Your Team for the Boks

[jeepers]

[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.





So remind me of the games this season when we've spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.

I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and thats with the best centre in the world beside him).

PS - remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of defending.

[Benji]

Luke's a fine player but will eventually find himself playing
centre. He was great for the Grand slam -- A long time ago
but he did have an awful injury since. I'd say it was close but
Earls isnt back long enough from his own injury problems to
start.
Pity Horan isnt fit you could play him at 10. Im sure there
would be more line breaks- Wrap arounds and tackling.
Vintner threw his toys out of the pram. Poor coach /tactics in
that game.

[Thomond78]

It's also fair to point out that the ML table would indicate that
the Leinster backline aren't scoring tries at the moment.

Being honest, most of the creativity there is coming from
Nacewa. If they lose him, they're in deep ick.

[Aussiedub]

[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.





So remind me of the games this season when we've spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.




I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and thats with the best centre in the world beside him).

PS - remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of defending.



So the 2 tries we scored by our wingers was a sign of our blunt attack??? Was more our pack getting pushed about that was causing us problems...If you notice the team I said should be picked didn't have Luke on the team and would have had Trimble on the wing ahead of him so why you going on at me about that I don't know...


Vintner was whinging that when we kept them between their 10m line and our 10m line through 30+ phases that no penalty was given...good field position to keep opposition to when they are trying to score a drop goal I thought....Didn't notice LI having to panic too muchdefending to avoid losing to Munster when we saw guys like Buckley getting knocked back by backs close to the line

[sewa]

I love the way Beni dropped the pretence of being fair and balanced once everyone ignored him smileys/lol.gif

[i_like_cake]

I'd hate to get stuck beside those clowns in a long plane journey... moan moan moan moan moan...
does my head in...

I think almost everyone except the moaners agree there seems to be a few tight calls... lets see how they (SOB, Boss, Cullen, Toner, Wallace, Trimble, Varley etc..) get on WHEN they are played in the next Autumn international.... Although by then, the moaners will be moaning about someone else....

I am unsure how MOD will get on against the Boks.. I fear for him, but he is in the form of his life.. If he is gonna perform well, now is the time for him.... lets see how he performs...

[Benji]

I love the way Beni dropped the pretence of
being fair and balanced once everyone ignored him
smileys/lol.gif*

Sewa, I'm always trying to be fair and balanced but
sometimes it gets the better of me. Hard to not respond to
some of the repetitive sh**e.
But Im having a nice day thanks

[jeepers]

Luke's a fine player but will eventually find himself playing

centre. He was great for the Grand slam -- A long time ago

but he did have an awful injury since. I'd say it was close but

Earls isnt back long enough from his own injury problems to

start.

Pity Horan isnt fit you could play him at 10. Im sure there

would be more line breaks- Wrap arounds and tackling.

Vintner threw his toys out of the pram. Poor coach /tactics in

that game.





He hasn't played international rugby since his injury. Those 2 trys were scored against Italy during his 'great' GS!

I'm not having a go at Luke as I rate him highly - at least ROG makes an effort to tackle, he (just like Luke with trys) isn't very good at it. If comparing the two situations, I'd say it is considerably worse having a winger who can't score trys but can tackle, than having an outhalf who can organise an attack but isn't the best defender in the world.

[Benji]

Jeepers Its very hard to compare players like that but I get
ya. Luke needs to step up but Ive no doubt its in him but
maybe more at centre. But hopefully most of the questions
and debate will be answered in the next few weeks.

[jeepers]

[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.





So remind me of the games this season when we've spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.




I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and thats with the best centre in the world beside him).

PS - remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of defending.



So the 2 tries we scored by our wingers was a sign of our blunt attack??? Was more our pack getting pushed about that was causing us problems...If you notice the team I said should be picked didn't have Luke on the team and would have had Trimble on the wing ahead of him so why you going on at me about that I don't know...


Vintner was whinging that when we kept them between their 10m line and our 10m line through 30+ phases that no penalty was given...good field position to keep opposition to when they are trying to score a drop goal I thought....Didn't notice LI having to panic too muchdefending to avoid losing to Munster when we saw guys like Buckley getting knocked back by backs close to the line

We were going to lose the England game until ROG came on (and in the 10 minutes on Ireland scored a try). He also got his kicks which helped no end in improving the scoreline smileys/wink.gif

I just checked scrum com for the tackling stats. Leinster made 147 to Saracens 81. You will be shocked to know that the Leinster No. 7, Mr Shane Jennings spent most of his time tackling (Making 17 and missing 2). O'Brien & Heaslip were not far behind. It seems the Leinster backrow give the Leinster backs an easy ride.

Hope Wallace can pick up where Jennings left off looking out for young Sexton. smileys/wink.gif

PS - not going on about Luke before Trimble. Just illustrating the point that Luke gets the call up despite a fairly obvious deficiency in his game.

[JoeyFantastic]

[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although
TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly
entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggest*decision here was at 10 where DK decided
to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope
that he will come good.*To give him the best chance
possible he went with a 9 who*he is used to playing with.
Neither are form selections but they were picked to
develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.
**





So remind me of the games this season when we've
spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to
perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf
who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.


I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest
and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came
on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With
most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel
gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability
a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine
having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and
thats with the best centre in the world beside him).PS -
remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the
Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of
defending.*


So the 2 tries we scored by our wingers was a sign of
our blunt attack??? Was more our pack getting pushed
about that was causing us problems...If you notice the
team I said should be picked didn't have Luke on the team
and would have had Trimble on the wing ahead of him so
why you going on at me about that I don't know...


Vintner was whinging that when we kept them between
their 10m line and our 10m line through 30+ phases that
no penalty was given...good field position to keep
opposition to when they are trying to score a drop goal I
thought....Didn't notice LI having to panic too
much*defending to avoid losing to Munster when we saw
guys like Buckley getting knocked back by backs close to
the lineWe were going to lose the England
game until ROG came on (and in the 10 minutes on Ireland
scored a try). He also got his kicks which helped no end in
improving the scoreline smileys/wink.gifI just checked scrum com for the
tackling stats. Leinster made 147 to Saracens 81. You will
be shocked to know that the Leinster No. 7, Mr Shane
Jennings spent most of his time tackling (Making 17 and
missing 2). O'Brien & Heaslip were not far behind. It seems
the Leinster backrow give the Leinster backs an easy ride.
Hope Wallace can pick up where Jennings left off looking
out for young Sexton. smileys/wink.gifPS - not going on about Luke
before Trimble. Just illustrating the point that Luke gets the
call up despite a fairly obvious deficiency in his
game.

Be careful Jeepers, you're making a lot of assumptions,
particularly that Aussiedub actually watches the games.

[Aussiedub]

[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.





So remind me of the games this season when we've spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.




I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and thats with the best centre in the world beside him).

PS - remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of defending.



So the 2 tries we scored by our wingers was a sign of our blunt attack??? Was more our pack getting pushed about that was causing us problems...If you notice the team I said should be picked didn't have Luke on the team and would have had Trimble on the wing ahead of him so why you going on at me about that I don't know...


Vintner was whinging that when we kept them between their 10m line and our 10m line through 30+ phases that no penalty was given...good field position to keep opposition to when they are trying to score a drop goal I thought....Didn't notice LI having to panic too muchdefending to avoid losing to Munster when we saw guys like Buckley getting knocked back by backs close to the line




We were going to lose the England game until ROG came on (and in the 10 minutes on Ireland scored a try). He also got his kicks which helped no end in improving the scoreline smileys/wink.gif

I just checked scrum com for the tackling stats. Leinster made 147 to Saracens 81. You will be shocked to know that the Leinster No. 7, Mr Shane Jennings spent most of his time tackling (Making 17 and missing 2). O'Brien & Heaslip were not far behind. It seems the Leinster backrow give the Leinster backs an easy ride.

Hope Wallace can pick up where Jennings left off looking out for young Sexton. smileys/wink.gif

PS - not going on about Luke before Trimble. Just illustrating the point that Luke gets the call up despite a fairly obvious deficiency in his game.






Yeah but where were the tackles being made though??? Most of them were outside our 10m line rather than inside our 22 which shows even with getting hammered by the ref we were playing territory well enough....and Sexton comfortably made his 7 tackles without missing any so didn't need any help while scoring his 25 points.....


Joey - Some of the games I've seen were scores like this, maybe they sound familiar...13-9, 16-6, 15-16, 30-0, 25-6.....no tries for the losing teams

[Brian9848]

Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.

So, the conservative pick was Sexton over ROG? Sexton's form is fine. There may be a few people who'd argue that ROG deserves selection over Sexton, but they are few. Sexton gets his backline moving better, frees up space and fixes the drift by attacking the line himself and is a much better defensive player. Under the new interpretations, Sexton is the better option.

