check out this article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3080833/Richie (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3080833/Richie-McCaws-burning-desire) -McCaws-burning-desire

[Sea_point]

<S&#079;NG>You would hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put their bodies through.</S&#079;NG>


Amen to that TG, it's sport not war and a huge increase debilitating injuries in the pro eraare an awful price to pay for someone elses entertainment...

[bruffian]

<S&#079;NG>You would hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put their bodies through.</S&#079;NG>


Amen to that TG, it's sport not war and a huge increase debilitating injuries in the pro eraare an awful price to pay for someone elses entertainment...





Even the lads that do suffer chronic pain later on,probably wouldnt change anything.


They know it dangerous and they go out there anyway,because they love the game and in many cases get paid well for it.

[Tobyglen]

<s&#079;ng>You would hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put their bodies through.</s&#079;ng>


Amen to that TG, it's sport not war and a huge increase debilitating injuries in the pro eraare an awful price to pay for someone elses entertainment...



Even the lads that do suffer chronic pain later on,probably wouldnt change anything.


They know it dangerous and they go out there anyway,because they love the game and in many cases get paid well for it.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. It's all fine saying that but it's about having a decent standard of life. Unfortunately some of these guys will suffer terribly in years to come.

[garryowen2323]

You would hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put their bodies through.

Check out this article

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3080833/Richie -McCaws-burning-desire (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3080833/Richie-McCaws-burning-desire)



Incase people are too lazy to click into TG's link to a very good article, I found this to be unreal:


LET'S GET PHYSICAL


The All Blacks' physical training schedule in the buildup to the England test:


Sunday: Seven hours' travel Milan to London. Pool recovery session and massage.


Monday: Recovery session – games, skills, competition and fun (one hour). Gym session – whole body (all players must complete on Monday or Tuesday unless injured).


Tuesday: Team training (120 minutes depending on workloads). Gym session – strength session.


Wednesday: Day off. Some players have media and sponsors commitments. Massage night.


Thursday: Sharp team training – 20-minute warmup, 60 minutes team, 20 minutes skills. Rests between exercises to maximise explosiveness. Gym – power session. Short length, 30-60 per cent of maximum weight moved as quickly as possible.


Friday: Gym – strength, stretch or "primer". Captain's run, haka practice.


Saturday: Optional light exercise. Walk-through five hours before kickoff.

[lahinch_lass]

I know I've seen the odd piece about some of what the older retired players are going through in terms of chronic pain. AFAIK Paul Wallace was one of the players referenced in the last article I saw on the topic and he isn't that long into retirement.

The 2 big issues post playing seem to be early onset of arthritis and the concussions research has been suggesting a higher risk of alzheimers in later life. That concussions research has come primarily from the American Football research, I've seen a few industry pieces on that research as they're trying to come up with a helmet design that will help to reduce the incidences of concussion and my employer has some involvement in the tech research.

Guys, it does look bad when seen in one place but in reality
look at how many big names down the years have ended
their careers this way? Bill Beaumont and Mervyn Davies,
Trevor Ringland, Paul Dean, Simon Geoghegan, I'm sure
we could find more if we looked.

That's one difference, now it's all reported. 20 years ago
I'd never have heard that Daffyd Jones had retired through
injury, now it's on the BBC site.

Another thing to bear in mind when looking at the sizes of
locks - as one person quoted - is natural development.
These guys are professionals not amateurs, like they were
20 years ago, of course they're going to be bigger. Also
they're training is planned to a degree that maximises their
physical development. BUT, don't forget there were guys
like Maurice Colclough in the early 80s who was 6'5 and
17st9. That's the same size as DOC, POC, MOD etc.
Gordon Brown nearly 40 years ago was 6'5 and 17stone
(and his career ended through a series of injuries). As I've
said in answer to this constant thing on here that every
team has a massive lock in it, actually they don't. The
average now is the top end of the range 20-30 years ago
BUT that's not actually that unexpected.

The difference is the power/fitness levels, but then these
guys aren't running into players with fitness levels of 20-30
years ago either.

Realistically contact injuries and wear and tear retirements
have been part of rugby for decades.

The one that deserves attention is concussion and in
particular how many times you hear it mentioned but how
few times you see players sitting out their medical ban for
it.

[Tobyglen]

EO that's completely overlooking the severity of the collisions nowadays. Bodies aren't designed to take those huge impacts. Players are dropping at a worrying rate and it will get worse. Just look at our injury list POC hasn't started a game in a year. Flannery is in chronic pain with his back/Calf. The injury lists are getting longer as each season progresses. Horan, Quinnie, Baz Murphy, Jones, Earls, Leamy just back after a year out, Dowling, Fogs.

[The Outlaw]

You would
hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post
their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put
their bodies through.Check out this
article<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-
<br / target="_blank">blacks/3080833/Richie-McCaws-burning-
desire">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-
blacks/3080833/Richie -McCaws-burning-desire</a>



Incase people are too lazy to click into TG's link to a
very good article, I found this to be unreal:


LET'S GET PHYSICAL


The All Blacks' physical training schedule in the buildup
to the England test:


Sunday: Seven hours' travel Milan to London. Pool
recovery session and massage.


Monday: Recovery session – games, skills, competition
and fun (one hour). Gym session – whole body (all players
must complete on Monday or Tuesday unless injured).


Tuesday: Team training (120 minutes depending on
workloads). Gym session – strength session.


Wednesday: Day off. Some players have media and
sponsors commitments. Massage night.


Thursday: Sharp team training – 20-minute warmup, 60
minutes team, 20 minutes skills. Rests between exercises
to maximise explosiveness. Gym – power session. Short
length, 30-60 per cent of maximum weight moved as
quickly as possible.


Friday: Gym – strength, stretch or "primer". Captain's
run, haka practice.


Saturday: Optional light exercise. Walk-through five
hours before kickoff.

Dont buy that routine. Sounds like another propaganda PR
release from the All Blacks

[skinnyryan]

Seems like he is getting his life back on track best of luck Thom.


Thom Evans getting on with life after premature retirement</font>
Thursday, January 06, 2011

In February last year, Scotland wing Thom Evans suffered a horrific injury that left him paralysed temporarily, unable to ever play rugby again. While it’s meant a massive change in his life, the 25 year old is looking ahead to a bright future.

The injury took place during the classic Six Nations game between Wales and Scotland at the Millennium Stadium that ended with a last gasp try for Wales, shattering the hearts of all Scottish fans in many cases, neutrals too.

For Thom though, what happened on that day was far more serious. He sustained a severe neck injury that led to him officially announcing his retirement from rugby in November. He’s since spoken about the incident, stating that it felt as though someone was stabbing him in the back, turning the knife, time and time again.

Waves of pain followed after the slipped vertebra from his collision left him with no sensation in his body. "It was like I was in a dream. I knew I was paralysed and then the fear started to set in. I knew immediately I was in real trouble," he said.

"I thought I would die right there on the grass wearing my Scotland shirt, or at least be spending the rest of my life in a wheelchair. For three minutes I lay on the turf as scared as I ever will be in my life."

Shortly after, feeling returned and Thom felt a surging pain that had him pleading with the paramedics on the scene. James Robson, the Scotland and British & Irish Lions team doctor, said that in over 20 years of international sport, that was the worst on-field incident he had to deal with.

When injuries like that occur, how they are treated over the next few minutes can be vital. Any incorrect movement in the wrong direction could lead to serious paralysis.

Two intense operations followed.

"The surgeon pointed to my neck where he was going to make the first incision and explained my back was so badly damaged that they had to cut me from the front where my vocal cords were. They would hang them to one side and move my spine back into place through the front of my body," he explained.

The second op was to strengthen his neck, where metal rods were inserted to fuse part of his spine. Both were successful procedures and while Evans had retained hope of getting fit and playing again, it was soon advised that the wise choice was to pursue something else.

"My walk back home from the hospital when I got that news was one of the longest, most depressing walks I have ever made," he said.

He now has other goals as a career in athletics, golf, and even a return to his on stage days, could follow. While retirement from rugby was a tough pill to swallow, he appreciates that things could have turned out a whole lot worse for him on that fateful day. We wish him all the best.

[Rabb1tts Jump]

You would

hope these guys don't suffer any chronic pain injuries post

their rugby careers. It's phenomenal what these guys put

their bodies through.Check out this

article<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-%0D%3Cbr%20/%20target=" _blank="" target="_blank">blacks/3080833/Richie-McCaws-burning-

desire"&gt;http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-

blacks/3080833/Richie -McCaws-burning-desire</a>





Incase people are too lazy to click into TG's link to a

very good article, I found this to be unreal:



LET'S GET PHYSICAL



The All Blacks' physical training schedule in the buildup

to the England test:



Sunday: Seven hours' travel Milan to London. Pool

recovery session and massage.



Monday: Recovery session – games, skills, competition

and fun (one hour). Gym session – whole body (all players

must complete on Monday or Tuesday unless injured).



Tuesday: Team training (120 minutes depending on

workloads). Gym session – strength session.



Wednesday: Day off. Some players have media and

sponsors commitments. Massage night.



Thursday: Sharp team training – 20-minute warmup, 60

minutes team, 20 minutes skills. Rests between exercises

to maximise explosiveness. Gym – power session. Short

length, 30-60 per cent of maximum weight moved as

quickly as possible.



Friday: Gym – strength, stretch or "primer". Captain's

run, haka practice.



Saturday: Optional light exercise. Walk-through five

hours before kickoff.



Dont buy that routine. Sounds like another propaganda PR

release from the All Blacks

Eh? It isn't that unusual. If they were athletes, they'd being doing a lot more, although probably not that close to competition.

Roughly, over a week 2 and a half proper gym sessions. One stretching session. Three rugby sessions, and one messing about session. And a bit of light exercise thrown on top of all that. Nothing major there to be honest.

[lactose intolerant]

Guys, it does look bad when seen in one place but in reality

look at how many big names down the years have ended

their careers this way? Bill Beaumont and Mervyn Davies,

Trevor Ringland, Paul Dean, Simon Geoghegan, I'm sure

we could find more if we looked.



That's one difference, now it's all reported. 20 years ago

I'd never have heard that Daffyd Jones had retired through

injury, now it's on the BBC site.



Another thing to bear in mind when looking at the sizes of

locks - as one person quoted - is natural development.

These guys are professionals not amateurs, like they were

20 years ago, of course they're going to be bigger. Also

they're training is planned to a degree that maximises their

physical development. BUT, don't forget there were guys

like Maurice Colclough in the early 80s who was 6'5 and

17st9. That's the same size as DOC, POC, MOD etc.

Gordon Brown nearly 40 years ago was 6'5 and 17stone

(and his career ended through a series of injuries). As I've

said in answer to this constant thing on here that every

team has a massive lock in it, actually they don't. The

average now is the top end of the range 20-30 years ago

BUT that's not actually that unexpected.



The difference is the power/fitness levels, but then these

guys aren't running into players with fitness levels of 20-30

years ago either.



Realistically contact injuries and wear and tear retirements

have been part of rugby for decades.



The one that deserves attention is concussion and in

particular how many times you hear it mentioned but how

few times you see players sitting out their medical ban for

it.

you would have to hope though that medical science develops at some stage so it will suit the needs of these players playing in a high powered, big collision game!!
for example, many inuries which would have been career-ending in soccer 30 years ago are now nowhere near as serious!!
i know the problem in rugby tends to be more with recurring injuries rather than one off incidents but you would hope that science is developing ways to better deal with ways to avoid the recurrences!!

i do fully agree with what you say about concussion though

[skinnyryan]

Takes a lot to say all that after that one incident has ruined your whole career hopes and dreams!
Especially when you have to watch your brother playing week in week out!
But it is the best game in the world for sure which helps!


http://www.youtube.com/v/4n4z52VZuIY

[Turkish Fez!]

Scarlets have had a bad 18 months. Mark Jones, Gavin Quinnell and Daf Jones all retired through injuries.


On top of this we have an unusual number of players who go away with Team Wales and come back crocked just after training sessions.


This season alone we have had three tight heads injured during games with broken limbs, 2 arm and 1 leg. Fingers crossed we have no other TH injured tomorrow against Edinburgh or we will be struggling to field a team against Tigers in the HC as we have already had to expand our squad by one TH already!

[Charco]

Scarlets have had a bad 18
months. Mark Jones, Gavin Quinnell and Daf Jones all
retired through injuries.


On top of this we have an unusual number of players
who go away with Team Wales and come back crocked just
after training sessions.


This season alone we have had three tight heads injured
during games with broken limbs, 2 arm and 1 leg. Fingers
crossed we have no other TH injured tomorrow against
Edinburgh or we will be struggling to field a team against
Tigers in the HC as we have already had to expand our
squad by one TH already!

And don't forget the Dragons who lost Lydiate to an injury
because of those fitness tests.

[NeilBestisalegend]

how is it before the average rugby players career is the same as the average NFL's player career (3 years)

[Tobyglen]

how is it before the average rugby players career is the same as the average NFL's player career (3 years)</span>
I presume your pulling that stat out of your arse.

Edit. You seem to be right!

[Charco]

how is it before the average rugby
players career is the same as the &lt;span style="font-weight:
bold;"&gt;average NFL's player career (3 years)&lt;/span&gt;
I presume your pulling that stat out of your
arse.Edit. You seem to be right!

I'm guessing that's a professional senior career?

[lactose intolerant]

how is it before the average rugby players career is the same as the average NFL's player career (3 years)</span>
I presume your pulling that stat out of your arse.

Edit. You seem to be right!


smileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gif embarrassing!!
shot your load too early again Toblerone

[LeakyBoots]

I'd say boning Kelly Brook seven ways until Sunday is helping Thom Evans get on with life quite nicely.

On a serious note, hate seeing young (or any) players end up finishing their careers like that.

It is, without doubt, a different game to 20 years ago. But when you see fellas like Strings, Shane Williams (odious little s**t he may be, but a class player), George Gregan, Quade Cooper... not big units by any means but who have talent by the bucketload, pure and simple, it does offer hope to aspiring players (and us fantasists on the terrace) that it's just not going to be a bunch of gym monkeys colliding into each other on the pitch.

Alternatively, just let them all take whatever steroids they want and let them kick lumps out of each other for our amusement - just as long as we're allowed bring beer to the terrace!

[Tobyglen]

how is it before the average rugby players career is the same as the average NFL's player career (3 years)</span>
I presume your pulling that stat out of your arse.

Edit. You seem to be right!


smileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gif embarrassing!!
shot your load too early again Toblerone

G'way you ya massive gay!
It's actually 3 1/2 years so he did pull it out of his arse. smileys/biggrin.gif

[LuckyDucker]

The Irish Times - Saturday, January 8, 2011

</font>Hey, didn't you used to be David Corkery. . . ?</font>

Rugby is a tough physical game and all professionals, forced or not, have to prepare for the inevitable, writes RICHARD FITZPATRICK

THE AVERAGE length of a career in professional rugby in Ireland is six years. Not everyone can have the longevity Brian O’Driscoll has enjoyed, an international since 1999. Rugby, more than others, is a cruel, physical game. For every John Hayes, there’s a Simon Best. For every Peter Stringer, there’s a Ciarán Scally or Conor McGuinness. For every Alan Quinlan, there’s a David Corkery.

Corkery, who has shoulders like a doorframe, ensconced himself on the blindside of Ireland’s backrow in 1994, a big block of a man to match in stature the oversized English backrow in fashion at the time. He was 21. A year later, the game drifted, falteringly, into professionalism.

Corkery sailed off with it, docking in the port city of Bristol for a couple of years before returning to his native Cork and Munster. In one of the old interprovincial series games against Connacht at Thomond Park in the autumn of 1999, he ripped his Achilles’ tendon. It was a week before Munster’s first Heineken Cup game that season, the start of an odyssey. Quinlan, two years younger than him, slipped into his number six jersey for Munster and is still playing in the tournament. A few months afterwards, Corkery went back running but snapped his other Achilles’ tendon, which forced his retirement.

“To be honest, the rest of the body wasn’t in great condition either,” he says. “I’d had 11 operations on my left knee up to that stage. The body is kaput today. I’ve five compressed disks in my lower spine; they pop out every now and again. I could pick up a pen and not be able to walk for two weeks. Both Achilles’ heels are dodgy. My left knee flares up every time I walk on it.

