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Jackdaniels
15th-October-2010, 13:13
What are peoples opinions on this lad. Will he make it? Does he need a move to get a game. Could he make the breakthrough this year? Or does the fact that many people in Ireland seem to think just cos he is black, and a winger......he must be lethal....actually work against him and give people unrealistic expectations?More innocentignorance than innocent racism really to be fair.


Is the A team as far as he will go with us?

Cervidave
15th-October-2010, 13:18
Why don't you give your own opinion or starters.

Jackdaniels
15th-October-2010, 13:22
Well ok, to be honest, Having seen a bit of him in action, both in green and red, I dont think the lad will make a serious international class winger or centre. He will be more of a Denis Hurley than a Denis Hickie. I hope I am wrong, I really do but he doesnt seem to have that magic step or kick on that the really top class wingers have. Will he be a regular Munster back for years to come....no


Could be make it as a decent Connacht/Premiership mid table club winger, yes.

JoeyFantastic
15th-October-2010, 13:24
Hmm straight into the Con team from school, iirc, seemed to
play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, not sure I'd be willing
to call them all racist, so they must be basing their opinion on
something else.

Cervidave
15th-October-2010, 13:26
It's very hard to say whether a player will make it big time until you've seen him playing at a top level but it's so far so good as far as I've seen.

Jackdaniels
15th-October-2010, 13:27
Hmm straight into the Con team from school, iirc, seemed to
play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, not sure I'd be willing
to call them all racist, so they must be basing their opinion on
something else.


Not what I meant Joey and I think you knwo that too. That was silly my friend.


What I meant was, there is a perception out there with the less informed but interested that basically "this lad sebo, he is a black winger, a youngfella, i'd say he is lethal quick.....sure arent they all quick"


You know what i meant Joey

Canterbury
15th-October-2010, 13:28
Hmm straight into the Con team from school, iirc, seemed to
play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, <S&#079;NG>not sure I'd be willing
to call them all racist</S&#079;NG>, so they must be basing their opinion on
something else.


What has racism got to do with it?

JoeyFantastic
15th-October-2010, 13:34
Hmm
straight into the Con team from school, iirc, seemed to play
in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, not sure I'd be
willing to call them all racist, so they must be basing their
opinion on something else.


Not what I meant Joey and I think you knwo that too.
That was silly my friend.


What I meant was, there is a perception out there with
the less informed but interested that basically "this lad
sebo, he is a black winger, a youngfella, i'd say he is lethal
quick.....sure arent they all quick"


You know what i meant Joey

I did know what you meant, but the people giving him
games aren't the less informed, they get to see him every
day. Afaik, his father was a sprinter for France and his
sister is a sprinter for Ireland too. People don't think he's
fast because he's black, people think he's fast because he's
fast.

soccer rules
15th-October-2010, 13:37
Hmm straight into the Con team from school, iirc, seemed to
play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, not sure I'd be willing
to call them all racist, so they must be basing their opinion on
something else.


Not what I meant Joey and I think you knwo that too. That was silly my friend.


What I meant was, there is a perception out there with the less informed but interested that basically "this lad sebo, he is a black winger, a youngfella, i'd say he is lethal quick.....sure arent they all quick"


You know what i meant Joey so far you are the only one who seems a little racist

CarrigMan
15th-October-2010, 13:50
I don't care whether or not the guy is black, blue pink, or green. He's a young lad trying to make a career in an unforgiving profession.


The best of luck to him.


My observation is that he's not the best passer in the world. I base my oppinion on him as I've seen him play fa few times for Con, Ireland U20, and in a pre-season Munster match.


Give him a bit of coaching, build up his confidence and who knows?

JoeyFantastic
15th-October-2010, 13:54
My observation is that he's not the best passer in the
world.* I base my oppinion on him as I've seen him play fa
few times for Con, Ireland U20, and in a pre-season Munster
match.


*

It's odd he has started at 12 for Con in this year's AIL, afaik, I
agree that skills-wise he has a long way to go.

busbi
15th-October-2010, 14:00
For the love of god, why are people constantly bringing this guy up only
to knock him saying he's overrated? If he was a pasty ginger with the
exact same attributes people would probably be calling for him to be
drafted in this weekend.