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

....I could go on and on....

Whay change the habit of a lifetime? smileys/lol.gif

[Speycaster]

....I could go on and on....

Whay change the habit of a lifetime? smileys/lol.gif



MR...........Is that Frank Murphy in your Avatar? Are you a closet Connacht fan quietlyobjecting to DK's conservative pichs at scrumhalf?smileys/wink.gif

[mtcmolloy]

jeje..
I'm non biased viz a viz Sexton RoG debate.. For me the clincher is how JS played when he came on v munster. His interventions a couple of times were class. I've been impressed and surprised with him at various points.
RoG has been a class act, I'm a fan of his passing more than anything, but when you add in the tackling, you just can't argue against sexton. He's the coming man, nobody can deny it. And I'm personally delighted he has 'arrived' when it looked for a while like nobody would. It galls me a little how this country produces so few good footballing rugby players. Consider the crisis couple of years back (rwc 2007?) over who would kick if we had to resort to wallace at 10.. ffs lads.. Get out on the paddock with the kicking tee.

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

MR...........Is that Frank Murphy in your Avatar? Are you a closet Connacht fan quietlyobjecting to DK's conservative pichs at scrumhalf?smileys/wink.gif

God no. Frank has a certain ethnic look about him ok, but the avatar is none other than the fabled I-Zheet M'drurz!!smileys/lol.gif

[Random_punter]

I just read in the Irish times that SA are missing John Smit, Andries Bekker, Fourie du Preez, Butch James, Heinrich
Brussow, Gurthro Steekamp, BJ Botha, Jaque Fourie, Wynand
Olivier, JP Pietersen, Ricky Januarie, Juan de Jongh and Schalk Burger.

And Jean de Villiers and Willem Alberts are doubts.




Looking forward to seeing their team sheet, they seem to be in the same position we were over the summer in Aus.

[JoeyFantastic]

[QUOTE=jeepers]
[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although
TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly
entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggest*decision here was at 10 where DK decided
to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope
that he will come good.*To give him the best chance
possible he went with a 9 who*he is used to playing with.
Neither are form selections but they were picked to
develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.
**





So remind me of the games this season when we've
spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to
perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf
who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.


I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest
and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came
on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With
most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel
gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability
a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine
having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and
thats with the best centre in the world beside him).PS -
remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the
Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of
defending.*


So the 2 tries we scored by our wingers was a sign of
our blunt attack??? Was more our pack getting pushed
about that was causing us problems...If you notice the
team I said should be picked didn't have Luke on the team
and would have had Trimble on the wing ahead of him so
why you going on at me about that I don't know...


Vintner was whinging that when we kept them between
their 10m line and our 10m line through 30+ phases that
no penalty was given...good field position to keep
opposition to when they are trying to score a drop goal I
thought....Didn't notice LI having to panic too
much*defending to avoid losing to Munster when we saw
guys like Buckley getting knocked back by backs close to
the line


We were going to lose the England game until
ROG came on (and in the 10 minutes on Ireland scored a
try). He also got his kicks which helped no end in improving
the scoreline smileys/wink.gifI just checked scrum com for the tackling
stats. Leinster made 147 to Saracens 81. You will be
shocked to know that the Leinster No. 7, Mr Shane Jennings
spent most of his time tackling (Making 17 and missing 2).
O'Brien & Heaslip were not far behind. It seems the
Leinster backrow give the Leinster backs an easy ride.
Hope Wallace can pick up where Jennings left off looking
out for young Sexton. smileys/wink.gifPS - not going on about Luke
before Trimble. Just illustrating the point that Luke gets the
call up despite a fairly obvious deficiency in his
game.


Yeah but where were the tackles being made though???
Most of them were outside our 10m line rather than inside
our 22 which shows even with getting hammered by the ref
we were playing territory well enough....and Sexton
comfortably made his 7 tackles without missing any so
didn't need any help while scoring his 25 points.....


Joey - Some of the games I've seen were scores like
this, maybe they sound

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

Just re-enforcing my belief you only watch Leinster when

they play Munster and even then only so you can come on

here, why that would be is still unclear to me. Who even

asked where the tackles were being made, the point was

Leinster were defending. I know you work in the goalpost-

moving industry but ever think it's time to change careers?

Agreed. A very low level and blatant wummer.

[99_oK?]

...........


Yeah but where were the tackles being made though??? Most of them were outside our 10m line rather than inside our 22 which shows even with getting hammered by the ref we were playing territory well enough....and Sexton comfortably made his 7 tackles without missing any so didn't need any help while scoring his 25 points.....


....





What is your point A D? I thought Sarries obvious weaknesses were well outlined by Schmidt's savvy response after the game. Sarries were one-dimensional and had no ideas except to go over and back across the pitch in the hope of getting a penalty (which they would probably miss....). It was a good result for Leinster if not a great performance. Leinster aren't playing great rugby and it's due to a munber of factors (injuries being an obvious one), but at the same time there are only a small number of players actually playing consistently well - Hines, Heaslip, Nacewa and more recently Plug and Sexton (I mentioned the injuries...). That's not to say Leinster won't find form later on, but then again we have no sure way of predicting the future either.


As for Munster - going OK for this part of the season and looking better than we have in a few years. OK we didn't perform in one or 2 games and we left the LI game after us (stupid decisionsnot to take the points on offer... - on which I posted way earlier). That said we won for the first time in ages in Ravenhill despite missing 22 front-line players, and it was down to traditional Munster values and fielding a balanced team of experience and rookies who did perform on the night (OK the score at the end flattered us...).


So what has this to do with the best team for the Boks, rest of AIs and going forward to 6N (& WC)?


I'm not sure either, except that we could see the improvement in all aspects of our play when a real SH (not 'converted' winger)was brought in. We could see what a good captain and leader Micko was/is. We see how good our b-rows (starting with Wally) really are. How some of our guys coming through (Varley, Ryan, Nagle, Deasy, etc) are really progressing. Of course not forgetting the old stalwarts like Dougie (Ok ineligible), Quinny, RoG, etc still performing at the required standard.


Deccie has been fairly predictable and conservative in his pick for the Boks - not unexpected. If people don't/can't perform v BoksI'd expect others to be given the nod for the remaining games. I'd also expect him to give some fringe/emerging players some game-time. He's learning from every game (& training session) and he's be the first to admit he doesn't have all the questions nevermind the answers. But he'll do his best irrespective of the background of the guys he goes with. That we expect; seems some don't see it like that (glasses of various hues....).


Clean your glasses please... smileys/wink.gif

[Hugonaut]

...........


Yeah but where were the tackles being made though??? Most of them were outside our 10m line rather than inside our 22 which shows even with getting hammered by the ref we were playing territory well enough....and Sexton comfortably made his 7 tackles without missing any so didn't need any help while scoring his 25 points.....


....





What is your point A D? I thought Sarries obvious weaknesses were well outlined by Schmidt's savvy response after the game. Sarries were one-dimensional and had no ideas except to go over and back across the pitch in the hope of getting a penalty (which they would probably miss....). It was a good result for Leinster if not a great performance. Leinster aren't playing great rugby and it's due to a munber of factors (injuries being an obvious one), but at the same time there are only a small number of players actually playing consistently well - Hines, Heaslip, Nacewa and more recently Plug and Sexton (I mentioned the injuries...).


Because Sean O'Brien and Richardt Strauss aren't playing well?

Along with Heaslip and Nacewa, those two have been Leinster's best players. Sean O'Brien has actually been the best Leinster player this season to date – very few Leinster fans would argue. Tell me that you've just forgotten about those two, not that you don't recognise the good form they have been in ...

[The Outlaw]

Winning with a single late try at home is pissing all over us?


5 winsin a row though Sewa. Thats surely pissing over you. Maybe Walter Mitty really does live in Sewaland.


Usual b****x between Leinster and Munster fans ruins another thread.

[Thorns]

Just re-enforcing my belief you only watch Leinster when
they play Munster and even then only so you can come on
here, why that would be is still unclear to me. Who even
asked where the tackles were being made, the point was
Leinster were defending. I know you work in the goalpost-
moving industry but ever think it's time to change careers?

Agreed. A very low level and blatant wummer.






+1 if ppl would just ignore him and dont let yourselves be wound up....neway we all know leinster are rubbishsmileys/biggrin.gif

[kahalui]

Like most on here, im a big DK fan. He knows the players very well and has the trophies to put any of our arguments to bed, nevertheless, there's no denying he's been a little conservative for the AIs and Summer tours down under since he's been in charge. Should 'playing experience' and leadership qualities be the sole
justificiation/argument for playing the old favourites? Has our squad development been hindered in any way?