“We were insured to a certain degree. I had six months to adjust – I was still paid for six months – and then after that, you’re literally on your own. It was horrific. I wasn’t prepared for it at all. It’s frightening. I know now there are policies in place. Hamish Adams of IRUPA does a lot of work with the players, but really, being honest, all you are is a number. You’re only as good as your last game.”

Adams, a Kiwi, qualified sports psychologist and former professional rugby player with Moseley, started as players’ services adviser for IRUPA, the Irish Rugby Union Players Association, in February 2008. He’s the first person to take up the job.

“There is a big transition to make,” he says about moving on from a professional rugby career. “All the literature suggests you need a good support network around yourself in terms of family, friends and expertise. You also need a project to move in to, ideally.

“Obviously the transition is easier to take if it comes on your own terms – if you decide to retire as opposed to being forced to retire through injury of your contract not being renewed. Perhaps you still had aspirations to do more in the game. Those factors can have a huge bearing on how easy or difficult the transition can be.

“There’s a period of adjustment. It takes time to accept that professional sport is over because you’re not mixing with the same people. Your lifestyle changes; your income will probably drop significantly.”

As well as preparing players practically and psychologically for retirement, he counsels them on education matters and offers an ear for personal and family dramas bubbling in the background.

“If a player isn’t happy off the pitch, he can’t perform on it,” he says. “Say if a player has split up with the girlfriend and he’s got personal issues that he needs to resolve obviously that’s going to have an impact on his on-field performance. If a player is becoming anxious over the fact that he’s getting to the last year or two of his own career and he’s w

[motastic]

Has the Irish Times been reading the Munsterfans threads this week? smileys/biggrin.gif

[Munsterboy]

Good to see IRUPA keeping pressure on like that though.
They're doing a fine job of making sure the IRFU and the
provinces don't cut corners. The powers that be probably
aren't too happy to see these survey results plastered across
the national papers!

Just to add another bit of perspective, this is the top level of
the game, the overwhelming majority of rugby players around
the world aren't professional, aren't 19stone gorillas etc. It
sounds like the pro game needs its own set of guidelines etc
because the majority of us are still playing the amateur game
into our 40s and in not that few cases 50s.

EO that's completely overlooking the severity of the
collisions nowadays. Bodies aren't designed to take those
huge impacts. Players are dropping at a worrying rate and
it will get worse. Just look at our injury list POC hasn't
started a game in a year. Flannery is in chronic pain with
his back/Calf. The injury lists are getting longer as each
season progresses. Horan, Quinnie, Baz Murphy, Jones,
Earls, Leamy just back after a year out, Dowling, Fogs.


toby what you're saying also ignores what the injuries are.
POC has been out for ages due to a mystery infection, not
a contact injury. Flannery's injuries aren't contact injuries.
BOD has lost a lot of time due to non contact
(hamstring/back) injuries, Leamy has knee issues that
aren't contact they're down to knee movement in the
wrong direction (something that has been happening for
decades). Earls' injuries have been different to impact
injuries as well. I think people are rushing to wave the
everyone's too big flag when there's lots of injuries without
even thinking about whether the injuries are anything to do
with size and impact.

Even Tom Evans is an injury that has happened thousands
of times over the decades in rugby union. He went head
first into someone, IIRC he was actually falling (or tackled)
as it happened. It's not down to someone massive
battering him.

Like I say I think people are too quick to play the too big
card. Especially when you look at the fact that actually two
things apply.

1. These guys are going for all round fitness not bulk, very
few of the top players are the kind of body builders people
think.

2. They LIE. Yes I said that and I'll stick by it, they lie
constantly about their heights and weights. BOD is around
5'9 but you'll see him as anything up to 5'11 over the
years. POC is 6'5 or 6'6 depending on what you look at.
I've seen the same player listed as 18 stone when playing
an international and then his club have him as 17stone
when playing for them. People have been starting threads
about this on forums all over the place. On one I saw they
mentioned Sky salivating over an islander playing in the GP
(as was) being 20 stone - their initial stats. Then they
brought up the usual players bit and had him as 17 stone.
Most of the weights you see mentioned have to be taken
with a bucket load of salt and then some.

Like I say the injuries don't tie in the with "everyone's too
big today" line and the weights you see quoted genuinely
can't be believed.

As an aside, I've seen top players around when at matches
and I wouldn't call most of them monsters by any stretch.
I've played rugby with guys who aren't much smaller and
they're all amateurs. People have got bigger, access to
fitness equipment, fitness work for etc for people generally
have got better. I honestly think people overplay the
current sizes.

For me I'd be more worried about the fact you have the
likes of POC and Flannery coming back after half an AIL
game. That is a bigger issue, rushing players back too
early, not the size of the players.

Guys, it does look bad when seen in
one place but in reality
look at how many big names down the years have ended
their careers this way? Bill Beaumont and Mervyn Davies,
Trevor Ringland, Paul Dean, Simon Geoghegan, I'm sure
we could find more if we looked.

That's one difference, now it's all reported. 20 years ago
I'd never have heard that Daffyd Jones had retired through
injury, now it's on the BBC site.

Another thing to bear in mind when looking at the sizes of
locks - as one person quoted - is natural development.
These guys are professionals not amateurs, like they were
20 years ago, of course they're going to be bigger. Also
they're training is planned to a degree that maximises their
physical development. BUT, don't forget there were guys
like Maurice Colclough in the early 80s who was 6'5 and
17st9. That's the same size as DOC, POC, MOD etc.
Gordon Brown nearly 40 years ago was 6'5 and 17stone
(and his career ended through a series of injuries). As I've
said in answer to this constant thing on here that every
team has a massive lock in it, actually they don't. The
average now is the top end of the range 20-30 years ago
BUT that's not actually that unexpected.

The difference is the power/fitness levels, but then these
guys aren't running into players with fitness levels of 20-30
years ago either.

Realistically contact injuries and wear and tear retirements
have been part of rugby for decades.

The one that deserves attention is concussion and in
particular how many times you hear it mentioned but how
few times you see players sitting out their medical ban for
it.you would have to hope though that medical
science develops at some stage so it will suit the needs of
these players playing in a high powered, big collision
game!!for example, many inuries which would have been
career-ending in soccer 30 years ago are now nowhere
near as serious!!i know the problem in rugby tends to be
more with recurring injuries rather than one off incidents
but you would hope that science is developing ways to
better deal with ways to avoid the recurrences!!i do fully
agree with what you say about concussion though

to me that and the way players are rushed back is the big
worry. We're starting to push these guys too hard. That's
the only time size etc of the players becomes an issue,
when these guys aren't ready to compete again at the top
level.

Have you been pressurised to play while injured?

Yes: 40.4%. No: 57.3%. Non response: 2.2%.


says it all, 40% said yes - that's what someone needs to start
dealing with.

[lactose intolerant]

smileys/shock.gifsmileys/sad.gif

very very alarming results coming out of that survey!!

and 2.2% not responding to the drug free question??

[Tobyglen]

EO that's completely overlooking the severity of the

collisions nowadays. Bodies aren't designed to take those

huge impacts. Players are dropping at a worrying rate and

it will get worse. Just look at our injury list POC hasn't

started a game in a year. Flannery is in chronic pain with

his back/Calf. The injury lists are getting longer as each

season progresses. Horan, Quinnie, Baz Murphy, Jones,

Earls, Leamy just back after a year out, Dowling, Fogs.





toby what you're saying also ignores what the injuries are.

POC has been out for ages due to a mystery infection, not

a contact injury. Flannery's injuries aren't contact injuries.

BOD has lost a lot of time due to non contact

(hamstring/back) injuries, Leamy has knee issues that

aren't contact they're down to knee movement in the

wrong direction (something that has been happening for

decades). Earls' injuries have been different to impact

injuries as well. I think people are rushing to wave the

everyone's too big flag when there's lots of injuries without

even thinking about whether the injuries are anything to do

with size and impact.



Even Tom Evans is an injury that has happened thousands

of times over the decades in rugby union. He went head

first into someone, IIRC he was actually falling (or tackled)

as it happened. It's not down to someone massive

battering him.



Like I say I think people are too quick to play the too big

card. Especially when you look at the fact that actually two

things apply.



1. These guys are going for all round fitness not bulk, very

few of the top players are the kind of body builders people

think.



2. They LIE. Yes I said that and I'll stick by it, they lie

constantly about their heights and weights. BOD is around

5'9 but you'll see him as anything up to 5'11 over the

years. POC is 6'5 or 6'6 depending on what you look at.

I've seen the same player listed as 18 stone when playing

an international and then his club have him as 17stone

when playing for them. People have been starting threads

about this on forums all over the place. On one I saw they

mentioned Sky salivating over an islander playing in the GP

(as was) being 20 stone - their initial stats. Then they

brought up the usual players bit and had him as 17 stone.

Most of the weights you see mentioned have to be taken

with a bucket load of salt and then some.



Like I say the injuries don't tie in the with "everyone's too

big today" line and the weights you see quoted genuinely

can't be believed.



As an aside, I've seen top players around when at matches

and I wouldn't call most of them monsters by any stretch.

I've played rugby with guys who aren't much smaller and

they're all amateurs. People have got bigger, access to

fitness equipment, fitness work for etc for people generally

have got better. I honestly think people overplay the

current sizes.



For me I'd be more worried about the fact you have the

likes of POC and Flannery coming back after half an AIL

game. That is a bigger issue, rushing players back too

early, not the size of the players.
Fla's back injury is directly die to the physical nature of the game. It's as clear as day that players are getting injured for far longer now and the careers are going to get shorter.

[galinka]

Did not realise Pollock had retired - although the medical career might be safer and more profitable option for him.

EO that's completely overlooking the severity of the
collisions nowadays. Bodies aren't designed to take those
huge impacts. Players are dropping at a worrying rate and
it will get worse. Just look at our injury list POC hasn't
started a game in a year. Flannery is in chronic pain with
his back/Calf. The injury lists are getting longer as each
season progresses. Horan, Quinnie, Baz Murphy, Jones,
Earls, Leamy just back after a year out, Dowling, Fogs.


toby what you're saying also ignores what the injuries are.
POC has been out for ages due to a mystery infection, not
a contact injury. Flannery's injuries aren't contact injuries.
BOD has lost a lot of time due to non contact
(hamstring/back) injuries, Leamy has knee issues that
aren't contact they're down to knee movement in the
wrong direction (something that has been happening for
decades). Earls' injuries have been different to impact
injuries as well. I think people are rushing to wave the
everyone's too big flag when there's lots of injuries without
even thinking about whether the injuries are anything to do
with size and impact.

Even Tom Evans is an injury that has happened thousands
of times over the decades in rugby union. He went head
first into someone, IIRC he was actually falling (or tackled)
as it happened. It's not down to someone massive
battering him.

Like I say I think people are too quick to play the too big
card. Especially when you look at the fact that actually two
things apply.

1. These guys are going for all round fitness not bulk, very
few of the top players are the kind of body builders people
think.

2. They LIE. Yes I said that and I'll stick by it, they lie
constantly about their heights and weights. BOD is around
5'9 but you'll see him as anything up to 5'11 over the
years. POC is 6'5 or 6'6 depending on what you look at.
I've seen the same player listed as 18 stone when playing
an international and then his club have him as 17stone
when playing for them. People have been starting threads
about this on forums all over the place. On one I saw they
mentioned Sky salivating over an islander playing in the GP
(as was) being 20 stone - their initial stats. Then they
brought up the usual players bit and had him as 17 stone.
Most of the weights you see mentioned have to be taken
with a bucket load of salt and then some.

Like I say the injuries don't tie in the with "everyone's too
big today" line and the weights you see quoted genuinely
can't be believed.

As an aside, I've seen top players around when at matches
and I wouldn't call most of them monsters by any stretch.
I've played rugby with guys who aren't much smaller and
they're all amateurs. People have got bigger, access to
fitness equipment, fitness work for etc for people generally
have got better. I honestly think people overplay the
current sizes.

For me I'd be more worried about the fact you have the
likes of POC and Flannery coming back after half an AIL
game. That is a bigger issue, rushing players back too
early, not the size of the players.Fla's back injury
is directly die to the physical nature of the game. It's as
clear as day that players are getting injured for far longer
now and the careers are going to get shorter.

Flannery's 32, hardly early end. Also in his case it's
difficult to say it's the wear and tear of high impact
everyone's massive rugby considering he keeps being
rushed back and breaking down again. Same with Leamy,
was h

[banjaxed]

Leinster Rugby can confirm that second-row forward Trevor Hogan has retired from the game with immediate effect due to a knee injury...

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Tipperary native Hogan, 31, attended CBS Nenagh and was capped four times by Ireland over a professional career spanning seven years.
He represented Munster on 57 occasions (scoring one try) before moving to Leinster in the summer of 2006 and was an influential performer in the province’s Magners League (2007/0smileys/cool.gif and Heineken Cup (2008/09) successes.


In all he made 59 Leinster appearances (scoring three tries), though injury curtailed his involvement this season to one game against the Dragons in November, which proved to be his final professional outing.


Trevor Hogan said: "It's been a tough battle over the last couple of seasons with my injury but after my last game (against the Dragons in November) the problem worsened to the point where I couldn't continue.


“It is never an easy thing to accept but I'm thankful for all the support from my teammates and the medical, management and coaching staff at Leinster, as well as Dr. Ray Moran who has helped me greatly over the past few years.


“It was an honour to play for Leinster over the last number of years and I would like to thank all the supporters for their backing over my career.”


Leinster Chief Executive Mick Dawson added: “It is always a sad day when professional players call a premature end to their careers, but Trevor can reflect on a successful career in the blue of Leinster, red of Munster and green of Ireland with real pride.


“Trevor was a mainstay of the Leinster pack but his recent involvement was curtailed due to injury. Even in adversity he displayed great courage and mental strength to recover from several setbacks to force his way back into the team.


“A committed, intelligent performer, Trevor played an important role in the province’s recent success and he has made a telling contribution to the game of rugby in Ireland. We wish him and his family well as he begins a new chapter in his life and would like to thank him for all his efforts over the last few years.”

[lahinch_lass]

Just to add another bit of perspective, this is the top level of

the game, the overwhelming majority of rugby players around

the world aren't professional, aren't 19stone gorillas etc. It

sounds like the pro game needs its own set of guidelines etc

because the majority of us are still playing the amateur game

into our 40s and in not that few cases 50s.

I know a player who got pretty much the same injury as Thom Evans and he was playing AIL, and like Evans he was lucky enough to recover but won't ever play rugby again.

So claiming these sort of injury concerns only affect the pro game is nonsense, it affects the amatures as well, just ask Stuart Mangan's family as the most recent amature player from ireland to pay the ultimate price for playing rugby.

There is a concerted effort in NFL to to design a helmet that will reduce the risk of concussion .. perhaps some more concerted efforts should be put-in by the IRB to see what can be done. The latest clarification on the tackling laws is a first step, but AFAIK there hasn't been any recent spinal injuries as a result of those sort of dump/spear tackles. The change in scrum laws was supposed to help with injuries to forwards, but I suspect the majority of injuries these days are coming from one on one or 2 on one tackles with either the tackler or attacker ending up busted.

Could the pro teams start tracking the sources of injuries to their players - what caused the injury ?.. they do enough video analysis already that they should be able to capture the relevant video.

Just to add another bit of perspective,
this is the top level of
the game, the overwhelming majority of rugby players
around
the world aren't professional, aren't 19stone gorillas etc. It
sounds like the pro game needs its own set of guidelines
etc
because the majority of us are still playing the amateur
game
into our 40s and in not that few cases 50s. I know
a player who got pretty much the same injury as Thom
Evans and he was playing AIL, and like Evans he was lucky
enough to recover but won't ever play rugby again.So
claiming these sort of injury concerns only affect the pro
game is nonsense, it affects the amatures as well, just ask
Stuart Mangan's family as the most recent amature player
from ireland to pay the ultimate price for playing
rugby.There is a concerted effort in NFL to to design a
helmet that will reduce the risk of concussion .. perhaps
some more concerted efforts should be put-in by the IRB to
see what can be done.* The latest clarification on the
tackling laws is a first step, but AFAIK there hasn't been
any recent spinal injuries as a result of those sort of
dump/spear tackles.** The change in scrum laws was
supposed to help with injuries to forwards, but I suspect
the majority of injuries these days are coming from one on
one or 2 on one tackles with either the tackler or attacker
ending up busted.Could the pro teams start tracking the
sources of injuries to their players - what caused the injury
?.. they do enough video analysis already that they should
be able to capture the relevant video.