He seems to be doing very well for himself. Not many Munster backs
are getting into Ireland back lines at any level these days. Hopefully
he'll continue to develop to be a first team winger in time.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 14:02
Hmm straight into the Con team from school, iirc, seemed to
play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, <S&#079;NG>not sure I'd be willing
to call them all racist</S&#079;NG>, so they must be basing their opinion on
something else.


What has racism got to do with it?





Not really racism per se, more like positive racism. People started claiming he was the fastest U20 most likely because hes a wing and black when really it turns out that Conway, Griffin and O'Halloran were all faster than him. Personally I thought Darren Hudson completely outperformed him on the wing in rwc yet there was little to no hype about him. I don't know whether people meant to or not but Zebo definitely received extra attention because he was black (he was nowhere near a stand out in any of the U20 games). Colour really shouldn't come into it but I suppose at least it was positive racism.


Anyway, I don't think he'll become an international from watching him play but thats just my opinion and lots can change over a long time. Personally I think the likes of O'Mahony, Barnes and Deasy are better to be honest.

dropkick
15th-October-2010, 14:04
Theres only 2 wingers in the academy AFAIK. Munster have
been very poor bring through backs considering all the backs
Leinster have.

canine
15th-October-2010, 14:12
I thought Denis Hickie was a fairly decent winger ,always room for a player who has out and out pace

LLCOOLJ14
15th-October-2010, 14:14
[(he was nowhere near a stand out in any of the U20 games).


What crap. He's the only one who showed anything Vs Eng imo out of pretty much our entire team. Did you not see that game or what?smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

dropkick
15th-October-2010, 14:17
[(he was
nowhere near a stand out in any of the U20 games).



What crap. He's the only one who showed anything Vs Eng
imo out of pretty much our entire team. Did you not see that
game or what?smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

I think he ment the 6 nations.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 14:17
[(he was nowhere near a stand out in any of the U20 games).


What crap. He's the only one who showed anything Vs Eng imo out of pretty much our entire team. Did you not see that game or what?smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif





He was the only player who showed anything that day but he was still wasnt exceptional, it just so happened that the rest of the team were so poor in comparison.


Personally I'd rate Barnes over him at the moment.

JoeyFantastic
15th-October-2010, 14:18
Hmm straight into the Con team
from school, iirc, seemed to play in most u20's matches for
Ireland this season, and pretty much straight into the
Munster A squad, while getting ML gametime as an u20
(something we rarely do). Seems he's rated by everyone
who's coached him, &lt;SONG&gt;not sure I'd be willing to call
them all racist&lt;/SONG&gt;, so they must be basing their
opinion on something else.


What has racism got to do with it?





Not really racism per se, more like positive racism.
People started claiming he was the fastest U20 most likely
because hes a wing and black when really it turns out that
Conway, Griffin and O'Halloran were all faster than him.
Personally I thought Darren Hudson completely
outperformed him on the wing in rwc yet there was little to
no hype about him. I don't know whether people meant to
or not but Zebo definitely received extra attention because
he was black (he was nowhere near a stand out in any of
the U20 games). Colour really shouldn't come into it but I
suppose at least it was positive racism.


Anyway, I don't think he'll become an international from
watching him play but thats just my opinion and lots can
change over a long time. Personally I think the likes of
O'Mahony, Barnes and Deasy are better to be
honest.

Possibly, Munster produce so few backs of any real note
that anyone who comes through to be able to hold a place
in the backs with Ireland is always going to stand out.
Hudson is an interesting one, he was good but will he go
anywhere for Leinster with the talent they have.

Hugonaut
15th-October-2010, 14:19
What crap. He's the only one who showed anything Vs Eng imo out of pretty much our entire team. Did you not see that game or what?smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

Zebo was definitely our best player against England in the Junior World Cup. Carried very, very strongly and has an absolute mule of a kick. With that said, he was a lot quieter in the other matches, couldn't seem to get as involved. I think he's got a good bit of potential, I'd have to say ... nor are Munster blessed with wingers.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 14:21
Hmm straight into the Con team
from school, iirc, seemed to play in most u20's matches for
Ireland this season, and pretty much straight into the
Munster A squad, while getting ML gametime as an u20
(something we rarely do). Seems he's rated by everyone
who's coached him, &lt;SONG&gt;not sure I'd be willing to call
them all racist&lt;/SONG&gt;, so they must be basing their
opinion on something else.