DKs dilema- On the one hand, even though these INTLs are 'nothing' games, a win against teams like SA cant be underestimated when it comes to player confidence and belief. Some mentioned the entertainment value as well due to the bigger ticket sales for the following matches if the win is achieved..
On the other hand, by not including some of the in-form players against the bigger teams for the INTL series, are we slowing down the whole squad-building process? Is it the same seeing them perform against Samoa? When push comes to shove Kidney seems to go with experience rather than form.

Just to compare.... A lot of us were depressed on here towards the end of last season and voiced our anger about our lack of strength in depth, but look how much Munster has improved through 'forced' squad building over the last few months. Due to injury/bannings/intl selection duties, McG & Co. have been obliged to start giving the fringe/2nd/3rd choice players a proper shot and who can say it hasnt paid off? Some have arguably overtaken the 1st 15ers.. we've developed some new players but more importantly we learned a lot more about who can play in what position or who can and cant be counted on.


-Varley is more than stiff competition for the hooker spot.

-MOD was in the form of his life against Toulon. Can he keep it up?

-We've seen a lot more of DR, but he hasnt convinced and questions still remain whether he'll make the required standard

-Couglan is well capable at ML or HC level

-Stringer is back playing well and arguably the in-form SH in Ireland atm.

-Duncan Williams has looked very promising in his recent cameo appearances and i hope we see more of him sooner rather than later.

-J Murphy has played FB, wing and centre and has been essential in our wins to date.

-Nagle was on fire the other day and if he keeps it up he'll be more than an option in the future.

-Buckley has also come on since he's been getting proper gametime. He spent most of last year/season coming on as a sub for the last 10mins. He's 31 now btw.

-Deasy doesnt seem to have what it takes to be a FB and needs to be tried at IC.

-Denis Hurley has also shown up very well, though im not sure he wouldnt have been included if everyone had been available.

- I havent seen too much of Sherry but from reading the post match posts on here its seems he's another one who's stepping up to the plate.


Who knows..?? we might have won the HC last year if we had a full squad of players available but we wouldnt know most of the above. Our squad depth speaks for itself and as soon as we have guys like POC back we'll be in a much better position than last year. A lot of posters on here said our team against Toulon was one of the worst munster HC team in years- so how did we pull off that performance?

Teams like Australia have really demonstrated what proper squad-building can achieve. Look at the ages of their of their game winners
O'Connor is 20, Cooper 23, Genia 22, Beale 21.. arguably the best backline in the world atm

Anyway, i think there's a bit too much focus placed on our best 1st 15 and preparation for the upcoming WC.
We're not going to win it so I think our priority should be the 6N first and foremost. We have a good chance of winning our 2nd GS in 60 odd years in a few months time.

[The Outlaw]

Like most on here, im a big DK fan. He knows the players very well and has the trophies to put any of our arguments to bed, nevertheless, there's no denying he's been a little conservative for the AIs and Summer tours down under since he's been in charge. Should 'playing experience' and leadership qualities be the sole justificiation/argument for playing the old favourites? Has our squad development been hindered in any way?

DKs dilema- On the one hand, even though these INTLs are 'nothing' games, a win against teams like SA cant be underestimated when it comes to player confidence and belief. Some mentioned the entertainment value as well due to the bigger ticket sales for the following matches if the win is achieved..
On the other hand, by not including some of the in-form players against the bigger teams for the INTL series, are we slowing down the whole squad-building process? Is it the same seeing them perform against Samoa? When push comes to shove Kidney seems to go with experience rather than form.

Just to compare.... A lot of us were depressed on here towards the end of last season and voiced our anger about our lack of strength in depth, but look how much Munster has improved through 'forced' squad building over the last few months. Due to injury/bannings/intl selection duties, McG & Co. have been obliged to start giving the fringe/2nd/3rd choice players a proper shot and who can say it hasnt paid off? Some have arguably overtaken the 1st 15ers.. we've developed some new players but more importantly we learned a lot more about who can play in what position or who can and cant be counted on.


-Varley is more than stiff competition for the hooker spot.

-MOD was in the form of his life against Toulon. Can he keep it up?

-We've seen a lot more of DR, but he hasnt convinced and questions still remain whether he'll make the required standard

-Couglan is well capable at ML or HC level

-Stringer is back playing well and arguably the in-form SH in Ireland atm.

-Duncan Williams has looked very promising in his recent cameo appearances and i hope we see more of him sooner rather than later.

-J Murphy has played FB, wing and centre and has been essential in our wins to date.

-Nagle was on fire the other day and if he keeps it up he'll be more than an option in the future.

-Buckley has also come on since he's been getting proper gametime. He spent most of last year/season coming on as a sub for the last 10mins. He's 31 now btw.

-Deasy doesnt seem to have what it takes to be a FB and needs to be tried at IC.

-Denis Hurley has also shown up very well, though im not sure he wouldnt have been included if everyone had been available.

- I havent seen too much of Sherry but from reading the post match posts on here its seems he's another one who's stepping up to the plate.


Who knows..?? we might have won the HC last year if we had a full squad of players available but we wouldnt know most of the above. Our squad depth speaks for itself and as soon as we have guys like POC back we'll be in a much better position than last year. A lot of posters on here said our team against Toulon was one of the worst munster HC team in years- so how did we pull off that performance?

Teams like Australia have really demonstrated what proper squad-building can achieve. Look at the ages of their of their game winners
O'Connor is 20, Cooper 23, Genia 22, Beale 21.. arguably the best backline in the world atm

Anyway, i think there's a bit too much focus placed on our best 1st 15 and preparation for the upcoming WC.
We're not going to win it so I think our priority should be the 6N first and foremost. We have a good chance of winning our 2nd GS in 60 odd years in a few months time.





SOB is 23 and has 3 caps. Never started an international yet. Simply beggars belief he isnt in the 22 based on current form.

[Call999]

This thread has been turned into a real SOB story by a pack of Wallies

[jeepers]

SOB is 23 and has 3 caps. Never started an international yet. Simply beggars belief he isnt in the 22 based on current form.

How does it begger belief?
Even Richie McCaw had a few starts against the lesser nations (3 against Ireland, 1 Scotland, 1 Argentina, 1 Australia) before he got his chance to start against South Africa (and that was with several underage international awards).

That was back in the day when Ireland were way down the pecking order as well.

[Speycaster]

Like most on here, im a big DK fan. He knows the players very well and has the trophies to put any of our arguments to bed, nevertheless, there's no denying he's been a little conservative for the AIs and Summer tours down under since he's been in charge. Should 'playing experience' and leadership qualities be the sole justificiation/argument for playing the old favourites? Has our squad development been hindered in any way?

DKs dilema- On the one hand, even though these INTLs are 'nothing' games, a win against teams like SA cant be underestimated when it comes to player confidence and belief. Some mentioned the entertainment value as well due to the bigger ticket sales for the following matches if the win is achieved..
On the other hand, by not including some of the in-form players against the bigger teams for the INTL series, are we slowing down the whole squad-building process? Is it the same seeing them perform against Samoa? When push comes to shove Kidney seems to go with experience rather than form.

Just to compare.... A lot of us were depressed on here towards the end of last season and voiced our anger about our lack of strength in depth, but look how much Munster has improved through 'forced' squad building over the last few months. Due to injury/bannings/intl selection duties, McG & Co. have been obliged to start giving the fringe/2nd/3rd choice players a proper shot and who can say it hasnt paid off? Some have arguably overtaken the 1st 15ers.. we've developed some new players but more importantly we learned a lot more about who can play in what position or who can and cant be counted on.


-Varley is more than stiff competition for the hooker spot.

-MOD was in the form of his life against Toulon. Can he keep it up?

-We've seen a lot more of DR, but he hasnt convinced and questions still remain whether he'll make the required standard

-Couglan is well capable at ML or HC level

-Stringer is back playing well and arguably the in-form SH in Ireland atm.

-Duncan Williams has looked very promising in his recent cameo appearances and i hope we see more of him sooner rather than later.

-J Murphy has played FB, wing and centre and has been essential in our wins to date.

-Nagle was on fire the other day and if he keeps it up he'll be more than an option in the future.

-Buckley has also come on since he's been getting proper gametime. He spent most of last year/season coming on as a sub for the last 10mins. He's 31 now btw.

-Deasy doesnt seem to have what it takes to be a FB and needs to be tried at IC.

-Denis Hurley has also shown up very well, though im not sure he wouldnt have been included if everyone had been available.

- I havent seen too much of Sherry but from reading the post match posts on here its seems he's another one who's stepping up to the plate.