Actually I didn't say these kind of injuries only effect the
pro game. I said totally the opposite, I said injuries like his
have happened hundreds of times over the years
regardless of what level you play.

My comment about the pro game was that if people think
the size of players is an issue then that's limited to the pro
game and as I've said repeatedly the pro game may be the
shop window but it's not what 90% of us are playing. So if
people are saying the impacts are an issue then that
suggests the pro game has different concerns.

[markcaver]

John Fogarty (Leinster) brother of Denis announced his retirement in November 2010 due to a concussion.

[banjaxed]

I hear Ben Blair could be about to hang up the boots as well cos of a persistant problem

[LuckyDucker]

how is it before the average rugby players career is the same as the average NFL's player career (3 years)

Interesting article from Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2281515)


The National Brain-Damage League</span>
The epidemic of head injuries in football is even worse than you thought.
By Shankar Vedantam
Tuesday, Jan. 18, 2011

In collisions, "G" is a unit equal to the force of gravity. A low-speed rear-end crash causes an impact of 10G to 30G. A high-flying soccer ball lands on your head with a force of around 20G. Then there's the high-school football player who, according to a recent evaluation by Purdue researchers, received a blow to the head during a game that carried a force of 289G—nearly 300 times the force of gravity.

The scary thing about the hit was not the size of the impact. It was that the young man had no visible symptoms of a concussion.

Newfound concern about the wellbeing of football players has focused on the tip of a very large iceberg. Parents, schools, and athletes worry that thousands of amateurs each year may be suffering head injuries similar to the ones that make us gasp during NFL games. But there's a worse possibility: The most serious brain injuries at all levels of the sport are going completely undiagnosed and undetected. It gives me no pleasure to say this. I am a fan who eagerly awaits game day and the ultimate redemption of my long-suffering team.

Today we worry more about high-impact strikes to the head than about repetitive blows of moderate intensity. We think the only players who suffer brain injuries during collisions are the ones who later look dazed, or who can't keep their balance, or who suffer from slurred speech and vision.

The Purdue research changes all that. Many brain injuries suffered by football players do not produce the "shell-shock" symptoms we associate with concussions. The damage caused by these hits is just as evident when you study players in brain scanners or give them tests that measure sophisticated aspects of brain functioning, but are not picked up by trainers on the sidelines.

The finding about a new group of brain injuries came about, like many discoveries, by accident. Purdue biomedical engineering professor Eric Nauman and his colleagues were studying garden-variety concussions among high-schoolers—hits similar to this one and this one and this one during NFL games.

Nauman and his colleagues wanted to compare changes in the brains of football players who had suffered concussions with the "normal" brains of football players who were concussion-free. But when they scanned the concussion-free players a few weeks into the season and compared these pictures to the same players' preseason scans, they found that many had long-lasting brain changes.

"At first we thought our scanner was broken," Nauman said during a recent presentation of his findings to a group of journalists. "Then we realized this was a new group of impaired players."

Nauman calculates there are about 1 million high-school football players in any given year in the United States. There are some 67,000 reported concussions, and probably about as many that go unreported because fans, coaches, and parents don't want a star athlete pulled from a game. But among the supposedly injury-free remainder, the Purdue researchers believe tens of thousands of athletes routinely suffer serious brain injuries from high-impact collisions intrinsic to the game.

Some of the high-schoolers Nauman studied suffered about 150 head impacts per week during the season, or about 1,500 impacts per year. On average, the hits carried a force of around 40G. (The force of impacts is measured by sensors within helmets.) These hits did not knock players out, but they caused systematic changes in their brain functioning. Unlike the violent helmet-to-helmet collisions in the open field that have drawn warnings and suspensions from the NFL,

[lahinch_lass]

Latest addition to the injruee retiree's:
Former Wales forward Nathan Budgett has been forced into retirement after failing to overcome an ankle injury, his club Bristol have confirmed</span>.

The former Ebbw Vale, Bridgend, Celtic Warriors and Cardiff Blues man, who could play at lock or in the back row, has not featured for the west country club so far this term having suffered his ankle injury in last season's play-off semi-final win over London Welsh.

The 35-year-old</span> will join Bristol's strength and conditioning team until the end of the season, as well as assisting forwards coach Matt Salter.

Bristol head coach Paul Hull said: "Nathan has suffered a series of setbacks in his bid to regain full fitness, and following his second operation, the surgeon has advised him that he would not be able to play rugby again.

"Everybody at the club would like to thank Nathan for his contribution to Bristol Rugby over the last five years."

Budgett was capped 12 times by his country between 2000 and 2002, beginning and ending his Test career with Millennium Stadium meetings with Scotland.

He joined Bristol in 2005, making 95 appearances.

[lahinch_lass]

Another young player forced out of the game - story from Planet rugby (http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_6839446,00.html)
24-year old Ospreys openside flank Ben Lewis has been forced to hang up his boots due to a serious neck injury.

Six months after suffering a neck injury in the Ospreys' win over Aironi at the Liberty Stadium, the young flank has been advised to retire after consulting with medical specialists.

"This decision stems from a neck injury he sustained in September, following which, he committed himself to an intensive rehab programme with a view to returning to rugby," said Chris Towers, Head Physio at the Ospreys.

"Despite satisfying all the physical objectives, on his return to rugby in February, to play in the Premiership for Swansea, he suffered subsequent symptoms, happily with no residual issues. However, the nature of the symptoms are such that regrettably it is in his best interests to follow the medical advice he has received."

Capped by Wales at all the age-grade levels, Swansea born Lewis came through the ranks at Mumbles and Swansea before he made his Ospreys debut against Leinster at Donnybrook in January 2007, with his first start coming in September that year, during the Rugby World Cup, against the Scarlets at the Liberty Stadium. A highly rated player, he made 24 Ospreys appearances in total, scoring three tries.

"After speaking to the specialists, I've come to a decision which is the right one for me personally. Regrettably, this means that I have to give up rugby, but some things in life are more important than the game, life will still go on for me," said Lewis.

[John123]

Tom Shanklin's touch and go apparently, shame if he has to super player.

[LeakyBoots]

Was John123 binned?

Why?

[Munsterboy]

That avatar? smileys/lol.gif

[lahinch_lass]

From Emerald Rugby (http://www.emeraldrugby.com/News/Ireland-News/Young-Irish-lock-forced-to-retire.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twit ter)
The Ospreys regret to confirm that second row Conor McInerney</span> is to retire from rugby with immediate effect. The 24-year old former Ireland U20 lock</span> has been troubled by a knee problem that has deteriorated to a point where he is unable to continue playing.



Ospreys Head Physio, Chris Towers, confirmed:

“Conor has unfortunately been troubled by persisting problems with the articular cartilage of his right knee and unfortunately, it has not proven possible to overcome the problem.

“Despite continued hard work on his part and continued efforts to look after and preserve the knee he has not been able to cope with a full training load and we have had to withdraw him from training and playing following his last appearance in November against Connacht.

“Since then, we have conducted repeated investigations and specialist tests as well as consulting with several specialists to discuss and exhaust all the possible management and treatment options available to Conor. Unfortunately the consensus of opinion is that there are no options available that would allow Conor to continue with a career in professional rugby.”

Having signed from Leinster in the summer of 2009, he was restricted to just one Ospreys appearance off the bench during his first season, against Leeds at the Liberty Stadium. This season he managed an additional four appearances, three of them starts, the first of which came against away to Newcastle.

Speaking about his decision to hang up his boots, McInerney said:

“Unfortunately I have been advised that I can no longer pursue a career in professional rugby. Whilst this is extremely disappointing news for any player to hear, I feel very fortunate to have been given an opportunity to make a living in the sport that I love in the first place. The disappointment is lessened somewhat by the fact that it is the right decision for my body.

“I am very thankful for the support and belief the Ospreys have shown in me since I signed two years ago, I feel incredibly fortunate to have shared this brief spell with such a great bunch of guys. I need to say a special thank you to the medical department at the Ospreys who I ended up getting to know probably a lot better than I would have liked, in particular Towers, Brían (Physios) and Pembo (Doctor). I would also like to take this opportunity to thank my parents, friends and girlfriend who have supported me all the way through my journey in professional rugby.

“I’m now looking forward to achieving new goals and meeting new challenges in a different arena in the years to come. I wish everyone in Ospreylia the very best of luck into the future.”

Elite Performance Director, Andrew Hore, said:

“As was the case with Ben Lewis earlier this week, it is incredibly sad when a young player is forced to call time prematurely on his career. In Conor’s case, we brought him to the region ahead of the 2009/10 season having identified him as an outstanding prospect with the desire and characteristics to be an Osprey.
“While his injury has prevented him from showing us fully what he was capable of, he has managed to make a big impact within the environment and will be sorely missed. The appearances he has made in an Ospreys shirt showed exactly why we signed him, it’s just a real pity that we won’t get to see him build on those performances.

“Conor is a particularly strong individual with excellent leadership skills, he is intelligent and is currently completing the final stages of a university course, all of which should help ensure that he has a bright future ahead of him off the field. He has a number of options available to him at the moment, and whatever he chooses, we wish him the very best of luck. He will leave the Ospreys knowing th

[lahinch_lass]

May as well add our own dowls to this thread -


Dowling Forced To Call It A Day
5 April 2011, 1:12 pm
By Pat Geraghty



Following extensive medical consultation, Munster regretfully
announce that Ian Dowling will retire from professional rugby, as a
result of a hip injury sustained earlier in the season. </span>



Dowling (28 )suffered a hip injury in the game against Ospreys last September.
In
the course of a career that started in September 2005, the Kilkenny
native won 97 competitive caps and played in both the 2006 and 2008
Heineken Cup finals and won a Magners League medal in 2009.. He would
have added greatly to that final total but for injury in 2007 and last
season when he was stretchered off in the Heineken Cup quarter final
game against Northampton at Thomond Park Stadium.


It was a knee injury on that occasion that forced him to miss the
rest of the season and he was only playing in his third competitive game
that September day when he sustained the hip injury, four minutes into
the game, that would ultimately end his career.


The hugely popular member of the squad made his debut in the Magners
League game against Lllanelli Scarlets in Musgrave Park and ended his
first season with 15 caps and a Heineken Cup winners medal having played
in the quarter, semi and final of that competition.


A try scorer in the 2008 quarter final win over Gloucester at
Kingsholm he won his second Heineken Cup medal lining out on the wing
against Toulouse and a year later won the first of his two international
caps against Canada on Ireland's summer tour of North America.


Dowling informed his teammates of his decision ahead of training in
CIT this morning and afterwards although admitting he was "gutted" to be
ending his career spoke more of the highlights of his six seasons with
Munster. "It's been a fabulous experience. I've made some great friends
and take with me really great memories, the two Heineken Cup wins
obviously the highlights. But besides that, I've had wonderful times
with Munster."

[Tobyglen]

Frightening list, you get the feeling that if Ferris/Flannery weren't such fantastic players that he would be considering retireing aswell.

[lahinch_lass]

Frightening list, you get the feeling that if Ferris/Flannery weren't such fantastic players that he would be considering retireing aswell.

Dowling was going to various specialists and trying to re-hab his injury up to very very recently, though from comments John Kelly made quite some time ago I think the writing was pretty much on the wall for quite some time.

Ferris at least they know what his problem is, it's just a case of re-habbing it and hoping it won't break down again.
Flannery's is quite different, AFAIK the main problem in his case is that the under-lying cause of the calf-injuries wasn't known and that the calf injuries were a symptom rather than the actual problem. I don't know if his recent surgery is because they've finally figured out the underlying issue, or if it's been another guess or possible "work-around" as we'd say in the tech world.

[Grandpasimpson]

There seesm to be a lot of hip injuries lately with a few GAA players retiring due to hip problems too, wonder is there any link between them all as there seems to be more than normal?

[lahinch_lass]

This one is a bit different. It doesn't seem to be retirement due to 1 specific injury, rather a wearing down of the will to of the player:
From Magners League site (http://www.magnersleague.com/news/7589.php)
Edinburgh's departing fly-half David Blair insists now is the right time for a substantial change in career path.</span>
Despite featuring in 15 of Edinburgh's Magners League matches and playing the full 80 minutes on 13 occasions this term, the 25-year-old will hang up his boots and enter into a teaching degree later this year.

Blair's decision to conclude his time in professional rugby at the end of this season may come as a shock to outsiders but it is a move he had come close to deciding upon almost 12 months ago.

And while he is as yet undecided whether he will start his studies at Loughborough or Stirling University, he is sure of one thing: that his decision to quit rugby is the right one.

"I have a lot to be thankful for - the tough times and the good times - but that's a great experience for life. It's time for a change now," said Blair.

"It's been a tremendous privilege to be part of this environment, and I've met some great people along the way.

"The time has come to open a different chapter, but I look forward to keeping in touch with the coaches and teammates who I've worked alongside."

But while Blair departs Scotland's capital city outfit on good terms, the decision to move on may never have been one he looked to make had he been blessed with better fortune over recent years.

Built up as one of Scotland's best young talents, Blair was tipped to follow his elder brother Mike into the senior Scotland ranks.
His record points-scoring exploits for Scotland U21s brought plenty of attention, as did a promising start to his professional career with English outfit Sale Sharks.

But a series of injuries and a lack of game time both in England and Scotland prior to this season eventually led Blair to decide that his future will be best served as a teacher rather than a rugby player.

"I remember playing and beating England U21s, a team including Toby Flood and Ben Foden. I played against a number of stand-offs coming through the age groups - Jonny Sexton, Lionel Beauxis and James Hook - and watched them develop," Blair told The Scotsman.

"Going from the U21s level up, they seemed to play every single week and get real opportunities to develop their game, while I got just a few appearances off the bench for the last 10 minutes in games.

"It wasn't easy at Sale because I was behind Charlie Hodgson and when he was injured and I was given my chance, Gloucester No8 James Forrester broke a small bone in my back when he fell on me with his knee, and that was me out for five months.

"I came to Edinburgh hoping I would be able to develop there with more game-time, and in my first season I started five games on the trot, but then ripped open my hand when a ball hit me between the pinkie and next finger, and was out for a few months.

"It has been frustrating, like revising for an exam, but never being allowed to sit it. You just feel there is a lot of wasted energy and time and with rugby being my life there were times when it ground you down."

[isola ciarrai]

Met Woodie a while back. He has a lot of physical consequences from his career,
and especially the manner in which he played. Drives a jeep/SUV because if he
gets down into an ordinary car seat, with difficulty, needs help getting outbut he
can slide in and out of the elevated seat in the SUV. Finds it hard, if not quite
impossible, to raise his arms up beyond the shoulder level. Has ongoing back
problems. And believe me, it was not a whinge, merely an observation he made.

[lahinch_lass]

From Planet Rugby: (http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_6868852,00.html)
A serious neck injury has caused Bath prop David Barnes</span> to cut his career short.

Barnes, who has been chairman of the Rugby Players Association since 2005, has been capped 266 times by Bath during his 11-years at the Recreation Ground.

However, the former England Saxons captain has now been forced to retire on the basis of medical advice having injured his neck.

"I have immensely enjoyed my rugby career and especially the time that I have spent at Bath," said Barnes.

"I was looking forward to fulfilling my playing contract with Bath till the end of next season, however after consultation with a medical specialist I have been advised that it is no longer possible for me to continue to play. Whilst it is extremely upsetting to be forced to end my playing career prematurely, I feel extremely fortunate to have been able to have run out at the Rec for the last 11 seasons and to have played alongside many great players in some truly memorable matches.

"I would like to thank everyone at Bath; the players, the coaches, the medical teams and all the staff, for making my time so enjoyable and especially the many supporters who ensure Bath remains a truly special club to be associated with," he added.
Bath Director of Rugby Sir Ian McGeechan praised Barnes' contribution both on and off the field.

"It is always sad when a player has to retire due to injury, especially one of David's calibre," said McGeechan.