Who knows..?? we might have won the HC last year if we had a full squad of players available but we wouldnt know most of the above. Our squad depth speaks for itself and as soon as we have guys like POC back we'll be in a much better position than last year. A lot of posters on here said our team against Toulon was one of the worst munster HC team in years- so how did we pull off that performance?

Teams like Australia have really demonstrated what proper squad-building can achieve. Look at the ages of their of their game winners
O'Connor is 20, Cooper 23, Genia 22, Beale 21.. arguably the best backline in the world atm

Anyway, i think there's a bit too much focus placed on our best 1st 15 and preparation for the upcoming WC.
We're not going to win it so I think our priority should be the 6N first and foremost. We have a good chance of winning our 2nd GS in 60 odd years in a few months time.





SOB is 23 and has 3 caps. Never started an international yet. Simply beggars belief he isnt in the 22 based on current form.





It was DK who sta

[The Outlaw]

[QUOTE=kahalui]Like most on here, im a big DK fan. He knows the players very well and has the trophies to put any of our arguments to bed, nevertheless, there's no denying he's been a little conservative for the AIs and Summer tours down under since he's been in charge. Should 'playing experience' and leadership qualities be the sole justificiation/argument for playing the old favourites? Has our squad development been hindered in any way?

DKs dilema- On the one hand, even though these INTLs are 'nothing' games, a win against teams like SA cant be underestimated when it comes to player confidence and belief. Some mentioned the entertainment value as well due to the bigger ticket sales for the following matches if the win is achieved..
On the other hand, by not including some of the in-form players against the bigger teams for the INTL series, are we slowing down the whole squad-building process? Is it the same seeing them perform against Samoa? When push comes to shove Kidney seems to go with experience rather than form.

Just to compare.... A lot of us were depressed on here towards the end of last season and voiced our anger about our lack of strength in depth, but look how much Munster has improved through 'forced' squad building over the last few months. Due to injury/bannings/intl selection duties, McG & Co. have been obliged to start giving the fringe/2nd/3rd choice players a proper shot and who can say it hasnt paid off? Some have arguably overtaken the 1st 15ers.. we've developed some new players but more importantly we learned a lot more about who can play in what position or who can and cant be counted on.


-Varley is more than stiff competition for the hooker spot.

-MOD was in the form of his life against Toulon. Can he keep it up?

-We've seen a lot more of DR, but he hasnt convinced and questions still remain whether he'll make the required standard

-Couglan is well capable at ML or HC level

-Stringer is back playing well and arguably the in-form SH in Ireland atm.

-Duncan Williams has looked very promising in his recent cameo appearances and i hope we see more of him sooner rather than later.

-J Murphy has played FB, wing and centre and has been essential in our wins to date.

-Nagle was on fire the other day and if he keeps it up he'll be more than an option in the future.

-Buckley has also come on since he's been getting proper gametime. He spent most of last year/season coming on as a sub for the last 10mins. He's 31 now btw.

-Deasy doesnt seem to have what it takes to be a FB and needs to be tried at IC.

-Denis Hurley has also shown up very well, though im not sure he wouldnt have been included if everyone had been available.

- I havent seen too much of Sherry but from reading the post match posts on here its seems he's another one who's stepping up to the plate.


Who knows..?? we might have won the HC last year if we had a full squad of players available but we wouldnt know most of the above. Our squad depth speaks for itself and as soon as we have guys like POC back we'll be in a much better position than last year. A lot of posters on here said our team against Toulon was one of the worst munster HC team in years- so how did we pull off that performance?

Teams like Australia have really demonstrated what proper squad-building can achieve. Look at the ages of their of their game winners
O'Connor is 20, Cooper 23, Genia 22, Beale 21.. arguably the best backline in the world atm

Anyway, i think there's a bit too much focus placed on our best 1st 15 and preparation for the upcoming WC.
We're not going to win it so I think our priority should be the 6N first and foremost. We have a good chance of winning our 2nd GS in 60 odd years in a few months time.





SOB is 23 and has 3 caps. Never started an international yet. Simply beggars belief he isnt in the 22 based on current form.



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[sewa]

Jeepers, I didnt see Ollie Le Roux, CJ, Stan or Rocky in it when they <S&#079;NG>p*ssed all over us earlier this year</S&#079;NG>.


Just for Outlawwho needs additional classes from TT smileys/lol.gif.


P.s. reading the threads helps a lot

[Speycaster]

The bottom line Outlawis that I have more faith in Declan Kidney than you obviously do. I will reserve judgement on him wrt this 4 game series until the series is completed, you prefer to crucify him now, 3 days before the 4 game series begins.


That's fine, opinions differ and I suppose I'd probably be bitter and twisted too if Michael Bradley had been coaching my Province.

[RichardP]

What's your definition of form Outlaw?


Is it the last game? The last two games? The last 10 games? A whole season? How far back does it stretch?


Does it include all competitions or only specific ones? Do you award performance points per game? Do you weight the points based on the opposition? Do you take into consideration the players supporting your candidate? Do you factor injuries into your form scale, recovery from inury, a players past levels of consistent performance, a players improvement graph? Do you take any psychological factors into account? How about experience? Do player combinations enter the equation?


Or is it just a general opinion based on watching games without serious, in depth analysis? Serious question in hopes of a serious answer.

[The Outlaw]

What's your definition of form Outlaw?


Is it the last game? The last two games? The last 10 games? A whole season? How far back does it stretch?


Does it include all competitions or only specific ones? Do you award performance points per game? Do you weight the points based on the opposition? Do you take into consideration the players supporting your candidate? Do you factor injuries into your form scale, recovery from inury, a players past levels of consistent performance, a players improvement graph? Do you take any psychological factors into account? How about experience? Do player combinations enter the equation?


Or is it just a general opinion based on watching games without serious, in depth analysis? Serious question in hopes of a serious answer.





In an era where you guys are saying we have unpredecented strength in depth we decide not to pick on form. I do rate Kidney as a head coach but I really believe he's lost his way in the last 12 months. You have to reward players like SOB when playing at the top of their game.


MOD is in form and was selected - no problem. Buckley the same. Even Leamy and Stringer.- no problem


However all of Ross, Toner and SOB are playing extremely well and didnt make the 22. And were all dropped for players who arent playing anywhere near as well as they are.


SOB has played better then Leamy and Ferris this year. You could argue he's up against a top class performer in Wallace who I definitely wouldnt drop. But he's played better at 6 this season for Leinster then either of the other two- should be on the bench minimum.


I dont get the Ross selection when playing a scrummaging team like SA.


The Donncha Ryan one is a mystery. Toner must be doing his nut over that one.


This is the big game of the 4 because its the one we can win. We're not going to beat the All Blacks. I believe we'll learn nothing in that game- just that we will be re-inforced with the reasons why we never beat the all-blacks.


Samoa is amickey mouse game lets be honest about it.Argentina isnt far behind it with their fall from grace recently.


Overall we'll win 3 out of 4 I'd bet but whether we'll actually improve squad is debatable. Games against Samoa are not international standard games per se. All this has proven is that we dont really have a whole lot of depth despite the waffle from Thornley, Toland and Flanders.

[Leinster_Lad]

I think it's a joke that Mick O'Driscoll or David Wallace are starting, for example.

What benefit of any kind can these bring? On form, Toner, Cullen &amp; Ryan would all be better picks in the second row and O'Brien and Leamy (and Jennings) would be better picks in the back-row, so why pick players who will be at most squad players come world cup time, instead of giving players who will need the experience at the world cup nothing??

It's crazy.

It's not all about winning, it's about learning. I'd rather O'Brien got a serious physical battle now and knew what to expect in a crunch world cup game against Australia, rather than either sticking with the too old and not good enough players at the world cup ahead of young and talented, or giving young and talented the nod, but never give them the experience to prepare...

I think Cronin could have done with a start on this basis alone also...

I hate the conservative Irish coaching policy. Maybe it's blazers interfering? If Cullen / Toner and O'Brien had gotten starts (like they should have based on form imo), that would mean ten Leinster players in the starting 15, 1 Ulster / Connacht based on Hooker choice, one Osprey and three Munster ... is that a bridge too far for the blazers to stomach??

Cause based on form and forward planning, that's what it should be.

Also, RE: Leinster backs not scoring tries based on Magners League table, this is true, but Shane Horgan, Eoin O'Malley, Fergus McFadden, Andrew Conway, Paul O'Donohue etc. arene't starting for Ireland...sooo just because they play for the same team, doesn't mean the lads picked for Ireland are to blame for things they weren't on the pitch for...look at the Heineken Cup pool table to see these guys, you'll see a bonus point win over the top placed top 14 team in there...not bad imo.

[sewa]

Weshould take this Canadian seriously. Please post your phone numberso DK can ring you

[jeepers]

I think it's a joke that Mick O'Driscoll or David Wallace are starting, for example.

What benefit of any kind can these bring? On form, Toner, Cullen &amp; Ryan would all be better picks in the second row and O'Brien and Leamy (and Jennings) would be better picks in the back-row, so why pick players who will be at most squad players come world cup time, instead of giving players who will need the experience at the world cup nothing??

It's crazy.

It's not all about winning, it's about learning. I'd rather O'Brien got a serious physical battle now and knew what to expect in a crunch world cup game against Australia, rather than either sticking with the too old and not good enough players at the world cup ahead of young and talented, or giving young and talented the nod, but never give them the experience to prepare...

I think Cronin could have done with a start on this basis alone also...

I hate the conservative Irish coaching policy. Maybe it's blazers interfering? If Cullen / Toner and O'Brien had gotten starts (like they should have based on form imo), that would mean ten Leinster players in the starting 15, 1 Ulster / Connacht based on Hooker choice, one Osprey and three Munster ... is that a bridge too far for the blazers to stomach??

Cause based on form and forward planning, that's what it should be.

Also, RE: Leinster backs not scoring tries based on Magners League table, this is true, but Shane Horgan, Eoin O'Malley, Fergus McFadden, Andrew Conway, Paul O'Donohue etc. arene't starting for Ireland...sooo just because they play for the same team, doesn't mean the lads picked for Ireland are to blame for things they weren't on the pitch for...look at the Heineken Cup pool table to see these guys, you'll see a bonus point win over the top placed top 14 team in there...not bad imo.



Cullen came on against Saracens and first thing he did was give away a penalty and nearly lost you the game. I'm not too sure the blazers would be up for that kind of form. smileys/wink.gif

PS - it seems to have escaped your notice, but the only back to score a try against Racing Metro that is starting for Ireland was Kearney. (McFaddan also scored a try). The rest were scored by forwards. Sorry to burst your bubble &amp; all about the free scoring Leinster/Ireland backline smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif. Oh, and Leinster played Racing, not Toulouse (who are topping the Top 14).

[McCloud]

Why bother responding to a wum?

[Yatenga]

If Cullen had played a little more he would definitely be in line for a spot but he just couldn't be up to the pace now. MOD has played a lot more rugby and is in good form so really not that controversial a choice. And no way Ryan, not on current form
I think Wallace is lucky to be in there: O'Brien looks like he has what it takes and is playing well right now - really think this is over conservatism by Kidney. That said, Wallace has never really left Ireland down
Would have also liked to see Cronin get a run but he'll get his chance later, and hopefully in one of the big games

Ireland: 15 Robert Kearney, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Brian
O'Driscoll (c), 12 Gordon D'Arcy, 11 Luke Fitzgerald, 10
Jonathan Sexton, 9 Eoin Reddan, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David
Wallace, 6 Stephen Ferris, 5 Mick O'Driscoll, 4 Donncha
O'Callaghan, 3 Tony Buckley, 2 Rory Best, 1 Cian Healy.
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 Tom Court, 18
Donnacha Ryan, 19 Denis Leamy, 20 Peter Stringer, 21
Ronan O'Gara, 22 Keith Earls.


Bearing in mind who else we play that's an interesting
selection. You'd have to figure we're going to experiment
across the 4 games and also we're going to select
strongest side for NZ. We need to get something, even if a
closely run loss, against SA and NZ.

[Aussiedub]

[/QUOTE]

Just re-enforcing my belief you only watch Leinster when
they play Munster and even then only so you can come on
here, why that would be is still unclear to me. Who even
asked where the tackles were being made, the point was
Leinster were defending. I know you work in the goalpost-
moving industry but ever think it's time to change careers?[/QUOTE]


No I watch all HC matches and most ML games but yes the Munster games are important as it's competing against the major rivals at home and major rivals for the green jersey.


I just find it funny how no matter how many times Leinster beat Munster or do better in a season it's noticeable how lots of Leinster players are seen as inferior (Healy can't scrum, Ross can only scrum, Toner is useless, Reddan is no good, Sexton is not in form etc)....Yes Leinster had a few poor results at the start when missing nearly all their main players in away games but won at home and won both HC games.


I don't know how it is wumming when saying that younger players who have performed really well and actually beaten the opponent for the jersey quite comfortably should be picked especially when it comes to boosting the squad for the RWC....I notice that no-one picks up on me saying that the team should have included Varley ahead of Best, Wallace ahead of Darcy, Earls ahead of BOD, Trimble ahead of Fitzgerald but accuses me of wumming when I say Munster players shouldn't be picked.

[inglorious]

I think it's a joke that Mick O'Driscoll or David Wallace are starting, for example.

What benefit of any kind can these bring? On form, Toner, Cullen &amp; Ryan would all be better picks in the second row and O'Brien and Leamy (and Jennings) would be better picks in the back-row, so why pick players who will be at most squad players come world cup time, instead of giving players who will need the experience at the world cup nothing??

It's crazy.

It's not all about winning, it's about learning. I'd rather O'Brien got a serious physical battle now and knew what to expect in a crunch world cup game against Australia, rather than either sticking with the too old and not good enough players at the world cup ahead of young and talented, or giving young and talented the nod, but never give them the experience to prepare...

I think Cronin could have done with a start on this basis alone also...

I hate the conservative Irish coaching policy. Maybe it's blazers interfering? If Cullen / Toner and O'Brien had gotten starts (like they should have based on form imo), that would mean ten Leinster players in the starting 15, 1 Ulster / Connacht based on Hooker choice, one Osprey and three Munster ... is that a bridge too far for the blazers to stomach??

Cause based on form and forward planning, that's what it should be.

Also, RE: Leinster backs not scoring tries based on Magners League table, this is true, but Shane Horgan, Eoin O'Malley, Fergus McFadden, Andrew Conway, Paul O'Donohue etc. arene't starting for Ireland...sooo just because they play for the same team, doesn't mean the lads picked for Ireland are to blame for things they weren't on the pitch for...look at the Heineken Cup pool table to see these guys, you'll see a bonus point win over the top placed top 14 team in there...not bad imo.
Have you any toys left in your pram?

[jeepers]

But have the younger players beaten their opponents quite comfortably for the jersey. Lets see, O'Brien has been playing at 6 for the important matches for Leinster with Shane Jennings preferred at 7 (who doesn't even make the squad)! How does that make O'Brien a better option than Wallace for the starting berth? Surely you should be calling for him to be ahead of Ferris (who hasn't been playing that well).

You are also in denial about the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline and completely missed that Leinster's defense won against Saracens, not the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline. I don't know what game you are looking at!

You'd want to be a bit thick to swallow the one about dropping BOD for Earls. That would be a great plan - drop the Irish captain for the first game in the Aviva which is proving difficult to sell out - all in the interests of getting a half-fit Earls on the pitch.

Surely you must be a wum - no one could be that stupid.

[Aussiedub]

But have the younger players beaten their opponents quite comfortably for the jersey. Lets see, O'Brien has been playing at 6 for the important matches for Leinster with Shane Jennings preferred at 7 (who doesn't even make the squad)! How does that make O'Brien a better option than Wallace for the starting berth? Surely you should be calling for him to be ahead of Ferris (who hasn't been playing that well).

You are also in denial about the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline and completely missed that Leinster's defense won against Saracens, not the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline. I don't know what game you are looking at!

You'd want to be a bit thick to swallow the one about dropping BOD for Earls. That would be a great plan - drop the Irish captain for the first game in the Aviva which is proving difficult to sell out - all in the interests of getting a half-fit Earls on the pitch.

Surely you must be a wum - no one could be that stupid.



Wallace has barely played this season and SOB has been the form player. Ferris has also being playing really well for Ulster. I'm more concerned about how Leamy got picked ahead of SOB. I also do not understand why Jennings doesn't get a decent chance.


When did I say the Leinster backline was in great attacking form?? We still scored 25 points away from home and I don't see what is wrong with good defence either??


BOD is unfit and not match sharp since doing his hamstring and would rather not take any chances and when I suggested Earls it was before his injury worries and I thought it would be an ideal chance to try out someone other than BOD against a top team to see how it goes rather than get to a GS decider and try it for first time or in a RWC game against Australia.


Sorry but I don't see this being about first game at Aviva or getting more tickets sold. This to me is about getting options tried out against top teams ahead of the 6Nations and the RWC. The one game of the 4 which we should be all about winning is against NZ just to get that monkey off our back. The other 3 should be about option building with the SA one being the main one as playing the reserves against Samoa won't be useful enough because it doesn't show how they would do with the top players.

[sewa]

Dont feed the troll.

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

Agreed.