"He is not only a very good player on the pitch, but he adds many things to the Bath squad off the pitch, which we will miss next season. We would like to wish him well with all his future endeavours, and thank him for the many games he has played in the blue, black and white."

[monsieurlabite]

Connacht Rugby regret to confirm that scrum-half Conor
O’Loughlin is being forced to retire from rugby through
injury.
The 28-year old former Ireland U21 scrum-half has been
troubled with a hip injury that has curtailed his involvement
with the Province this season.
Conor was part of Michael Bradley’s 2002/03 Irish U21 side
alongside Connacht team-mates John Muldoon and Keith
Matthews. He was awarded his first Connacht contract
following the U21 World Cup:
“I was studying Business Information Systems in Cork
when Brads (Michael Bradley) called me and offered me a
full time contract so I jumped at the opportunity. I
transferred the course to NUIG and finished it here in
Galway.”
Conor’s first game for Connacht was against London Irish
in August ‘03 and he scored his first try later that week
against a star-studded Munster team that boasted the likes
of Keith Wood, Paul O’Connell and Peter Stringer. His first
competitive game was against the Cardiff Blues playing
alongside Eric Elwood, Michael Swift and Tim Allnutt and he
went on to earn 22 caps that season.
A shoulder injury sustained against Montpellier sidelined
the Athlone-man for a number of months in ’04 but he
recovered well and consistent form and regular game-time
with Connacht earned a cap for Ireland ‘A’ against the
England Saxons.
“I’ve played in some great matches over the years, playing
Harlequins in the Sportsground in the Parker Pen Challenge
Cup in ’04 was special. That was my first time playing in
front of such a huge home crowd and the atmosphere was
amazing. Representing my country for Ireland ‘A’ was
another proud occasion for me”
With 97 caps to his name O’Loughlin is one of Connacht’s
longest serving players
“Growing up in Connacht, playing underage, you have a lot
of loyalty to the Province and over the years you grow
more and more attached to it. Working with Brads was
great; he really helped develop my game and was
probably the biggest influence in my rugby career. I’ve
really enjoyed the last couple of years here; the
camaraderie in the squad is fantastic and Eric (Elwood) and
his management team are doing some great work with the
lads and they’re definitely going places.”
Conor sustained an injury to his hip in December 2006
against Montpellier and consequently his hip has
deteriorated to a point where he can no longer play rugby
“I’ve exhausted every medical avenue at this stage and
I’ve been advised that I can no longer continue my career
as a professional rugby player. It’s taken me a while to get
my head around it but everyone’s been really helpful and
supportive, especially my family and friends, and I’m very
grateful to them for that.”
“Rugby’s been my life for the last 8 years so I’m going to
have to look at my options now, I’ve completed a Masters
of Finance, my CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) Level 1
exam and I’m sitting the Level 2 in June so there are
options there for me in a role outside of rugby. I’ve no
regrets at all; I’ve been living the dream for the last 8
years and I’m sure I’ll come back to it at some stage in
some form or another but for now I’m looking forward to
the challenge of something different”
Connacht Head Coach Eric Elwood spoke about the news:
“We’re all very disappointed that Conor can no longer play,
he’s been a great servant to Connacht Rugby over the
years and will be a massive loss to the club. The manner in
which Conor has dealt with his injury is remarkable and it is
a huge shame that Connacht are losing a home-grown
player of his talents. Conor has shown great loyalty to
Connacht and it’s sad to see such a successful career cut
short

[Muircheartaigh]

This is a frightening thread.

[The Outlaw]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year

[Tobyglen]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at the us &amp; England, they are a bigger team.

[The Outlaw]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at the us &amp; England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional contract anywhere.

[Tobyglen]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at the us &amp; England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional contract anywhere.





WC have always been boring..cough Habana. Your statement is ludicrous. Skill is what sets players apart. Leicester were the bigger team yet because of the skills of Nacewa Leinster won.


What height is Domingo, Brussow...smileys/lol.gifSerious spoofing there.

[The Outlaw]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at the us &amp; England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional contract anywhere.





WC have always been boring..cough Habana. Your statement is ludicrous. Skill is what sets players apart. Leicester were the bigger team yet because of the skills of Nacewa Leinster won.





You wouldnt agree then that some players are selected because they are bigger then others? For example Conrad Smith wont start for NZat the business of the WCbecause Sonny Bill Williams is bigger.

[Cowboy]

As long as we insist on players
getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per
season. Skill level is being made more redundant every
year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at
the us & England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we
see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from
this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional
contract anywhere.





WC have always been boring..cough Habana. Your
statement is ludicrous. Skill is what sets players apart.
Leicester were the bigger team yet because of the skills of
Nacewa Leinster won.


What height is Domingo, Brussow...smileys/lol.gif*Serious spoofing
there.

Or the ROG for that matter, all he has is his skill and his
heart, he's a tiny man

[Tobyglen]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at the us &amp; England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional contract anywhere.





WC have always been boring..cough Habana. Your statement is ludicrous. Skill is what sets players apart. Leicester were the bigger team yet because of the skills of Nacewa Leinster won.





You wouldnt agree then that some players are selected because they are bigger then others? For example Conrad Smith wont start for NZat the business of the WCbecause Sonny Bill Williams is bigger.





Jesus christ...SBW plays 12, Conrad Smith plays 13...Look forget it.

[Cowboy]

As long as we insist on players
getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per
season. Skill level is being made more redundant every
year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at
the us & England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we
see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from
this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional
contract anywhere.





WC have always been boring..cough Habana. Your
statement is ludicrous. Skill is what sets players apart.
Leicester were the bigger team yet because of the skills of
Nacewa Leinster won.





You wouldnt agree then that some players are selected
because they are bigger then others? For example Conrad
Smith wont start for NZ*at the business of the WC*because
Sonny Bill Williams is bigger.

I'd say smith will start Outlaw, he keeps everything ticking
over in that backline. Great defensive operator too, he's
like a Drico without the bulk and the ability to also be a
flanker.

[The Outlaw]

As long as we insist on players getting bigger and bigger. It will be a 20 page thread per season. Skill level is being made more redundant every year


Nonsense, skill level is what sets players apart. Look at the us &amp; England, they are a bigger team.





See much skill in the Aviva last week? How much did we see in the 2007 WC?


Not a lot. If you're not 6ft 2 and at least 14 stone from this point onwards you are unlikely to get a professional contract anywhere.





WC have always been boring..cough Habana. Your statement is ludicrous. Skill is what sets players apart. Leicester were the bigger team yet because of the skills of Nacewa Leinster won.





You wouldnt agree then that some players are selected because they are bigger then others? For example Conrad Smith wont start for NZat the business of the WCbecause Sonny Bill Williams is bigger.





Jesus christ...SBW plays 12, Conrad Smith plays 13...Look forget it.





Yeah and Nonu will be 13 when he should be at 12.- whats the weight differential again?Your point is?

[Tobyglen]

There both 12's. Nonu is a 12, SBW is a 12.


Enough of the spoofing so, only way to quieten you to to take your money again. Fancy a bet on whether Nonu or Smith will be 13 at the world cup?

[Tobyglen]

He ran off when he seen the bet..smileys/lol.gif

[Cowboy]

Plenty small-ie's playing in the modern game.

I dont think they'll rip up the selection book when it comes to
the Kiwi midfield either Toby. Smith seems to be most
apparent when NZ find themselves under pressure. He turns
up in the right place at the right time (very Foley-esque
actually) and always seems to have buckets of time. They
have a settled side now and I dont think they'll tinker too
much with it.

[Tobyglen]

BOD, Matt Banahan. Numberous examples.

[rathbaner]

Mentioned already earlier but a worth carrying all the same.

Injury-hit O’Loughlin calls it quits at Connacht
By Terry Reilly

Thursday, April 14, 2011

ANOTHER Irish rugby player has been forced to retire because of injury.

Connacht’s scrum-half Conor O’Loughlin has had to quit the game with a hip injury, a week after Munster’s Ian Dowling’s medically-ordered retirement.


The westerner sustained an injury to his hip in December 2006 against Montpellier.

"I’ve exhausted every medical avenue at this stage and I’ve been advised that I can no longer continue my career as a professional rugby player," he said.

"It’s taken me a while to get my head around it but everyone’s been really helpful and supportive, especially my family and friends, and I’m very grateful to them for that."

But, just like Dowling, he has an education to fall back on.

"Rugby’s been my life for the last eight years so I’m going to have to look at my options now, I’ve completed a Masters of Finance, my CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) level one exam and I’m sitting the level two in June.

"I’ve no regrets at all. I’ve been living the dream for the last eight years and I’m sure I’ll come back to it at some stage in some form or another but for now I’m looking forward to the challenge."

Conor made his debut against London Irish in August ‘03 and scored his first try later that week against a star-studded Munster team that boasted Keith Wood and Paul O’Connell.

"I’ve played in some great matches over the years, playing Harlequins in the Sportsground in the Parker Pen Challenge Cup in ‘04 was special. That was my first time playing in front of such a huge home crowd and the atmosphere was amazing."

Connacht head coach Eric Elwood said losing a Connacht-born player was a disappointment.

"We’re all very disappointed that Conor can no longer play," he said. "He’s been a great servant to Connacht rugby over the years and will be a massive loss to the club. The manner in which Conor has dealt with his injury is remarkable and it is a huge shame that Connacht are losing a home-grown player of his talents."


This appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Thursday, April 14, 2011


Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/rugby/injury-hit-oloughlin-call s-it-quits-at-connacht-151443.html#ixzz1JW3JU8Re

[The Outlaw]

He ran off when he seen the bet..smileys/lol.gif


name your price

[Tobyglen]

He ran off when he seen the bet..smileys/lol.gif


name your price


Straight bet, one man's opinion against another. €50

[The Outlaw]

grand

[Tobyglen]

grand


Who'll ever start in the first game against Tonga @13. You say Nonu, I say Conrad Smith. Bet void if nether are starting at 13.

[scotscor]

grandjaysus thats a bit rich for this site

[bazzyg]

grand


Who'll ever start in the first game against Tonga @13. You say Nonu, I say Conrad Smith. Bet void if nether are starting at 13.





better stick in an injury clause there also,


I'd put my house on them both starting, young Sonny still has work to do, Smith is the calm World cup winner in their team.

[garryowen2323]

grand


Who'll ever start in the first game against Tonga @13. You say Nonu, I say Conrad Smith. Bet void if nether are starting at 13.





better stick in an injury clause there also,


I'd put my house on them both starting, young Sonny still has work to do, Smith is the calm World cup winner in their team.





Agreed. I think it will be Nonu at 12 and Smith 13 for their first game. Then Sonny Bill will play against Samoa. Smith will be the 13.

[Grandpasimpson]

Mentioned already earlier but a worth carrying all the same.

Injury-hit O’Loughlin calls it quits at Connacht
By Terry Reilly

Thursday, April 14, 2011

ANOTHER Irish rugby player has been forced to retire because of injury.

Connacht’s scrum-half Conor O’Loughlin has had to quit the game with a hip injury, a week after Munster’s Ian Dowling’s medically-ordered retirement.


The westerner sustained an injury to his hip in December 2006 against Montpellier.

"I’ve exhausted every medical avenue at this stage and I’ve been advised that I can no longer continue my career as a professional rugby player," he said.

"It’s taken me a while to get my head around it but everyone’s been really helpful and supportive, especially my family and friends, and I’m very grateful to them for that."

But, just like Dowling, he has an education to fall back on.

"Rugby’s been my life for the last eight years so I’m going to have to look at my options now, I’ve completed a Masters of Finance, my CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) level one exam and I’m sitting the level two in June.

"I’ve no regrets at all. I’ve been living the dream for the last eight years and I’m sure I’ll come back to it at some stage in some form or another but for now I’m looking forward to the challenge."

Conor made his debut against London Irish in August ‘03 and scored his first try later that week against a star-studded Munster team that boasted Keith Wood and Paul O’Connell.

"I’ve played in some great matches over the years, playing Harlequins in the Sportsground in the Parker Pen Challenge Cup in ‘04 was special. That was my first time playing in front of such a huge home crowd and the atmosphere was amazing."

Connacht head coach Eric Elwood said losing a Connacht-born player was a disappointment.

"We’re all very disappointed that Conor can no longer play," he said. "He’s been a great servant to Connacht rugby over the years and will be a massive loss to the club. The manner in which Conor has dealt with his injury is remarkable and it is a huge shame that Connacht are losing a home-grown player of his talents."


This appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Thursday, April 14, 2011


Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/rugby/injury-hit-oloughlin-call s-it-quits-at-connacht-151443.html#ixzz1JW3JU8Re



Along with Skinny and David Polock of Ulster thats 3 retirements due to hip injuries since Christmas smileys/shock.gif

[Charco]

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_uni&#111;n/welsh/12899283.stm)

Cardiff Blues centre Tom Shanklin's career is over after he failed to recover from a
knee injury.

The 2005 and 2008 Wales Grand Slam winner underwent surgery in January, having
suffered previous knee problems.

But the 2005 British and Irish Lion in New Zealand has been forced to admit defeat
in his battle for fitness.

Shanklin, 31, had hoped to return, but concedes: "I had an operation in January to
see if we could fix the problem and it hasn't worked."

Shanklin played throughout the 2010 autumn series for Wales, but his season came
to a sudden halt in early January after pulling up in a Magners League match against
Aironi.

Scans revealed the severity of the injury, forcing Shanklin, whose career has been
blighted by knee problems, to go under the surgeon's knife once again.

Shanklin, who missed the 2009 Lions tour to world champions South Africa because
of a shoulder injury, scored 20 tries in his 70 Wales caps since his international
debut in Japan in 2001.

He joined the Blues from English side Saracens in 2003 and claimed 28 touchdowns
in 114 appearances for the Welsh region.

Shanklin added: "My knee isn't too bad, it's ok to walk and cycle and to do everyday
things, but with regards to playing rugby: accelerating, changing direction, weight
lifting, it's not too good.

It isn't a shock, and I've come to terms that I'll never play again. "I had an
operation in January to see if we could fix the problem and it hasn't worked.

"It's bone on bone on my knee which has restricted me from doing a lot of things
and I'm going to have to retire from the game.

"The advice from Rhys Williams the surgeon was to retire. Rhys knows the inside of
my knee pretty well having done three or four operations on it.

"It was down to me to decide if I can continue or not, but I can't go on, as it's too
sore and it's a pretty black and white situation.

"I can't fully function with it and I need to start taking account of my body and start
listening to it.

"I'd like to thank not only Rhys for all his work, but all the Blues medical team who
have been excellent in all they have done to keep me on the field for this long.

"I've had a history with a bad knee, but since 2005 it hasn't really troubled me. I've
managed to carry on and continue until I injured it again January. I was aware at
the time that it could end my career.

"A lot of the decision on whether I would retire was down to how my knee would
recover and how I felt.

"I've now had time to take it on board, so it isn't a shock, and I've come to terms
that I'll never play again.

"This summer I will be definitely spending more time at home with the family and
enjoying my weekends.

"I'll still be watching the Blues and Wales but I'll be able to relax and maybe have a
beer or two and watch some games with my mates.

"After that I'll be looking to get a job in the real world, which is a little bit daunting,
but happens to all rugby players after they finish."
____________________________________

Sad to see another big name go smileys/sad.gif

[Captain-Hero]

Just saw it. Good luck to him. Unfortunate for the guy.

[Buceph]

Has the amount of high-profile player's forced to retire because of injury over the past year or so been insanely high? Maybe I just didn't pay attention before but it seems like the number is massive.

[lahinch_lass]

Has the amount of high-profile player's forced to retire because of injury over the past year or so been insanely high? Maybe I just didn't pay attention before but it seems like the number is massive.


It certainly seems to be a lot higher than I can remember ever seeing before. But that could also be down to the internet age and all rugby players having a higher profile than ever before.

It might also be that there's a lot more coverage of it since the Thom Evans injury in one of the biggest rugby tournaments last year just highlighted it at the highest level.

Emerald Rugby have a piece up on their site about players getting personal injury insurance and planning in case of career ending injury, or just being out for an extended period without their normal pay.