[jeepers]

SOB's form is at 6 not 7 though. Jennings played 6 when Gleeson was around, so its surprising that SOB isn't picked at 7 if he is that good in that position, and Jennings moved to 6.

Wallace's form has been fine for someone coming back from an injury - and he did start against Toulon.

Ferris, in my opinion has been living a bit on his reputation lately, but since he hasn't featured in a while in an Ireland jersey, its hardly surprising that he is selected early in this series to have a look at.

It would seem that the Ireland management/IRFU have different objectives to what they want to get out of this game, so I reckon they are right as they are the ones that have to take the flac. The IRFU have already made a balls of the tickets, dropping the Irish captain for a young player with question marks over his fitness would be pure madness.

Re the backline - you were claiming that Sexton really got the 'backs moving' or something - I used the Saracens game as an example as to what a defensive team Leinster actually is (with Isa the only back who is attack minded and Leinster would be lost without him).

[sewa]

Moss Finn on the radio this morning claimed we had the best back line in the world smileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gif

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

He also said Luke Fitz. has the speed to score tries from 50 yards out.

I wonder does Moss fly Aer Lingus? smileys/wink.gif

[tickettout]

He also said Luke Fitz. has the speed to score tries from 50 yards out.

I wonder does Moss fly Aer Lingus? smileys/wink.gif



smileys/lol.gif


They're not even the best backline in Ireland.

[sewa]

Also he kept going on about the two big SA sides that produce all their best players. The Bulls and the Stormerssmileys/lol.gif. What a Prenderville

[eddie]

But have the younger players beaten their opponents quite comfortably for the jersey. Lets see, O'Brien has been playing at 6 for the important matches for Leinster with Shane Jennings preferred at 7 (who doesn't even make the squad)! How does that make O'Brien a better option than Wallace for the starting berth? Surely you should be calling for him to be ahead of Ferris (who hasn't been playing that well).

You are also in denial about the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline and completely missed that Leinster's defense won against Saracens, not the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline. I don't know what game you are looking at!

You'd want to be a bit thick to swallow the one about dropping BOD for Earls. That would be a great plan - drop the Irish captain for the first game in the Aviva which is proving difficult to sell out - all in the interests of getting a half-fit Earls on the pitch.

Surely you must be a wum - no one could be that stupid.



Wallace has barely played this season and SOB has been the form player. Ferris has also being playing really well for Ulster. Hhmm watched much of Ulster recently! I'm more concerned about how Leamy got picked ahead of SOB. Agreed. We know hwat Leamy &amp; Wallace bring. I also do not understand why Jennings doesn't get a decent chance. Because he is not up to it sure he will be lucky to start for Leinster when Kevin Mc is back and fit.


When did I saythe Leinster backline was in great attacking form?? We still scored 25 points away from home and I don't see what is wrong with good defence either??


BOD is unfit and not match sharp since doing his hamstring and would rather not take any chances and when I suggested Earls it was before his injury worries and I thought it would be an ideal chance to try out someone other than BOD against a top team to see how it goes rather than get to a GS decider and try it for first time or in a RWC game against Australia.


Sorry but I don't see this being about first game at Aviva or getting more tickets sold. This to me is about getting options tried out against top teams ahead of the 6Nations and the RWC. The one game of the 4 which we should be all about winning is against NZ just to get that monkey off our back. The other 3 should be about option building with the SA one being the main one as playing the reserves against Samoa won't be useful enough because it doesn't show how they would do with the top players.

[Hugonaut]

Moss Finn on the radio this morning claimed we had the best back line in the world smileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gif

Bit of an exaggeration alright. Maybe fourth best, third on a very good day [and a very bad day for the French] - a lot of talented players though with Bowe, Drico, Kearney, Earls, Fitz, Sexton, D'Arcy.

[shk7619]

Earls gets the nod ahead of Ulster pair


http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2010/1104/12242826959 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2010/1104/1224282695948.html) 48.html

[kahalui]

Hope he's fully fit.

[Mcork]

[QUOTE=Aussiedub][QUOTE=sewa]


Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.





So remind me of the games this season when we've spent all our time in the 22 defending????


Munster last 25 mins? No


Racing Metro? No


Saracens? No


Connaught? No


Maybe he just wants to give Wallace a chance to perform without having to be a babysitter for an outhalf who can't tackle!!


Your definition of form is obviously strange.




I was thinking more of Ireland to be honest and our very blunt attack against England until ROG came on. He came on too late to salvage the Triple Crown. With most opposition's game plan being to attack ROG's channel gives a lot of space out wide. I'd rate ROG's tackling ability a fair bit higher than Luke's ability to score trys. Imagine having a wing that has scored fewer tries than a prop! (and thats with the best centre in the world beside him).

PS - remind me what Vintner was moaning about in the Saracens game - I seem to remember an awful lot of defending.






Didn't Sexton set up two tries in the match you are talking about? Completely blows your point out of the water.


I'm a Munster fan and I'll admit that ROG/Sexton was not a tight call. The conservative and correct selection was Sexton.

[mtcmolloy]

AGree on the sexton selection.. I was trying to imagine a horses for courses selection policy, and trying to imagine how you might select rog to put the ball in behind or whatever, but still can't justify it, nor can I think of a situation where you'd bring him on, other than if sexton was having a 'complete mare' with the kicking tee

[Aussiedub]

But have the younger players beaten their opponents quite comfortably for the jersey. Lets see, O'Brien has been playing at 6 for the important matches for Leinster with Shane Jennings preferred at 7 (who doesn't even make the squad)! How does that make O'Brien a better option than Wallace for the starting berth? Surely you should be calling for him to be ahead of Ferris (who hasn't been playing that well).

You are also in denial about the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline and completely missed that Leinster's defense won against Saracens, not the attacking prowess of the Leinster backline. I don't know what game you are looking at!

You'd want to be a bit thick to swallow the one about dropping BOD for Earls. That would be a great plan - drop the Irish captain for the first game in the Aviva which is proving difficult to sell out - all in the interests of getting a half-fit Earls on the pitch.

Surely you must be a wum - no one could be that stupid.



Wallace has barely played this season and SOB has been the form player. Ferris has also being playing really well for Ulster. Hhmm watched much of Ulster recently! I'm more concerned about how Leamy got picked ahead of SOB. Agreed. We know hwat Leamy &amp; Wallace bring. I also do not understand why Jennings doesn't get a decent chance. Because he is not up to it sure he will be lucky to start for Leinster when Kevin Mc is back and fit.


When did I saythe Leinster backline was in great attacking form?? We still scored 25 points away from home and I don't see what is wrong with good defence either??


BOD is unfit and not match sharp since doing his hamstring and would rather not take any chances and when I suggested Earls it was before his injury worries and I thought it would be an ideal chance to try out someone other than BOD against a top team to see how it goes rather than get to a GS decider and try it for first time or in a RWC game against Australia.


Sorry but I don't see this being about first game at Aviva or getting more tickets sold. This to me is about getting options tried out against top teams ahead of the 6Nations and the RWC. The one game of the 4 which we should be all about winning is against NZ just to get that monkey off our back. The other 3 should be about option building with the SA one being the main one as playing the reserves against Samoa won't be useful enough because it doesn't show how they would do with the top players.





Jennings is one of the most important players in the Leinster pack and won't be dropped for McLaughlin.He provides the perfect balance to the Leinster backrow. He enables SOB and Heaslip to spend more time ball carrying because Jennings spends the game in the rucks slowing ball down. Perfect example was the Toulouse game last year where Toulouse literally got practically zero quick ball as long as Jennings was on the pitch and literally as soon as he came off they got quick ball and scored 2 tries and won the game within 7/8 mins.

[tickettout]

AD, this fetish you havefor Jenningsis putting me off my lunch.


I'll need the soakage for endless beer consumptionthis afternoonso have some consideration and go hit the beach in OZ for a few hours.

[Aussiedub]

AD, this fetish you havefor Jenningsis putting me off my lunch.


I'll need the soakage for endless beer consumptionthis afternoonso have some consideration and go hit the beach in OZ for a few hours.





Bit difficult at 12.30 at night with another 45 mins till Wales v' Aus and Eng v's NZ starting smileys/biggrin.gif

[dedon]

Best's throwing is actually very good, he had one dodgy outing in last years 6 nations and he gets labeled. Tends to be the way with Hookers.


Cronin will get a chance over the 4 matches, to be honest, he'd learn a hell of a lot against the Argies. Why would he move on the basis of one match on the bench against SA? Not everyone is a drama queen

BOSH oh BOSH. Can you now admit that Best cannot throw. He had another shocker tonight.

[Tobyglen]

Best's throwing is actually very good, he had one dodgy outing in last years 6 nations and he gets labeled. Tends to be the way with Hookers.