Mentioned already earlier but a* worth
carrying all the same.Injury-hit O’Loughlin calls it quits at
ConnachtBy Terry ReillyThursday, April 14, 2011ANOTHER
Irish rugby player has been forced to retire because of
injury.Connacht’s scrum-half Conor O’Loughlin has had to
quit the game with a hip injury, a week after Munster’s Ian
Dowling’s medically-ordered retirement. The westerner
sustained an injury to his hip in December 2006 against
Montpellier. "I’ve exhausted every medical avenue at this
stage and I’ve been advised that I can no longer continue
my career as a professional rugby player," he said. "It’s
taken me a while to get my head around it but everyone’s
been really helpful and supportive, especially my family and
friends, and I’m very grateful to them for that." But, just
like Dowling, he has an education to fall back on. "Rugby’s
been my life for the last eight years so I’m going to have to
look at my options now, I’ve completed a Masters of
Finance, my CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) level one
exam and I’m sitting the level two in June. "I’ve no regrets
at all. I’ve been living the dream for the last eight years
and I’m sure I’ll come back to it at some stage in some form
or another but for now I’m looking forward to the
challenge." Conor made his debut against London Irish in
August ‘03 and scored his first try later that week against a
star-studded Munster team that boasted Keith Wood and
Paul O’Connell. "I’ve played in some great matches over the
years, playing Harlequins in the Sportsground in the Parker
Pen Challenge Cup in ‘04 was special. That was my first
time playing in front of such a huge home crowd and the
atmosphere was amazing." Connacht head coach Eric
Elwood said losing a Connacht-born player was a
disappointment. "We’re all very disappointed that Conor can
no longer play," he said. "He’s been a great servant to
Connacht rugby over the years and will be a massive loss
to the club. The manner in which Conor has dealt with his
injury is remarkable and it is a huge shame that Connacht
are losing a home-grown player of his talents."*This
appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner
Thursday, April 14, 2011Read more:
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/rugby/injury-hit-oloughlin-
call s-it-quits-at-connacht-151443.html#ixzz1JW3JU8Re



Along with Skinny and David Polock of Ulster thats 3
retirements due to hip injuries since Christmas smileys/shock.gif


good young player whose career, IMHO, was nicely f**ked
up by Bradley

Has the amount of high-profile player's
forced to retire because of injury over the past year or so
been insanely high? Maybe I just didn't pay attention
before but it seems like the number is massive.

It certainly seems to be a lot higher than I can
remember ever seeing before.* But that could also be down
to the internet age and all rugby players having a higher
profile than ever before.It might also be that there's a lot
more coverage of it since the Thom Evans injury in one of
the biggest rugby tournaments last year just highlighted it
at the highest level.Emerald Rugby have a piece up on their
site about players getting personal injury insurance and
planning in case of career ending injury, or just being out
for an extended period without their normal pay.

More of our guys have in the past year or so, it might just
be we're noticing more for that reason. I honestly don't
think it's massively different to most years across the top
level of the game, just unfortunately our turn to lose them.
Plus we notice more cos we can't afford to keep losing
guys.

[lahinch_lass]

From Planet Rugby: (http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_6939843,00.html)
Munster have on Thursday confirmed that committed centre Barry Murphy</span> has decided to retire from rugby due to an ongoing foot problem.

The news follows on from that of Alan Quinlan and Ian Dowling also calling it a day.

"People say to me I've been unlucky and while I appreciate what they mean I don't see it that way," he told the Munster website.

"The past 7/8 years have been a wonderful time in my life, playing with Munster. I've made loads of friends here in this squad, enjoyed some great times and I wouldn't trade a moment of it."

Murphy won 71 caps for Munster scoring 12 tries, 6 of those in the Heineken Cup and he also scored a try against the All Blacks in 2008.

[Charco]

Ah jesus. smileys/sad.gif

[rathbaner]

Former Wales international Alix Popham has been forced to retire due to a shoulder injury.


The 31-year-old had not played for French club Brive since March due
to shoulder and elbow problems, and an off-season operation on the
former has not had the desired effect, leaving him with no option but to
hang up his boots on medical advice.
Story here (http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2011/0703/pophama_wales.html)

[lahinch_lass]

May as well continue this thread.. I know there's been other announcements over the summer and earlier this season but I haven't had a chance to keep track of them up to now. I'll do some rummaging in my email archives when I get a chance, but here's the start of this season's announcements:
Dragons prop Nigel Hall has been forced to retire from rugby due to injury.

The 32-year old tighthead ruptured his Achilles tendon during the region’s Heineken Cup game against London Wasps in December 2010.

“I’m obviously disappointed at being forced to retire,” he said. “It was always going to be really tough coming back from an injury like that but it’s still a big blow.”

Hall joined the Dragons in 2008 from Nottingham, making his debut in the festive fixture against the Scarlets on January 1st 2009. A strong player both in the scrum and in open play, he has been a key member of the Dragons squad, making 28 appearances for the region despite a 6-month lay-off with shoulder surgery following an injury in the Heineken Cup game against Gloucester in October 2009.

“It’s been really tough for me. I was at Nottingham for 5 years and played every game so to have 2 major injuries during my time at the Dragons has been really unlucky.”

“I’d like to thank everyone at the Dragons who have been really supportive during my rehab. It was easy to move down here and fit in with the squad and I wish them all the best of luck going forward.”

Dragons Director of Rugby Robert Beale said “Nigel has been a model professional during his time at the Dragons and his retirement will leave a big hole in our squad.
“I would like to thank Nigel for his honesty and commitment to our organization and wish him and his family the very best of luck for the future.”

[Benji]

Its with deep regret that I now have to retire. Its hasnt been easy these last few years but trying to recover from matches has been an issue.
So its very unlikely that I'll be able to play in the St Stephens game this year as the broken fingers from last year's game and the calf issues has restricted by running. And the beer and food hasnt helped.
Love to play but I'd be writing cheques by body cant cash.

[ustix]

Twill be lonely round the field, Benji.
Sorry for your trouble

[Benji]

Twill be lonely round the field, Benji.
Sorry for your trouble

Ya it was getting harder to peak when you were only playing one game a year .
Par a crocker knee, all ankle ligaments fecked, bad hip, bad back, Lumpy thumbs. Fractured fingers and collarbones I got away
Lucky. Sounds like the gruffalo

[lactose intolerant]

Ya it was getting harder to peak when you were only playing one game a year .
Par a crocker knee, all ankle ligaments fecked, bad hip, bad back, Lumpy thumbs. Fractured fingers and collarbones I got away
Lucky. Sounds like the gruffalo

you always had the top 6 inches though....made up for your relative lack of pace so it did

[ustix]

A fine story. Every dog has his day!

[Benji]

you always had the top 6 inches though....made up for your relative lack of pace so it did

Had the pace and the hands but never minded myself. Always better a seven who knows where to go rather then one that can run all day.

[busbi]

Former Wales international Alix Popham has been forced to retire due to a shoulder injury.


The 31-year-old had not played for French club Brive since March due
to shoulder and elbow problems, and an off-season operation on the
former has not had the desired effect, leaving him with no option but to
hang up his boots on medical advice.
Story here (http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2011/0703/pophama_wales.html)

Remember people screaming from the roof tops about this guy around 2007.

[mr chips]

Yep, he was instrumental in putting us out of the HEC that year. Great competitor for Scarlets before they entered the wilderness years.

[McCloud]

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Monday, November 14, 2011, 11:14 England flanker Worsley retiresRugby : London Wasps flanker Joe Worsley is to retire from the sport after failing to recover from a neck injury.

The England backrow, who has been at Wasps for the past 18 years, suffered the problem last season - and despite going through rehab he has been unable to train fully in recent months.

Worsley, who capped 78 times by England and went on to star for the British and Irish Lions, told the club's official site: "Last season I suffered an injury to my neck that has effectively ended my career.

"Since March I have been following medical and rehab advice but it didn't help, and restarting contact work during the England World Cup Camp made it obvious that I could not continue.

"My life as a rugby player started at Welwyn Under-9s and finished in an England training session - I want to say thanks to everyone who helped me on that path. I'm proud of what I achieved and how I played the game."

Worsley has enjoyed a trophy-laden career at Wasps, winning Heineken Cup twice, the Premiership title four times and the Powergen Cup on three occasions. On top of that he was part of the England squad which won the World Cup in 2003.

The 34-year-old went on to make more than 300 appearances for Wasps, while he was awarded the MBE. And Wasps owner Steve Hayes admitted it was a sad day for the club to see Worsley retire.

"Joe is a real legend at this club and we are all very sad to see his playing days come to an end," he said. "He has been a fantastic servant to Wasps and played a huge role in much of the club's success. He also was a superb representative on the international stage, becoming a key figure for England and inspiring many budding young players with his tenacious back-row play.

"He will leave big boots to fill and we wish him all the very best as he moves on with the next stage of his life. I hope that we will still see him regularly around Adams Park and he knows he is welcome back here anytime."

The Rugby Players Association chief executive Damian Hopley, who played alongside Worsley during his time at Wasps, added: "It is such sad news when any player has to retire prematurely and I am very sorry to learn that Joe's injury has meant his playing days have ended.

"As a former team-mate, we always sensed that Joe had all the necessary attributes and humility to become an outstanding international player and he played a leading role in both Wasps and England successes over the years. Joe was a fantastic professional and leaves behind tremendous memories of an exceptional career which saw him lift every major trophy in English, European and international rugby.

"On behalf of all The RPA members, I would like to wish Joe and his family every success for his life after rugby and we will be there to support Joe throughout that transition."

[Hellboy]

After 3 cerebral commotions (against London Irish on august 19th, against Toulouse on september 16th, and against Perpignan on september 23rd) ; Biarritz prop Eduard Coetze, 32 yo, (south african and french) have to stop his career as a player.

"I also had a blackout during a training session, few seconds. So I saw 3 french neurosurgeons who definitely banned rugby in my life just right in time. I still have some pains, nauseas and headaches. But they said with a rest, I should get better for Xmas."
"It's very, very tough for me right now, but health is far more important than rugby. There is no choice to make."

[Cowboy]

I'll miss Joe the Brain. He was the last cog in that animal Wasps backrow. Christ they were hardy men, similar to our backrow of yore.

[lahinch_lass]

After 3 cerebral commotions (against London Irish on august 19th, against Toulouse on september 16th, and against Perpignan on september 23rd) ; Biarritz prop Eduard Coetze, 32 yo, (south african and french) have to stop his career as a player.

"I also had a blackout during a training session, few seconds. So I saw 3 french neurosurgeons who definitely banned rugby in my life just right in time. I still have some pains, nauseas and headaches. But they said with a rest, I should get better for Xmas."
"It's very, very tough for me right now, but health is far more important than rugby. There is no choice to make."

that's a scary one... I still reckon players aren't getting hauled ashore half quick enough after concussions and aren't always getting sufficient time to recover from them either.

[lahinch_lass]

one from September:
Cardiff Blues hooker Gareth Williams has been forced to retire from the game due to neck injury.

“Basically, the neck was damaged during the pre season friendly against Bath,” explained Gareth.

“I damaged some more discs in the neck close to where I had the operation last year, which are now fused together.”

“If I were to have the operation, it would be quite a big procedure and the doctors said that if I did come back playing, I would be opening myself up to maybe some permanent damage and there is no guarantee it would work.”

“So it’s too much of a risk, especially in the position that I play in the front row.”

“His advice was to retire and so I’m hanging up my boots -

“It still hasn’t sunk in, but the surgeon has made the choice for me.”

Gareth Williams signed for Cardiff Blues from Bridgend in the summer of 2003, having previously played for UWIC and Pontypridd and also the Sydney club, Gordon.

In 1998 he had captained Wales Youth and quickly progressed to a full season with Wales under-21 in 1999. His progression to full internationals honours continued with two appearances for Wales A in 2001-02 and then his full cap in the 2003 Six Nations’ fixture in Italy. With the realisation that he has played his last game of rugby Williams is now looking to his future away from professional sport.

“Obviously I’m going to miss the game and the boys here, but life goes on after rugby and I have to think about my future now.”

“I have a young family and that has helped put things into perspective.”

[Thomond78]

After 3 cerebral commotions (against London Irish on august 19th, against Toulouse on september 16th, and against Perpignan on september 23rd) ; Biarritz prop Eduard Coetze, 32 yo, (south african and french) have to stop his career as a player.

"I also had a blackout during a training session, few seconds. So I saw 3 french neurosurgeons who definitely banned rugby in my life just right in time. I still have some pains, nauseas and headaches. But they said with a rest, I should get better for Xmas."
"It's very, very tough for me right now, but health is far more important than rugby. There is no choice to make."

And guess what? We still don't have the IRB training on concussion we were promised we'd have by now. Six months after the regulations were introduced, three years after the Zurich Consensus was introduced and a decade after the Kiwis started proper side-line management of concussion.

[McCloud]

Matthews heartbroken as injury ends his career
By John Fallon and Brendan O’Brien
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

CONNACHT centre Keith Matthews has been forced to retire from rugby after failing to recover from an Achilles tendon injury picked up in April.

The former Ireland A international is the latest professional player who has been forced to call a halt to his career. The 28-year old picked up the injury shortly after making his 100th appearance for Connacht, who he joined from Munster seven seasons ago.

"I was running and went to go off my left and it was like as if someone had kicked me really hard. I looked back and there was no one there. I knew straight away it was bad, the pain was something else," he said.

Matthews had ruptured his left Achilles tendon and was told it was more serious as the tear was high up. He had surgery in a week and the long road to recovery began. However, it became apparent during the summer the recovery was not working out as well as expected.

"It was heartbreaking. I was gutted and it took a long time for it to sink in. There were a few tears as I realised this was it, there was no way back. I’m still coming to terms with it.

"It struck me in the stand against Toulouse and against last weekend against the Ospreys that I would never again experience the thrill of being out there, the buzz from the crowd when you make a break or get a tackle in.

"I just thought I would get another two or three years out of it, maybe when I was 30 or 32."

Meanwhile, Leinster’s hand will be strengthened considerably for this Friday’s RaboDirect Pro12 visit of Cardiff Blues to Dublin with a number of Ireland internationals and other high-profile names returning.

Isa Nacewa, who missed the win over Treviso with a rib injury, is expected to come back in. Cardiff lie just five points and three places behind second-placed Leinster and assistant coach Greg Feek is expecting a stern test.

"Defensively they are very good so they are going to put a lot of pressure on us. We are going to have to be very accurate on the finer details, get our set piece ball and provide a platform and be really physically up there."


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/matthews-heartbroken-as-injury-ends-his-career-175443.html#ixzz1f5AE9BVc

[lahinch_lass]

Matthews heartbroken as injury ends his career
By John Fallon and Brendan O’Brien
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

CONNACHT centre Keith Matthews has been forced to retire from rugby after failing to recover from an Achilles tendon injury picked up in April.

The former Ireland A international is the latest professional player who has been forced to call a halt to his career. The 28-year old picked up the injury shortly after making his 100th appearance for Connacht, who he joined from Munster seven seasons ago.

"I was running and went to go off my left and it was like as if someone had kicked me really hard. I looked back and there was no one there. I knew straight away it was bad, the pain was something else," he said.

Matthews had ruptured his left Achilles tendon and was told it was more serious as the tear was high up. He had surgery in a week and the long road to recovery began. However, it became apparent during the summer the recovery was not working out as well as expected.

"It was heartbreaking. I was gutted and it took a long time for it to sink in. There were a few tears as I realised this was it, there was no way back. I’m still coming to terms with it.

"It struck me in the stand against Toulouse and against last weekend against the Ospreys that I would never again experience the thrill of being out there, the buzz from the crowd when you make a break or get a tackle in.

"I just thought I would get another two or three years out of it, maybe when I was 30 or 32."
{snip} Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/matthews-heartbroken-as-injury-ends-his-career-175443.html#ixzz1f5AE9BVc

Keith was every bit as injury-jinxed as his mate Barry Murphy, Keith seemed to pick-up similar severity of injuries shortly after Barry the whole way through their respective careers, and now he's retiring as well !

[masterchief]

Keith was every bit as injury-jinxed as his mate Barry Murphy, Keith seemed to pick-up similar severity of injuries shortly after Barry the whole way through their respective careers, and now he's retiring as well !


If he can play an instrument maybe he could join hermitage green?

[Evil Omer]

Good player that we should have developed more in our time with him. Another (for me anyway) of those who suffered through Gaffney's anyone but an Irishman policy when it came to bringing through players at Munster.

[The Word Is Born]

The Pop-up Pirate has had to retire again.

Linkage (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/16018570.stm)
England hooker Steve Thompson retires again because of neck injury
England hooker Steve Thompson has been forced to retire for a second time because of another neck injury.
The 33-year-old, who first quit in 2007 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7057750.stm), will have surgery on Tuesday and has been told not to make a comeback.
"I went to the specialist and he advised me it isn't safe to carry on playing," said the 73-cap England man.
Thompson, who won the World Cup with England in 2003, has been experiencing numbness and dizziness since hitting a scrum machine in training in October.
He also won three caps for the Lions in an international career stretching back to 2002.

The injury occurred just two days before Thompson made his debut for Wasps, whom he joined from Leeds this summer on a three-year contract.
He played an hour in the 14-12 win at Worcester (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/9623332.stm), which proved to be his only game for the club and his last in professional rugby.
"It just went. I was gutted," Thompson added. "I played 60 minutes at Worcester and that was it.
"I tried to convince myself it was fine and it wasn't. I have got to accept it this time. There is no way I can play.
"I can't do what I need to do to earn a living. I scrum - that is what I do."
Thompson returned an insurance payout of around £500,000 when he returned to action after his last neck injury, having received a second medical opinion that cleared him to play again.

He forced his way back into the England set-up for the 2009 summer Tests against Argentina and was first-choice hooker at this year's World Cup, which ended with defeat by France at the quarter-final stage (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/15210221.stm).
"The World Cup was hard," said Thompson, who numbers Northampton and Brive among his former clubs.
"To finish the way it did was really disappointing and then to suffer another blow a few weeks afterwards - it is like a kick in the nuts.
"I was enjoying rugby. I thought I had done all right at the World Cup, compared to how some of the lads went, and I was really looking forward to Wasps.
"This operation will be more painful than the last one. I will take a break and see what opportunities come along the way."
Former England coach Martin Johnson paid tribute to his 2003 World Cup-winning team-mate.
"That Steve retired and then came back to get himself fit and in form to compete in a World Cup shows what a great player and character he is," he said.
"I know he was really looking forward to a new start at Wasps and for him to have to retire early like this is sad. But we should celebrate what he has done in the game and wish him well for the future."

[Ropaire]

Always admired his bravery for not taking the money and running. Made a big gamble coming back and it definately paid off - irrespective of England's woeful rwc. The guy clearly has balls of steel, if unfortunately, not a neck hewn such.

[McCloud]

Best of luck to him. In fairness he gave his all regardless of the needless 'pop up pirate' comment.

[mr chips]

Agree on the "giving his all" part, when coming back after such an injury - even though I thought it was too much of a risk at the time. Plus having handed back a half-million quid payout, he clearly he wasn't going to be one of those players the English RWC review mentioned as being more interested in the money than in playing. Good luck to him. And to borrow a phrase - farewell, ya fat c**t. :p

[McCloud]

Professional players not facing greater injury risk, says study
By Simon Lewis
Tuesday, January 17, 2012

IRISH Rugby Union Players Association (IRUPA) boss Omar Hassanein believes the latest findings in the English game that professional players do not run a greater risk of injury now than previously will be echoed in this country.

Contrary to the perception that professional rugby is now a more dangerous game, with higher injury rates, the 2010-11 England Rugby Injury and Training audit, published yesterday, showed injury rate among pro players had effectively remained stable since the first report was commissioned in 2002.

There had been a 16% rise in the likelihood of injury last season, from 80 injuries per 1,000 hours in 2009-10 to 93 but that had remained within the "normal level" of season-by-season variation and the 2010-11 figures related to an increase in injuries that kept players out for a week or less and a small increase in injuries that resulted in more than 84 days’ absence.

IRUPA chief executive Hassanein said he expected to see a similar picture when his association conducted its next player survey within the next 24 months.

"I think those findings fall in line with our thinking," Hassanein said. "There’s certainly been nothing to suggest that injury rates are going up significantly.

"We have to commend the IRFU for taking strong measures too, in setting up the Medical Advisory Committee, which is encouraging the identification of injuries earlier and preventing them from becoming more serious.

"I think, yes, the game’s becoming more physical but I would think that’s been counteracted by the fact that medical processes are getting better as we move more and more into the professional era.

"Medical and surgical advances are enormous and there’s no doubt it’s getting players back on the pitch quicker and hopefully keeping them on the pitch as well because the instances of re-injury are less, due to those advancements.

"That’s all counter-acting the fact that the game’s quicker, faster and more physical.

"We’ll be looking to run a survey of our own this year or next to identify where player injuries are at and if there are any specific trends.

"We’ll be looking to work more closely with the IRFU on that in helping to improve how we identify those situations."

Hassanein added that though there had been some high-profile retirements forced by injury in recent years, they were the exception rather than the rule.

"They’re not the norm. You’re going to get the odd career-ending injury and that’s one part of why we exist, to prepare players for that next stage of life. That next stage can come abruptly, not every player is going to finish their career on their own terms and that’s part and parcel of the game and our players accept that. But it’s not the norm."

The English study, conducted jointly by the Rugby Football Union, Premiership Rugby and the Rugby Players’ Association, confirmed Hassanein’s feeling that medical and physiotherapy advances have led to a decrease in repeat injuries.

"People like playing and watching rugby union because it is a collision sport. We try and make it as safe as we can, while keeping it recognisable as rugby," Dr Simon Kemp, the head of sports medicine at the RFU, said.

"Despite the perception that players are bigger, faster and stronger, there isn’t any evidence that the injury rate has increased since 2002."

* Click on to Irish Examiner sport blog to read Charlie Mulqueen’s column: http://sport.irishexaminer.com /


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/professional-players-not-facing-greater-injury-risk-says-study-180450.html#ixzz1jiIbsaqX

[John Cooper Clarke]

12/03/2012 - 10:11:29
Wasps have announced that flanker Tom Rees has retired from rugby with immediate effect following medical advice on a knee injury.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/rugby/injury-forces-rees-retirement-543226.html#ixzz1otw0Edhu

[NotreDameRFC]

12/03/2012 - 10:11:29Wasps have announced that flanker Tom Rees has retired from rugby with immediate effect following medical advice on a knee injury.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/rugby/injury-forces-rees-retirement-543226.html#ixzz1otw0Edhupity the guy.....pretty decent 7..... could have made into England xv only for injury

[i_like_cake]

Obviously a disaster for the guy. He was an exceptional 7, great reader of the game. WASPS badly need him too.

best of luck to him in whatever he decides to do.

[garryowen2323]

Always thought he was a good player with a very big future ahead of him. Sad news for the lad and his family. Hopefully he finds success with his future plans whatever they may be

[Cowboy]

Always thought he was a good player with a very big future ahead of him. Sad news for the lad and his family. Hopefully he finds success with his future plans whatever they may be

Another of the wasps backrow enforcers calls it a day. Sad to see, they'd some savage loose forwards not too long ago. Always struck me as a ferociously hard but fair player and reminded me of our own Wally in style more than once. Poor auld wasps are really up on the rocks.

[McCloud]

A lot of players retiring due to injury these days. Beginning to think that the article I posted further up on this page is total bull.

[lahinch_lass]

didn't Lewis Moody announce his retirement due to injury recently too ?

[McCloud]

Jerry Flannery retires due to a back injury.

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10262.php

[LeakyBoots]

Not due to injury but Bob Casey has announced his retirement at the end of the season

[PEATB0G]

Not due to injury but Bob Casey has announced his retirement at the end of the season

I'd imagine if his knees weren't knackered he'd play on. It could've been here i read it but i think twas in the irish post that he's going for operations on both knees once the season is finished, maybe even replacements.

[the plastic paddy]

Would think he could make up into a handy coach somewhere, always found his articles informative. Best of luck to him in the future.

[Weetabix]

Shane Horgan just confirmed on Twitter, bombshell! Or maybe not.

http://t.co/aF6bbbdD

Fair play, will never forget Irl VS NZ in Autumn Internationals of 2001, he matched Lomu that day. Thanks for all the memories in the green jersey.

[Aussiedub]

Really sorry to see Shaggy finish up like that....great performer for Ireland and Leinster

[LeakyBoots]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLtoUPJq0PY

[Weetabix]

And IRFU, Leinster Rugby, and RaboDirect websites promptly crash out of sympathy. And munsterrugby.ie too, weird.

[bazzyg]

At least he played his last game at a great rugby ground, must have made the decision easier.

Having watched him on the telly, he says what he thinks and has an easy and refreshing way of not caring what the others say, he should have a long career in tv, dump Victor, Mark, Gerry and a few others let him have all the time on the box he wants.

[Weetabix]

He's very good on Off The Ball too, they pick up some very serious analysts on that show fair play to them.

[Ruckuss]

Sad to see Horgan retire this way.
All those rugby sites are run by the same people - SOTIC, a UK company specialising in sports, especially rugby websites,
their servers must have gone down!

[Upfront_1979]

One of my all time favourite players. That game against New Zealand Weetabix, I think we would have won it if Shaggy did'nt go off injured.
I'll never forget his try against England in Twickenham either, was on Inis Mor (not a Rugby Bastion) for paddys day and the place went mental when he stretched over the line.
Probably the best fielder of restarts I have ever seen and he wasn't bad at the odd hand-off either :)

[Upfront_1979]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqg5B4XY8-o&amp;feature=player_detailpage

[Upfront_1979]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=KY8FYwBkq60

Legend :)

[Upfront_1979]

last one I promise. Moody really must hate seeing shaggy get the ball :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScCLQg2jhaE&amp;feature=player_detailpage

[taz]

One of my all time favourite players. That game against New Zealand Weetabix, I think we would have won it if Shaggy did'nt go off injured.
I'll never forget his try against England in Twickenham either, was on Inis Mor (not a Rugby Bastion) for paddys day and the place went mental when he stretched over the line.
Probably the best fielder of restarts I have ever seen and he wasn't bad at the odd hand-off either :)
Tedfest?

[garryowen2323]

Always came across as a decent fella. Great finisher without being massively skilled. Always love seeing players play to best of their abilities which he did. Was it Matt Williams or Warren Gatland or who that moved him from 12 to 14? Great... decision whoever it was. Wouldn't have had half the career he did if stayed at 12. Won everything at senior level possible. Haven't seen any of his punditry since I left Ireland but best of luck to him. Hopefully works out for him

[ozoyo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=KY8FYwBkq60

Legend :)

What a try and what a player!
I had great moments watching Ireland games when he was involved and also Leinster games (to a lesser extente when playing against us ;)).

As garryowen says not massively skilled but a natural born player. Some players overwork their skills and I'd always prefer to have a solid player like Shaggy.

[mr chips]

At his peak he was an excellent international winger, pity that he couldn't retire on his own terms but he seems to have a good future in punditry ahead of him. All the best Shaggy.

[lahinch_lass]

Quinnie's article in the times today discusses the whole foreced retirement v's retiring by choice phenomenon and the increased impacts & changes in the types of injuries players are suffering these days http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0328/1224314003751.html Basically the jist is that with modern conditioning /prehab players have greatly reduced their chances of muscle injuries, but there's no way for them to protect their joints/muscles and the current style of rugby & size of players are such that the impacts are a lot harder and have a greater chance of causing dislocations/breaks etc.

[The Outlaw]

Terrific player. Been a big loss for Ireland IMO. Best of luck to him.

[John Cooper Clarke]

Horgan was a very decent player for Les Dames and Ireland. Scored plenty of tries against us too over the years. Best of luck to him in his post playing career.

Seems a long time since he got into a bit of bother in a Galway nightclub.

p.s. He had good taste in cars. A Classic Porsche 911 iirc.

[masterchief]

Horgan was a very decent player for Les Dames and Ireland. Scored plenty of tries against us too over the years. Best of luck to him in his post playing career.

Seems a long time since he got into a bit of bother in a Galway nightclub.

p.s. He had good taste in cars. A Classic Porsche 911 iirc.

911 RS afaik.

[blackwarrior]

Best of luck to Shane Horgan. One my favourite Ireland tries was his first try at Twickenham v England in that Triple Crown decider in 2006. He had the ball on the wing, did brilliantly to keep in and his feet in play (just) and won the race for the touchline. Great athleticism and ball skills.

His try at the end of the game overshadowed it unfortunately.

[McCloud]

Best of luck to him did Ireland and Leinster proud. Seems to be a nice lad as well. Hopefully the media work will workout for him.

[Valencia]

Had quite a long interview on Radio 1 this morning, lovely guy, got a lot of very complimentary texts as well & rightly so

[McCloud]

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 12:33
Burns retires on medical advice




Rugby: Wales hooker Lloyd Burns has been forced to retire from rugby with immediate effect. The Newport Gwent Dragons forward, who has won seven caps and was part of Wales’ World Cup squad in New Zealand last autumn, has been sidelined since January due to a neck injury.


But the Dragons have now revealed that “ongoing tests” have revealed aorta damage, with possible heart surgery to follow. Burns, 27, made his Wales debut against the Barbarians in Cardiff last June, going on as a second-half replacement for Huw Bennett.


more here (http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2012/0411/1224314626214.html)

[mr chips]

F**king hell - six months of an international "career" before being forced out with a life-changing injury.

Bull was blessed.

[the plastic paddy]

Wonder if this one was spotted as a result of the other Welsh front rower's heart condition? Bad luck in rugby terms but fecking lucky in life terms I would have said.

[PEATB0G]

They're coming thick and fast now.

Peter Short, Exeter second-rower, ankle injury.

http://www.exeterchiefs.co.uk/latest-headlines?item=1395

John Hart, Wasps back-rower, shoulder injury.

http://www.wasps.co.uk/news/Wasps33089.ink

[garryowen2323]

Not sure if this is correct thread for this but strong word that Victor Matfield will be coming out of retirement for the England's trip to SA in June!!

http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-news/victor-matfield-could-lead-springboks-4842938

[PEATB0G]

Not sure about this one, Bath tight head Duncan Bell retires. The way it was presented in the media was that he's retiring due to depression but in the link below they're refferred to as 2 seperate issues. He's retiring and suffered depression, not necessarily retiring due to depression.

http://www.bathrugby.com/news/team-news/bell-retires-after-nine-years-with-bath-rugby

[lahinch_lass]

Another one -
Scarlets’ Iestyn Thomas forced to retire through injury

Scarlets Prop Iestyn Thomas has announced that he will retire from rugby at the end of this season after 10 seasons with his region.

Thomas, 35, who has appeared 214 times in a Scarlets shirt, with 60 points for his regional club is one of Wales’ most experienced props and one of the strongest scrummaging looseheads in the Welsh game. He is one of three players in the squad with more than 200 appearances alongside Stephen Jones (315 appearances) and fellow prop Phil John (229).

Vice-captain of the Scarlets team this season, he has been the cornerstone of the Scarlets pack for the past decade. Thomas started his rugby career with his hometown club of Pontypool RFC then moving to top division Ebbw Vale which was then under former Wales Head Coach Mike Ruddock.

He joined the Scarlets in 2002 and has an impressive has an impressive line of rugby honours to his name which includes 33 caps for Wales after making his debut in this country’s victory against Samoa in the Autumn of 2000. He also played in Wales’ 2003 Rugby World Cup squad.

His first competitive game for Llanelli Scarlets was in 2002 against Neath scoring a try on his competitive debut.

He played in his last game on the 9th of February 2012 after 18 games for the region this season. He sustained a neck injury that has kept him off the field since the early part of this year and will now force him to retire from the game, on medical advice.

He has been one of the region’s most consistent performers over the past two seasons and a well-known face in European battles for the Scarlets, Iestyn has 62 European caps to his name and has huge respect in the game as one of the Elite 50 Heineken Cup players.

His form over the last two years was recognised when he was named in a League dream team in 2011 as well as being last year’s Scarlets’ players’ player of the year with many expecting the experienced Prop to get a place in the World Cup this season. He was handed the honour of wearing the Barbarians jersey in June 2011.

Speaking about his retirement Iestyn said: “It’s not easy to have to give up my rugby career but my neck injury is such now that it really is impossible to carry on - with a series of medical opinions telling me that it would be difficult for me to recover full strength even if I opted for surgery again.

“So, the advice I have been given by the surgeons is that I have to retire from the game.