Cronin will get a chance over the 4 matches, to be honest, he'd learn a hell of a lot against the Argies. Why would he move on the basis of one match on the bench against SA? Not everyone is a drama queen

BOSH oh BOSH. Can you now admit that Best cannot throw. He had another shocker tonight.

smileys/lol.gifsmileys/lol.gif

[sewa]

Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggestdecision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 whohe is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball.





smileys/smiley37.gifThat head is going to be fair sore in the morning

[The Outlaw]

Kidneys selection has to be questioned. Ignored Ross, Toner, O Brien etc from the 22.


Not a good week for Declan. Barring a miracle against the All Blacks the internationals have already been written off.


We couldnt beat the Boks missing that many players.


I await with interest the contributions of those who say form doesn't count for selection.


Where were all these world class players we're supposed to have according to the scribes herelike BOD, Houdini, Ferris, Kearney etc


For now I'm off to the pub to try and forget the72 mins garbage we witnessed.smileys/razz.gif

[Tobyglen]

Kidneys selection has to be questioned. Ignored Ross, Toner, O Brien etc from the 22.


Not a good week for Declan. Barring a miracle against the All Blacks the internationals have already been written off.


We couldnt beat the Boks missing that many players.


I await with interest the contributions of those who say form doesn't count for selection.


Where were all these world class players we're supposed to have according to the scribes herelike BOD, Houdini, Ferris, Kearney</span> etc


For now I'm off to the pub to try and forget the72 mins garbage we witnessed.smileys/razz.gif
Only Houdini is world class, BOD is almost finished, Ferris hasn't done anything of note and Kearney is just dreadful.

[ustix]

Kidneys selection has to be questioned. Ignored Ross, Toner, O Brien etc from the 22.


Not a good week for Declan. Barring a miracle against the All Blacks the internationals have already been written off.


We couldnt beat the Boks missing that many players.


I await with interest the contributions of those who say form doesn't count for selection.


Where were all these world class players we're supposed to have according to the scribes herelike BOD, Houdini, Ferris, Kearney</span> etc


For now I'm off to the pub to try and forget the72 mins garbage we witnessed.smileys/razz.gif
Only Houdini is world class, BOD is almost finished, Ferris hasn't done anything of note and Kearney is just dreadful.

Too true, I'm afraid. Kearney was never world class.

[sewa]

Ladies and gentlemen I give you the total human contadiction that is the Outlaw smileys/biggrin.gif

[Big-al]

Ferris had a very good game, one of Irelands bets players if not the best





Compare him to MOD, Wallace, DOC, and Mushy - Those 4 where very poor. 3 of them won't be int he test team for the AB's match and rightly so

[sewa]

Ferris had a very good game for an ulsterman


Fixed

[Mcork]

I'm a Kidney fan and will remain one but he got a lot of calls wrong for this match. And he made changes far too late. A bad day at the office fior Deccie and the rest of the coaching staff. Need a hard look in the mirror anda fewquestions they need to ask themseleves:


Is it really a good idea to always pick based on experience? A lot of the experienced players were very nervous tonight as if it was their first match. A lot of them failed to show up. Do we now pick them for Samoa so they can get some confidence back? IMHO, this policy of conservative slection is killing us.

[pancake]

Mick O'Driscoll, Rory Best, Eoin Reddan, Tony Buckley are 3rd division players struggling at premier level. Hopefully we have seen the last of them for Ireland.

[Charco]

Ferris had a very good game, one of Irelands bets players if not the best





Compare him to MOD, Wallace, DOC, and Mushy - Those 4 where very poor. 3 of them won't be int he test team for the AB's match and rightly so

A wind-up? He was anonymous in the first half.

Court should start. Was impressive in his cameo.

[Tobyglen]

Mick O'Driscoll, Rory Best, Eoin Reddan, Tony Buckley are 3rd division players struggling at premier level. Hopefully we have seen the last of them for Ireland.

Add in DJ Church who literally has zero cop on, has there been a more stupid player to put on a green shirt? The guy is a penalty machine.

[Big-al]

The odd 1 out there is that Best has performed at the very highest level for Ireland.

[Tobyglen]

The odd 1 out there is that Best has performed at the very highest level for Ireland.
Best isn't good enough, a journeyman who gets shown up big style in international rugby. Even Ross Ford got picked ahead of him for the Lions. He's a very poor lineout thrower under pressure.

[mr chips]

Agree on Ferris - very disappointing &amp; anonymous first half. Was crying out for Leamy to give us some bite. And Cronin too, for god's sake. To think I was ambivalent about the hooker selection and decided that Best's experience and "leadership" were what he had over Cronin's superior dynamism &amp; lineout throwing. I won't make that mistake again.

[Mcork]

I asked this early in the thread before the match. What happens if we lose considering we were picking our most experienced or 'best available' selection against the worst of the trinations shorn of 13 players?


We are in big trouble and Kidney needs to react in the right way. We can't just pick the same players and hope for an improvement. There needs to be a big shiftof emphasis away from picking on experience alone.

[sewa]

I asked this early in the thread before the match. What happens if we lose considering we were picking our most experienced or 'best available' selection against the worst of the trinations shorn of 13 players?


We are in big trouble and Kidney needs to react in the right way. We can't just pick the same players and hope for an improvement. There needs to be a big shiftof emphasis away from picking on experience alone.


How manytop classplayers do you seriously think we are leaving out? They are not out there

[Mcork]

I asked this early in the thread before the match. What happens if we lose considering we were picking our most experienced or 'best available' selection against the worst of the trinations shorn of 13 players?


We are in big trouble and Kidney needs to react in the right way. We can't just pick the same players and hope for an improvement. There needs to be a big shiftof emphasis away from picking on experience alone.


How manytop classplayers do you seriously think we are leaving out? They are not out there





Well we can start with Cronin for Best, Court for Healy, Cullen for MO'D, SO'B for Wallace, Stringer for Reddan, ROG for Sexton (fair competition), P. Wallace for D'Arcy as a minimum. Then we can even look at Leamy for Ferris, Ross for Buckley, Earls forBO'D (who looks past it) or Earls/Trimble at 11 and Fitz to FB. A lot of options and we'll never find out if we don't try.


What is clear is that the current path will lead to failure.

[sewa]

I asked this early in the thread before the match. What happens if we lose considering we were picking our most experienced or 'best available' selection against the worst of the trinations shorn of 13 players?


We are in big trouble and Kidney needs to react in the right way. We can't just pick the same players and hope for an improvement. There needs to be a big shiftof emphasis away from picking on experience alone.


How manytop classplayers do you seriously think we are leaving out? They are not out there





Well we can start with Cronin for Best, Court for Healy, Cullen for MO'D, SO'B for Wallace, Stringer for Reddan, ROG for Sexton (fair competition), P. Wallace for D'Arcy as a minimum. Then we can even look at Leamy for Ferris, Earls forBO'D (who looks past it) or Earls/Trimble at 11 and Fitz to FB. A lot of options and we'll never find out if we don't try.


What is clear is that the current path will lead to failure.


So replace a load of capped squad players with a load of capped sqaud players. How radical

I asked this early in the thread before the match. What
happens if we lose considering we were picking our most
experienced or 'best available' selection against the worst
of the trinations shorn of 13 players?


We are in big trouble and Kidney needs to react in the
right way. We can't just pick the same players and hope for
an improvement. There needs to be a big shift*of emphasis
away from picking on experience alone.


How many*top class*players do you seriously
think we are leaving out? They are not out there





Well we can start with Cronin for Best, Court for Healy,
Cullen for MO'D, SO'B for Wallace, Stringer for Reddan,
ROG for Sexton (fair competition), P. Wallace for D'Arcy as
a minimum. Then we can even look at Leamy for Ferris,
Earls for*BO'D (who looks past it) or Earls/Trimble at 11
and Fitz to FB. A lot of options and we'll never find out if we
don't try.


What is clear is that the current path will lead to
failure.*


* So replace a load of capped squad
players with a load of capped sqaud players. How
radical

that's a very silly answer. He's suggesting we develop a
squad - Cronin, Court, Earls and SOB aren't massively
capped and Trimble and Fitzgerald have hardly played an
international in last 12 months. It's a fair call to suggest
them.

[sewa]

The same 15 players were never going to play all 4 games. What he is suggesting is what was already planned as its what happens in all of these AI series. Presenting it as radical is quite humourous

The same 15 players were never going to
play all 4 games. What he is suggesting is what was already
planned as its what happens in all of these AI series.
Presenting it as radical is quite humourous

We don't know that they are going to play. DK could do an
EOS and figure I need to select my "best" side again to get
them back on the road again before NZ. I wouldn't second
guess these selections considering how bo***cks some have
been over recent years.