“Ironically for me, I have been really enjoying playing some of the best rugby of my career in the past two seasons and it’s really difficult to let go to that now.

Iestyn Thomas, who is celebrating a benefit year in 2011/2012 said: “It was a great honour to be named as the vice-captain for the Scarlets this season and stand in for Matthew while he was injured at the start of the season.

“I have also been fortunate in being awarded a benefit year this season which has kept me occupied during the past few months while the final decisions were being made about my career in discussion with the medical teams and with my family.”

Thomas recalled his greatest memories. He said: “I am grateful for all the great opportunities and experiences I have had in my rugby career and there’s a long list of brilliant memories. Playing for my country against New Zealand in 2003 will stay with me always, that was a great game. And then there’s the win away in Toulouse in 2006 on my 30th birthday and winning the Celtic League title in 2003/4.”

“I won’t miss the training and conditioning on a wet Tuesday afternoon as much though,” he smiled; “but the thrill of the game and competitiveness of match day has always given me the challenge to keep going despite the battering the body takes.

“I have been privileged to be part of Scarlets for such a long time and been part of the team through some real highs and played alongside some great players.

“That spirit in Scarlets rugby is still really burning – the young boys coming through have been an inspiration and energised us as senior players. It’s been great to be part of and watch some of these new generation of Scarlets push forward this season both in a Scarlets jersey and in the international set-up.

“I’d like to express my thanks all my Scarlets colleagues players and coaches, past and present for what they have done to support me in my career and to the medical staff who have looked after me.

“My thanks to the great Scarlets crowds and loyal supporters who are the lifeblood of our region and follow us at Parc y Scarlets and on our away games and match the spirit of this team with their great vocal support from the stands.”

As for life after rugby, Thomas says he’ll concentrate on making the rest of his testimonial events a huge success and then take some time to think about what lies ahead.

“It’s too early to make firm decisions now, I just want to take time to accept that I have had to retire, spend time with my wife and family and chill out a little bit this summer,” he said.

“It’s important to give yourself time to consider things in the future and after such an intense last few years in rugby I feel I owe that to myself and my family and friends.”

Nigel Davies, Scarlets Head Coach said: "Iestyn has been immense for us - and to have such a experienced and trusted professional in your ranks with so many younger players is something that as a coaching set-up you really appreciate and rely on.

“He has given so much to our region and in recent seasons the accolades he has achieved reflect the level of consistency he has delivered in his performances. We thank him for all he has given and wish him well now in the future. Let’s hope that he has a great send-off now from the game and its supporters over the reminder of his testimonial events this year.”

ENDS

For further information please contact Antonia Lamont on 07974 421665 or email antonia@lamont-pr.co.uk.

Iestyn’s forthcoming benefit year events:

17th May 2012 London lunch
25th May 2012 Grand Slam Casino Night
27th May 2012 Pateg Sevens Tournament
13th June 2012 Lunch with Max Boyce
June (date tbc) Abergavenny Golf Day
11th July Lions Gold Ball Golf Day Challenge
10th August 2012 Summer Ball
6th September 2012 Black Tie Finale Dinner with Max Boyce

To book and find out more please visit www.iestynsbenefit.co.uk.

[lahinch_lass]

BTW the posting above is a press release so it's intended to be published as is legally :)

[lahinch_lass]

And one that we missed last week:
Cardiff Blues can confirm that Blues second row stalwart, Deiniol Jones, has been forced to retire from rugby due to a shoulder injury.

Jones joined the Cardiff Blues in 2004 from the Celtic Warriors having made his international debut against Samoa in November 2000. He has been one of the most consistent players for the Blues being the first player to reach 100 games for the region and gone on to make 175 appearances.

Speaking at the Cardiff Blues training centre, Deiniol, said:

“I had an operation on both shoulders in November because they were getting too painful for me to continue playing and there was quite a bit of damage in both of them.”

“After rehab, one shoulder has improved pretty well but the other one is at the stage where there is no hope of getting back to the strength and stability needed to play rugby.”

“So, the advice I have been given by the surgeons is that I have to retire from the game.”

“It has been a massive blow for me and it’s a hard pill to swallow at the moment.”

“However, if I take a step back and look at what has been achieved in the eight years I have been here at the Blues, then I am really proud to have been part of the development and progress that has been made.”

“When I look back to when I joined it was totally different.”

“We were training on a school pitch, we didn’t have our own gym and the organisation wasn’t really in place.”

“Now we have the facilities and all the necessary departments in place, which are fantastic. I am privileged to have been a small part of that.”

“I have many great memories of my time with the Blues.”

“There are the obvious ones like winning silverware. It’s what you aspire to when you play sport and the two competitions we won really do stand out.”

“However, looking back, the thing I treasure more than anything at the Blues is the relationships you build and friendships you make with players, coaches, with medical staff and all those involved off the field.”

“That is the one thing I will miss more than anything.”

“There are a number of people I’d like to thank, from all the medical staff who have looked after me, in particular my surgeon, Richard Evans, and Tim Atter, who has kept me taped together for years, to my current and former team mates. I’d also like to thank everyone who works at the training centre and the stadium, especially Mike Bieri and Vicky McCracken who keep the organisation together, and of course all the supporters, who have been great to me since I joined.”

Looking forward to life after rugby, Deiniol, said:

“I have my own business, J&D Water Consultants, which is a water treatment and hygiene company that has been running for five years now.”
“My business partner and I set up the company five years ago and started off working from his house. We have now expanded with a unit in Bridgend and things are progressing well.”

“We are working all over the UK and the company is evolving. It’s a great challenge and one I am really looking forward to throwing myself into.”

Even though Deiniol is hugely knowledgeable and has a wealth of experience, coaching isn’t something that appeals at the moment:

“I have been a professional rugby player now for 16 years and in my opinion, being a rugby coach requires twice the commitment of being a player,” added Deiniol.

“I have a young family and I would like to spend weekends with them now and appreciate my kids and my wife.”

“To be a top coach, you have to put in an incredible amount of commitment to be successful. To maintain that intensity after being a player is something that I don’t think is healthy to do immediately.”

“I think it’s healthier to take a step back and do something else in life.”

[Cowboy]

Best of luck to Deniol Jones, a stalwart for the Blues down the years.

[Sian24]

And another here over here in Wales -

Wales and Scarlets prop Rhys Thomas has been forced to retire from playing on medical advice -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17869071

[the plastic paddy]

Jebus Sian, they are falling like flies. With all the departures and retirements is there going to be anyone left in Wales to play the game next season; not good news!!

[mr chips]

Real pity for him - I hadn't been aware of the heart issue, which seems to be cropping up more and more often. He always struck me as being a pretty decent prop, great aggression.

[McCloud]

David Wallace http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10449.php

[PEATB0G]

Scott Hobson, Bath second row, Shoulder.

http://www.bathrugby.com/news/club-news/scott-hobson-retires-through-injury

[lahinch_lass]

simon Danelli announcement today:
Ulster Rugby today confirmed that Simon Danielli has decided to retire from rugby due to a back injury which has plagued the winger throughout this last season

Simon joined Ulster at the start of the 2007/08 season from The Borders and has subsequently been capped 78 times by Ulster, scoring 26 tries.
Born in Edinburgh and educated at Cheltenham College and Oxford University where he studied Philosophy and Theology, Simon played in two victorious ‘blues’ matches
From Oxford he signed a full-time contract with Bath and within 2 years had made his full International debut for Scotland against Italy in 2003, ahead of the start of the World Cup. He has gone on to be capped 32 times by his country, playing in two World Cups and scoring 8 tries.

“Having been advised that I am no longer able to achieve the level of fitness required to play professional rugby, It is with great sadness that I announce my retirement from the game.” Simon commented

“I feel privileged to have been playing for over a decade and have thoroughly enjoyed my time as a professional rugby player, particularly my last five years here at Ulster”

“I would like to thank everyone who has helped me throughout my time here, to all the players, coaches, other members of staff and not least the fantastic supporters at Ulster that rival anywhere else in Europe, creating an atmosphere that has given me many special lifelong memories”

“I wish the boys the very best of luck for the biggest of games next week and long into the future, the club is well on the path to becoming a leading force in European rugby and I will be in the stands cheering them towards this for years to come”

[Valencia]

I really dislike the 'capped' for what is effectively now a club. What's wrong with 'played 78 times for his club'? I know you got capped for your province back in the day but you really only get capped for your country nowadays. Maybe I'm wrong? Oh and aside from that good luck Simon on your retirement

[McCloud]

Denis Leamy http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10507.php

[lahinch_lass]

I really dislike the 'capped' for what is effectively now a club. What's wrong with 'played 78 times for his club'? I know you got capped for your province back in the day but you really only get capped for your country nowadays. Maybe I'm wrong? Oh and aside from that good luck Simon on your retirement
The provinces still cap their players, but I don't think the clubs do. And then there's the ERC cap's as well..

[McCloud]

Munster Rugby ‏@Munsterrugby (http://twitter.com/#!/Munsterrugby)
Darragh Hurley announces his retirement from rugby as a result of ongoing injury...all at Munster Rugby wish him the very best in the future

[Valencia]

Was expected but still another casualty on what is now a very very long list

[Hugonaut]

Good God. What was the cause? I know he had a serious [and freakish] eye injury previously and that he was having back surgery earlier this season ... either of those linked to the cause of retirement?

Always tough for a guy to have to retire prematurely.

[mr chips]

Damn, damn, damn - really frustrating that he never got to fulfil his potential. Could have been more than a contender. Glad I had the chance to see him play, just once for Munster A. Best of luck to him for the future.

[busby]

Would this be because of a chronic injury that has forced him into retirement, or is it a case of biting the bullet after one injury too many?

You look at Declan Fitzpatck breaking into the Irish squad at 28 after being injured for the year, it wasn't too late for Hurley.

[Benji]

And questions were asked after the failure to properly treat Poc's groin injury. Was Wally really fit to make his comeback in Galway? I think not. There seems to be an issue with condition, rehabilitation of player's after injury.

[isola ciarrai]

People are inclined to be hard on Munster with our 2 NIQ props in our first choice XV (by necessity) and bemoaning our lack of native props. However, if you look back to 2008 and since, we had lined up Darragh Hurley (who always looked first class when he could play), Tony Buckley (who even Smal thought would be world class) and Tim Ryan as successors to Bull, Marcus etc. It is sad for all concerned that neither Buckley (injury and illness apart) and Ryan (Dave R also) just never made it, and DH could not become injury free. Munster really did have a succession plan of sorts organised with expectations of Leamy, Barry Murphy, Ian Dowling, the props mentioned above, D Ryan (thankfully doing well now) and so on ready to step up - it just did not materialise.

[masterchief]

Would this be because of a chronic injury that has forced him into retirement, or is it a case of biting the bullet after one injury too many?

You look at Declan Fitzpatck breaking into the Irish squad at 28 after being injured for the year, it wasn't too late for Hurley.

Maybe he just had enough himself. Take the insurance cheque and get on with living his life.

[Leo]

Serious questions to be answered from the Munster conditioning room? The list of players retiring now is becoming almost unbelievalbe, are they done or being shoved slightly?

Also Munster mid-season injuries seem to be quite high also. There's something not right there.

The IRFU have a case to answer on their precious "player welfare" also, as guys like BOD and POC should be nowhere near the NZ tour, given their age and injury history and the relitive meaninglessness of the tour.

[Waterfordlad]

POC won't be there. Agree with you on BOD, but I'd say he'd like one last crack at them on their turf

[Hugonaut]

Serious questions to be answered from the Munster conditioning room? The list of players retiring now is becoming almost unbelievalbe, are they done or being shoved slightly?

Also Munster mid-season injuries seem to be quite high also. There's something not right there.

The IRFU have a case to answer on their precious "player welfare" also, as guys like BOD and POC should be nowhere near the NZ tour, given their age and injury history and the relitive meaninglessness of the tour.

Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there, Leo. The IRFU are the direct employers of BOD and POC through central contracts. Why wouldn't they want them to play against the world champions in the first defense of the Webb Ellis trophy?

Drico has only played seven games since October, he's fresher than he has ever been at this time of the season.

[lahinch_lass]

http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2012/rugby/story/166242.html
Former England flanker Michael Lipman (http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/player/14559.html)has been forced to call time on his rugby career.
Lipman has been suffering from the side-effects linked with concussion and after one too many bangs to the head, he has decided to hang up his boots. ''The bottom line is that throughout my career I've had so many bangs to the head and I've had so much," Lipman told WAtoday. ''I've just had too many.
"Enough's enough and when you're body's talking to you like it is now, you've got to listen to it and be sensible because the hardest thing in anything really is to admit that your time is up and to come to terms with it.
''It [headache] is always there and you can feel the pressure in your head and when you start running and training it makes it a lot worse. You're just very confused really, and you're hazy and you're very clouded and not many things make sense.

[LeakyBoots]

http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2012/rugby/story/166242.html
Former England flanker Michael Lipman (http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/player/14559.html)has been forced to call time on his rugby career.
Lipman has been suffering from the side-effects linked with concussion and after one too many bangs to the head, he has decided to hang up his boots. ''The bottom line is that throughout my career I've had so many bangs to the head and I've had so much," Lipman told WAtoday. ''I've just had too many.
"Enough's enough and when you're body's talking to you like it is now, you've got to listen to it and be sensible because the hardest thing in anything really is to admit that your time is up and to come to terms with it.
''It [headache] is always there and you can feel the pressure in your head and when you start running and training it makes it a lot worse. You're just very confused really, and you're hazy and you're very clouded and not many things make sense.

You read about this kind of thing more and more now, very worrying

[Pony]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18794777

Xavier Rush. Fine player and captain.

God the Welsh teams will be piss this year at this rate.

[josephusdaniels]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18794777

Xavier Rush. Fine player and captain.

God the Welsh teams will be piss this year at this rate.

A class act. Always disappointing to see ignominious endings to great careers through injury. Best of luck to him in the new coaching role.

[Cowboy]

**** it anyway. Sorry Huwie boss :(


That man was a stalwart for the Blues and harder than a coffin nail.

[Huwie]

**** it anyway. Sorry Huwie boss :(


That man was a stalwart for the Blues and harder than a coffin nail.

Ah sure, I'll remember him for the good times... like when he skinned peter stringer to score a try in Thomond 2 years ago. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-mUk3KAF4&amp;feature=related

[PEATB0G]

I had half an hour to burn while i was reading this thread so thought i'd gather all the info together in one post, edit/enhance/add to as you see fit, At first glance it looks like Wales is in the lead for retirements.

Prop:

Gary Powell, Achilles, Wales
Ronan Mc Cormack, Neck, 33, Ireland
Robbie Morris Back, 29, Ireland
David Barnes Neck, 34, England
Nigel Hall Achilles, 32, Wales
Eduard Cotzee Head 32 France
Iestyn Thomas Neck 35 Wales
Rhys Thomas Heart 29 wales
Darragh Hurley Ireland
David Flatman Hand, 33? England


Hooker:

John Fogarty, concussion, 33 , Ireland
Steve Thompson neck, 33, England
Jerry Flannery back 33 Ireland
Lloyd Burns, neck/heart 27 Wales
Matt Cairns Ankle 34
Andy Long neck 34 England

Second row:

Richard Blaze, Foot, England
Trevor Hogan, Knee, 31 Ireland
Conor McInerney knee, 24, Wales
Peter Short Ankle, 32 England
Deniol Jones Shoulder Wales
Scott Hobson shoulder 24 england
Adam Eustace neck 32 England
Jon Pendlebury concussion 29 England


Back row:

Daffyd Jones, Shoulder, 31, Wales
David Pollock, Hip Ireland
Nathan Budgett, Ankle , 35, England
Ben Lewis, Neck, 24, Wales
Alix Popham Shoulder 31 France
Joe Worseley Neck, 34 England
Gareth Williams neck, wales
Tom Rees Knee england
John Hart Shoulder 30 England
David Wallace Knee 35 Ireland
Denis Leamy Hip 30 Ireland
Michael Lipman Head australia
Xavier Rush Neck 34 Wales
Andy Beattie Ankle, England
Lewis Moody Knee? 34 England
Pat Sanderson Shoulder 33 England
Dan Ward-Smith Back 33 England
Gerald Gambetta Shoulder 27

Half Back:

Danny Lee, Shoulder, Wales
Conor O'Loughlin Hip, 28, Ireland
Ryan Powell neck 31 England

Back Five:

Thom Evans, neck, 24, Scotland
Mark Jones, Knee, 30, Wales
Ian Dowling, Hip, 28, Ireland
Tom Shanklin knee, 31, Wales
Barry Murphy Foot, 28? Ireland
Keith Matthews Achilles 28 Ireland
Shane Horgan knee 33 Ireland
simon danielli back Ireland
Jon Kennedy concussion 21

[lahinch_lass]

That listing is just the last 18 months with a strong bias to announcements in Rabo squads.. we probably missed a lot of announcements in the Aviva and definitely from the SH & France, because I can't believe that their casualty lists are that much slimmer with their greater playing numbers.