[Mcork]

Never suggested it was radical and indeed outside Ireland, England &amp; maybe Scotland dropping players after a thoroughly abysmal performance is actually considered the norm. We don't do it in Ireland for a variety of reasons.


Of course against Samoa there would have been changes anyway. However what must happen is that DK must pick a team based on form for the AB's. In other wordsa fair fewof the team that didn't perform v the Boks should be dropped.

[diarm]

i'm sorry but i honstly believe that best and reddan are the two biggest frauds in irish rugby.

best is a hooker who can't throw, isn't that good in the loose but has benefited from being an ulster man playing in a position of weak depth during a time without prominent ulstermen (pre bowe and ferris). i don't mean that as a slight against ulster. the same thing has and will happen in the future with munster and leinster players during barren times.

reddan is quite simply, pants. he is a scrumhalf made up of all the weaknesses of both stringer and o'leary, but with none of the strengths of either. his pass is laboured and innacurate, he makes very poor decisions, he takes steps plural, he doesn't defend well and he isn't very strong.



point well and truly made.

[The Outlaw]

The same 15 players were never going to play all 4 games. What he is suggesting is what was already planned as its what happens in all of these AI series. Presenting it as radical is quite humourous


Rubbish. Its called form selections.The bottom line is all of SOB,Ross, Toner should have been in the 22. Cronin should have started. You pick players on form you've a far better chance of getting a result then picking guys who are way out of form.


BOD was clearly unfit and shouldnt have played.


Ferris did nothing prior to the game and in the game itself.


Best simply isnt international standard.


MOD just isnt international standard.


Buckley was hugely disappointing.


Houdini did his usual disappearing act against the Tri-Nations teams.


Reddan was simply awful.


Kearney defensively makes Geordan Murphy look like Scott Gibbs.


Sexton doesnt control games as well as he should at this level


Bowe for a supposed world class wing was very very poor


Fitzgerald had a decent game but just doesnt have the gas for the wing. At 12\13 he would give a new threat that we currently dont have.


The substitutions were far too bloody late by Kidney. Total conservatism beforehand and complete conservatism during the game. I dont agree with hook and the s**te he was going on about that Cronin isnt international standard. Maybe if George got off his arse and went to the Sportsground an odd time he'd see the next Keith Wood in action.


Declan obviuously doesnt rate Cronin at all. That worries me hugely. As soon as Flannery is back he wont even make the 22.

[sewa]

Most of the players whose selection The Outreach is now criticising were in the teamhe proposed on page 1 of this thread. smileys/lol.gif

[The Outlaw]

Most of the players whose selection The Outreach is now criticising were in the teamhe proposed on page 1 of this thread. smileys/lol.gif





The fact that a lot of them played crap has nothing to do whether they should have been selected in the first place. I've consistently said SOB, Toner should have been in the 22 and that Ross and Croninshould havestarted. Ryan shouldnt have been in the 22 and Fitzgerald shouldnt have started.


Will this be another famous Sewa chapter along the lines of previous offerings;


- Jordan Crane is the best number 8 in the world


-Johnny Wilkinson is crap


- Ryan Jones............................................. .......... ......Ryan Jones.................................and em Ryan Jones............................................. .........

[sewa]

The nature of your contradictoryposting is clear to all and sundry The Outreach. All people have to do is look back to page 1 and laugh smileys/lol.gif

[sewa]

Interesting post. Where can I subscribe to your product or service?

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

...I've consistently said.....

reams of utter tosh? smileys/wink.gifsmileys/lol.gif

[sewa]

Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggest*decision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.*To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 who*he is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball. **





smileys/smiley37.gif

Time to bump this methinks. How many still think Sexbomb and Reddan are Gods gift to Irish rugby?

[sewa]

Truly staggering the amount of crap on here although TT's piss take of poor ould Combat was highly entertainingsmileys/lol.gif.


The biggest*decision here was at 10 where DK decided to give the young fella a run despite his form in the hope that he will come good.*To give him the best chance possible he went with a 9 who*he is used to playing with. Neither are form selections but they were picked to develop the squad. Conservative selection me eyeball. **





smileys/smiley37.gif

Time to bump this methinks. How many still think Sexbomb and Reddan are Gods gift to Irish rugby?

[Red Hand Hero]

Sexton is the only option we have next to ROG and could well become one of the leading tens in the NH. Did a decent job today and slotted 100% of his kicks, which according to many here was his big weakness. Given Cooder's complete, total and utter reluctance to try anyone but Paddy Wallace as reserve OH after Humphreys retirement and Sexton's indifferent form until 09 Kidney has no choice but to give him as much exposure as possible at the top level going forward as ROG will not last forever. Reddan, not so keen on.

[The Outlaw]

Sexton is the only option we have next to ROG and could well become one of the leading tens in the NH. Did a decent job today and slotted 100% of his kicks, which according to many here was his big weakness. Given Cooder's complete, total and utter reluctance to try anyone but Paddy Wallace as reserve OH after Humphreys retirement and Sexton's indifferent form until 09 Kidney has no choice but to give him as much exposure as possible at the top level going forward as ROG will not last forever. Reddan, not so keen on.


Tend to agree. Sexton is simply the one player who never gets rationally analysed here. He's actually one of the most likeable Leinster players for anyone who hasnt met him.

[JoeyFantastic]

Sexton
is the only option we have next to ROG and could well
become one of the leading tens in the NH. Did a decent job
today and slotted 100% of his kicks, which according to
many here was his big weakness.* Given Cooder's
complete, total and utter reluctance to try anyone but
Paddy Wallace as reserve OH after Humphreys retirement
and Sexton's indifferent form until 09 Kidney has no choice
but to give him as much exposure as possible at the top
level going forward as ROG will not last forever.* Reddan,
not so keen on.


Tend to agree. Sexton is simply the one player who
never gets rationally analysed here. He's actually one of
the most likeable Leinster players for anyone who hasnt
met him.

But utterly despised by those who have?

[The Outlaw]

Sexton
is the only option we have next to ROG and could well
become one of the leading tens in the NH. Did a decent job
today and slotted 100% of his kicks, which according to
many here was his big weakness. Given Cooder's
complete, total and utter reluctance to try anyone but
Paddy Wallace as reserve OH after Humphreys retirement
and Sexton's indifferent form until 09 Kidney has no choice
but to give him as much exposure as possible at the top
level going forward as ROG will not last forever. Reddan,
not so keen on.



Tend to agree. Sexton is simply the one player who
never gets rationally analysed here. He's actually one of
the most likeable Leinster players for anyone who hasnt
met him.




But utterly despised by those who have?


Well I think he's a sound guy. Not like some of the other twats he plays with. What do people want. He delivered a solid perfomance with 2 very aimless kicks out of hand. Hardly constitutes a poor game

[tickettout]

Sexton is the only option we have next to ROG and could well become one of the leading tens in the NH. Did a decent job today and slotted 100% of his kicks, which according to many here was his big weakness. Given Cooder's complete, total and utter reluctance to try anyone but Paddy Wallace as reserve OH after Humphreys retirement and Sexton's indifferent form until 09 Kidney has no choice but to give him as much exposure as possible at the top level going forward as ROG will not last forever. Reddan, not so keen on.


Tend to agree. Sexton is simply the one player who never gets rationally analysed here. He's actually one of the most likeable Leinster players for anyone who hasnt met him.





I'd agree with that from what I've heard. His time spent growing up in Munster did him the world of good.


I rate him very very highly as an out half. None of our problems this Autumn have been down to him.

[sewa]

So its just a coincidence that when he is playing we playing boring s**t rugby that no one wants to watch but when he is off the field we play good attacking rugby? Answers to the central remedial clinic, Dublin 12, care of tickettout

[tickettout]

So its just a coincidence that when he is playing we playing boring s**t rugby that no one wants to watch but when he is off the field we play good attacking rugby? Answers to the central remedial clinic, Dublin 12, care of tickettout


Perhaps you're right - we should unleash the free running ROG.


I realise though that your beef with Sexton isn't going to be resolved over the internet so we'll let this matter slide!

[The Outlaw]

So its just a coincidence that when he is playing we playing boring s**t rugby that no one wants to watch but when he is off the field we play good attacking rugby? Answers to the central remedial clinic, Dublin 12, care of tickettout


The best attacking rugby we played was against New Zealand.

[Aussiedub]

So its just a coincidence that when he is playing we playing boring s**t rugby that no one wants to watch but when he is off the field we play good attacking rugby? Answers to the central remedial clinic, Dublin 12, care of tickettout


Yes how could we all forget that masterful display of open running, incisive backplay and attacking rugby that was the Ire v's Samoa game of coursesmileys/lol.gif

[ustix]

Whats the CRC got to do with this tripe? Leave it out.