[PEATB0G]

That listing is just the last 18 months with a strong bias to announcements in Rabo squads.. we probably missed a lot of announcements in the Aviva and definitely from the SH & France, because I can't believe that their casualty lists are that much slimmer with their greater playing numbers.

Very true, i've rememdered Flatman, Beattie and Moody retiring from Bath in the last 8 or so months aswell.

[scotscor]

That post is a great basis for a very very good article, oi journos, I'm talking to you

[Evil Omer]

[/B]
You read about this kind of thing more and more now, very worrying

Yes and no, if memory serves similar reasons for both Bill Beaumont and Mervyn Davies retiring

Funny thing is if you you look at the list above, hip appears a hell of a lot!!

[LLCOOLJ14]

a few more for the list:

Pat Sanderson, backrow, 33 shoulder
Dan Ward-Smith, backrow, 33, back
Adam Eustace, 2nd row, 32, neck
Matt Cairns, hooker, 34, ankle
Any Long, hooker, 34, neck
Jon Kennedy, centre, 21 concussion
Ryan Powell, #9, 31, neck
Gerald Gambetta, Backrow, 27, shoulder



Shaggy was 33....long term knee injury....


Also, some people might find the rfu report below interesting.....

http://www.rfu.com/news/2012/january/newsarticles/170112_england_injury_audit

[lahinch_lass]

per request from peatbog I've copied his summary into the opening post of the thread. Mod's feel free to update at any stage .. I'm not on this forum as much as I used to be so may miss some updates.

BTW maybe a few people could signup for various league newsletters - I already get the Rabo press releases so I'll always be posting retirement announcements from there, but I'm not signing up for Aviva, top14 or super 15 newsletters..

[garryowen2323]

Dan Vickerman officially retired today. Had a great career having played for Brumbies, Waratahs and short spell at Northampton. While studying in the UK he also played 2 Varsity matches including winning one as captain in 2009.

Stress fracture in his right tibia spelt the end for him. Basically took 3 years out of rugby while studying in the UK and managed to return straight to Tri Nations tests level in the 2 Bledisloe encounters and helped Wallabies claim the Tri Nations last year.

In his 86 Super Rugby appearances and 63 Wallabies caps he has only managed to score one try! Amazing!

[McCloud]

irishtimes.com (http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2012/0911/1224323868185.html) - Last Updated: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 11:26
Tigers' Newby forced to retire




Rugby: Leicester flanker Craig Newby has been forced to retire due to a knee injury. The 33-year-old, who won three New Zealand caps, made 84 appearances for Leicester following his arrival at Welford Road in 2008.


“I’ve made some good mates in England. I love living here and that’s something I want to continue to do,” Newby said. “I would like to stay in rugby in some capacity and coaching does appeal to me.”

[LeakyBoots]

Man, I hate seeing this thread being updated

[PEATB0G]

Ben Woods, the Leicester open side announced his retirement last week too, could a mod update please and thanks? 30 yrs old, wrist injury.


Edit; is there anyway a mod could format the OP to make the lists easier to read, like an excel sheet or something? Possibly with a column for nationality aswell as whoever posted Newby's update thinks it relevant. I simply went with the country the player was playing in when they retired so see if there was anything to look at regarding player welfare in a particular country/League.

[PEATB0G]

Nic Berry, Wasps scrum half, recently announced his retirement due to repeated concussions. 28 yrs old.

http://www.wasps.co.uk/news/Wasps33359.ink

[PEATB0G]

Richard Birkett, Wasps flanker/2nd row, age 33, neck injury.

http://www.wasps.co.uk/news/wasps33400.ink

[Evil Omer]

Can I just make one point here though, it's probably not as big a shock that a guy aged 33 picks up an injury that brings forward his retirement as someone who is 23

[Bromance]

Former Newport-Gwent Dragons Lock/Flanker Hoani MacDonald, age 34, suffered a suspected Heart Attack playing for Southland in the ITM Cup in New Zealand, the former NZ junior and Maori is said to be stable but in an induced Coma

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8180647,00.html

[PEATB0G]

Ben Blair, 33, Knee injury , Agen(France)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20093317

[Bromance]

Ben Blair, 33, Knee injury , Agen(France)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20093317

What a player he was for the Blues!

[lahinch_lass]

From Rabo site: (http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/news/15451.php)
Cardiff Blues have received news that 30-year-old Wales sevens international Richard Mustoe has been forced to retire due to a chronic pelvis injury sustained playing for the region against Treviso earlier this year.

Mustoe started his career at Bridgend RFC before the formation of the Celtic Warriors.

Following the demise of the team Mustoe moved to the Ospreys and had a season long loan spell with the Dragons.

He joined the Cardiff Blues with fellow wing Aled Brew in the Spring of 2008 and scored a hat trick of tries on his debut for the Blues against the Combined Blues Regional Premiership team in August 2008, at Sardis Road
A player that always gave 100% Mustoe's speed and strength always proved dangerous to the opposition with the winger proving a clinical finisher.

Speaking of the decision Mustoe said,
"Playing for the Blues was one of the highlights of my career and I will always be grateful for having the opportunity to represent the region and for the level of support they have shown during my time with them as a player, especially during this recent injury.

"It has been difficult being forced to finish through injury. I've always enjoyed playing rugby, regardless of whether I was a professional or not. I would have continued for as long as possible.

"Fortunately I've been kept busy relocating my business Porthcawl Funeral Services from South Road to New Road Porthcawl which has certainly given me something to focus on."

Looking ahead to the future, Richard looks to spend more time concentrating on the success of his business, which up until now he had run alongside being a full time rugby professional.

"Although I have been full time as rugby professional I have also continued with my career as a funeral director."

"So as far as a career after rugby it was always my intention to continue as an undertaker full time, just maybe not as early as this."

"Through Richard Webster, I have had the opportunity to do some coaching with Maesteg RFC an I am working towards attaining a WRU level 3 coaching award.

"I've enjoyed the experience so far, especially working with Richard Webster, who had a big impact early on in my playing career."

[Evil Omer]

So of the last 3 that's a 30 year old and two guys in mid 30s, as I've said before, whilst it's not good these guys are retiring due to injury this isn't the epidemic of youngsters crashing out of the game that this thread originally sparked discussion around. Players in their 30s take longer to heal, sometimes never properly heal. Are we just not getting the news of the youngsters cos if it's not happening then this isn't actually any different to what has always happened.

[The Outlaw]

So of the last 3 that's a 30 year old and two guys in mid 30s, as I've said before, whilst it's not good these guys are retiring due to injury this isn't the epidemic of youngsters crashing out of the game that this thread originally sparked discussion around. Players in their 30s take longer to heal, sometimes never properly heal. Are we just not getting the news of the youngsters cos if it's not happening then this isn't actually any different to what has always happened.


you could also argue players are better looked after then ever before and its still to no avail

[Evil Omer]

you could also argue players are better looked after then ever before and its still to no avail

you can't look after certain things, like the fact that the older you get the harder it is to heal some types of injuries. Also that you have time, a 22 year old can lose a year and come back and 32 year old can lose a year but the chances are they could be out touch far more by then.

[PEATB0G]

you could also argue players are better looked after then ever before and its still to no avail

Or you could argue that the level of care has only moved at the same pace as the physicality of the sport, assuming the stats show roughly the same amount of retirees.

[lahinch_lass]

I'd make the point the majority of retirement announcements tend to come at the back end of the season when the players have been to see every specialist under the sun before finally calling it quits .. like Fla, Dowling & Wally did. Early in the season retirements aren't all that common unless it's something very obviously career ending.

[Drick]

Hendre Fourie has retired due to a shoulder injury. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20898424

[lahinch_lass]

Scarlets and Wales fullback Morgan Stoddart has announced that he will retire from rugby following the serious leg double fracture he sustained playing for Wales against England in August 2011.

Stoddart has been unable to make a full recovery since sustaining the injury before the 2011 Rugby World Cup, and which subsequently kept him out of the game for the whole of last season.
Stoddart, 28, who has appeared 85 times in a Scarlets shirt and scored 130 points for his regional club has been one of the Scarlets’ most prolific back three players with spells on the wing as well as his favoured fullback position.

[Old Dog]

Hendre Fourie has retired due to a shoulder injury. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20898424

And, although he has 9 full caps for England plus 1 for the Saxons, now the Brits won't let him remain in the country.

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2012-13/rugby/story/175377.html

What a bloody scandal. Brit-hating thugs like Gerry Adams are allowed to be Brits and scum-sucking Islamist fanatics like Abu Quatada are allowed to remain in the UK at the taxpayers' expense, but Hendre must leave.

[the plastic paddy]

And, although he has 9 full caps for England plus 1 for the Saxons, now the Brits won't let him remain in the country.

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2012-13/rugby/story/175377.html

What a bloody scandal. Brit-hating thugs like Gerry Adams are allowed to be Brits and scum-sucking Islamist fanatics like Abu Quatada are allowed to remain in the UK at the taxpayers' expense, but Hendre must leave.That is completely insane although I might possibly be getting the wooden spoon out in the pub this weekend!!!

[Stanley]

It really sounds like bad management by Hendre or his agent on procuring the correct visa/paperwork, am sure the RFU will ride to the rescue if asked, he has been in the UK for 8 years, probably a lot deeper than the report.

[lahinch_lass]

And, although he has 9 full caps for England plus 1 for the Saxons, now the Brits won't let him remain in the country.

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2012-13/rugby/story/175377.html

What a bloody scandal. Brit-hating thugs like Gerry Adams are allowed to be Brits and scum-sucking Islamist fanatics like Abu Quatada are allowed to remain in the UK at the taxpayers' expense, but Hendre must leave.

It's sparked an extensive discussion on Twitter around the IRB eligibility terms.

[Thomond78]

It is a scandal, I'd agree. He'd be entitled to citizenship here. Were I to be cynically opportunist (the heavens forfend, I hear you cry!), I might point out it's not going to hurt the recruitment of Kolpak players for Irish teams, while it won't help that of the AP at all.

[Thomond78]

It's sparked an extensive discussion on Twitter around the IRB eligibility terms.

No link between the two at all. One's a sporting regulation, one's legal status as regards rights of residence.

[John Cooper Clarke]

Stoddard was heavily involved in this wonderful try. Shame he's had to retire so early.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pE8t41TTk

[John Cooper Clarke]

It's sparked an extensive discussion on Twitter around the IRB eligibility terms.

Thanks for the reminder. Just deactivated my Twitter account ;)

[lahinch_lass]

No link between the two at all. One's a sporting regulation, one's legal status as regards rights of residence.

Indeed, but there were people on twitter who weren't aware that citizenship/residency is not a requirement for a rugby player to be selected for a national team .. so the discussion branched accordingly.

[Evil Omer]

Is it not equally raising a question that if you want to represent a country you might want to apply for citizenship of it as well rather than just play for it while retaining a totally different nationality?

[Thomond78]

Is it not equally raising a question that if you want to represent a country you might want to apply for citizenship of it as well rather than just play for it while retaining a totally different nationality?

Ryan Jones, Gray, Dan Cole and Rory Best all have the same citizenship.

[Stanley]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2259470/Hendre-Fourie-told-stay-United-Kingdom.html


A reprieve

[Evil Omer]

Ryan Jones, Gray, Dan Cole and Rory Best all have the same citizenship.

i.e. the relevant one for the nation they are playing for, it doesn't matter that it is the same one as England, Scotland, Wales and (due to dual nature) Ireland use the same citizens.

[lahinch_lass]

It is with regret that Glasgow Warriors announce that back-row forward, the former All Black, Angus MacDonald, is to retire from rugby. MacDonald, who joined the Warriors in the summer prior to the 2012/13 season on a two year deal, has a serious neck injury, which has not yet resolved.

MacDonald said: “It’s a decision every pro athlete has to make at some point and it's one that has come a little earlier than I would have liked due to the nature of the injury. It would have been nice to have played for a few more years but it’s come to the point where the injury is affecting me day to day with my mobility and everyday life so I’ve taken the decision that will give me the best chance of a full recovery.
“I’m gutted that I’ve not been able to pull on the jersey more often for the Warriors but I’d like to thank for the club and Scottish Rugby for the opportunity to play here.
“I’m very thankful to have had the career I’ve had and to have been able to keep playing until I’m 32. I’ve played for some great teams and met some great people and had good fun along the way so there are moments that I’ll treasure.

“I’m going to head back to New Zealand for a few months as I’ve been away from the country for five years but I’ve no doubt I’ll come back and cheer on the boys at Scotstoun in the not too distant future.”
MacDonald made four appearances for the Warriors, with just one start, against Zebre in September.
Gregor Townsend, Glasgow Warriors head coach, said: ““I’d like to thank Angus for his time here at Scotstoun. It’s obviously been a difficult time for him with his neck injury and we never really got to see the best of him, but throughout his time here he has been nothing but a true professional.
“He’s a popular member of the playing squad and the fans appreciate his time and effort off the field so it’s sad to see Angus have to make this decision but we wish him all the best for the future."

[Bromance]

Former England Hooker Lee Mears retires with immediate affect due to abnormality discovered during Cardiac Srceening

[Boo-boo]

Juan Smith a goner too.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8494207,00.html

[Armin Tamzarian]

Juan Smith a goner too.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8494207,00.html

Fine player- unfortunate

[isola ciarrai]

Juan Smith a goner too.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8494207,00.html

Has this got any implications for our player CJ? Just wondering.

[Thomond78]

Ag, Bliksems. :( Best blindside in the world, no question. Shame.

[NotreDameRFC]

Lee Mears has had to pack it in too.

Edit just seen Bromance post

[taz]

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8495161,00.html

Jonathan Kaplan will retire from professional refereeing at the end of the 2013 South African season.

Among Kaplan's list of achievements are: A world record 68 Test matches, as well as 99 Super Rugby matches and 150 Currie Cup matches -bothe records for those competitions.

[mr chips]

Never mind, the likes of Poite will be well able to step up.

[Bromance]

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8495161,00.html

Jonathan Kaplan will retire from professional refereeing at the end of the 2013 South African season.

Among Kaplan's list of achievements are: A world record 68 Test matches, as well as 99 Super Rugby matches and 150 Currie Cup matches -bothe records for those competitions.

Was it him that was diagnosed and beat cancer?

[lahinch_lass]

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8495161,00.html

Jonathan Kaplan will retire from professional refereeing at the end of the 2013 South African season.

Among Kaplan's list of achievements are: A world record 68 Test matches, as well as 99 Super Rugby matches and 150 Currie Cup matches -bothe records for those competitions.

this is NOT retirement due to injury ... AFAIK Joel Jutge is the only ref in modern time who retired due to injury .... constantly tearing hamstrings I think.

[taz]

this is NOT retirement due to injury ... AFAIK Joel Jutge is the only ref in modern time who retired due to injury .... constantly tearing hamstrings I think.
It seemed pointless starting a new thread for the sake of it Miss pedantic.

[the plastic paddy]

this is NOT retirement due to injury ... AFAIK Joel Jutge is the only ref in modern time who retired due to injury .... constantly tearing hamstrings I think.You know how Poite keeps pulling his calf muscles.....

[masterchief]

You know how Poite keeps pulling his calf muscles.....

We can only dream PP

[Waterfordlad]

We live in hope

[lahinch_lass]

It seemed pointless starting a new thread for the sake of it Miss pedantic.
Possibly would have been more appropriate to put the post in the referee appreciation thread .. perchance ?
Of course if you're not a fan of Kaplan then one of the threads where everyone's howling about the ref's.