What has racism got to do with it?







Not really racism per se, more like positive racism.
People started claiming he was the fastest U20 most likely
because hes a wing and black when really it turns out that
Conway, Griffin and O'Halloran were all faster than him.
Personally I thought Darren Hudson completely
outperformed him on the wing in rwc yet there was little to
no hype about him. I don't know whether people meant to
or not but Zebo definitely received extra attention because
he was black (he was nowhere near a stand out in any of
the U20 games). Colour really shouldn't come into it but I
suppose at least it was positive racism.



Anyway, I don't think he'll become an international from
watching him play but thats just my opinion and lots can
change over a long time. Personally I think the likes of
O'Mahony, Barnes and Deasy are better to be
honest.




Possibly, Munster produce so few backs of any real note
that anyone who comes through to be able to hold a place
in the backs with Ireland is always going to stand out.
Hudson is an interesting one, he was good but will he go
anywhere for Leinster with the talent they have.





To be honest Ican't see Hudson going anywhere unless he moves and even then I can't see many of that U20 team making it. The winger spot in Leinster has fierce competition right now. You only have to look to Connacht with 2 Leinster men starting on their wing this weekend to see how fierce the competition is.


It's funny though, the age old truth, Leinster produce the backs, Munster produce the forwards is still in operation.

Balla Boy
15th-October-2010, 14:26
I hear he has great natural rhythm.

mr chips
15th-October-2010, 14:28
Glad most people aren't rising to the bait - AFAIR Jackdaniels is a tabloid journalist, and this faux-innocent attempt at tossing a grenade into the forum shows just how little class he and his ilk possess.

Anyway, back to the rugby ...

The Doc
15th-October-2010, 14:33
It's funny though, the age old truth, Leinster produce the backs, Munster produce the forwards is still in operation.


Really?

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 14:36
It's funny though, the age old truth, Leinster produce the backs, Munster produce the forwards is still in operation.


Really?





Well actually now that I think about it Cian Healy, Sean O'Brien, Kevin McLaughlin,Dominic Ryan, Rhys Ruddock are all being produced by Leinster and all bar Dominc Ryan have played for Ireland.


Munster are very much producing the second rows, scrumhalfs and hookers though!

Thomond78
15th-October-2010, 14:41
That's Rhys Ruddock from the Ospreys Academy, yes?

LuckyDucker
15th-October-2010, 14:51
Glad most people aren't rising to the bait - AFAIR Jackdaniels is a tabloid journalist, and this faux-innocent attempt at tossing a grenade into the forum shows just how little class he and his ilk possess.

Anyway, back to the rugby ...



Not even subtle, check the last five days alone smileys/lol.gif

http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/search.asp?KW=Jackdaniels&a (http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/search.asp?KW=Jackdaniels&amp;SM=1&amp;SI=AR&amp;FM=0&amp;OB=1) mp;SM=1&amp;SI=AR&amp;FM=0&amp;OB=1

15th-October-2010, 15:04
Hmm straight into the Con team
from school, iirc, seemed to
play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and
pretty
much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML
gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's
rated by everyone who's coached him, not sure I'd be
willing
to call them all racist, so they must be basing their opinion
on
something else.

From what I've seen at Ireland age level he's genuinely a
prospect not just a stereotype.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 15:08
That's Rhys Ruddock from the Ospreys Academy, yes?


I was actually very careful to state "being produced" not "produced" because of that very point smileys/wink.gif


Ospreys had a role in Ruddock and now Leinster are also playing a role in his development

bosh12
15th-October-2010, 15:10
some serious kite flying going here

Quailman
16th-October-2010, 06:03
Hmm straight into the Con team

from school, iirc, seemed to

play in most u20's matches for Ireland this season, and

pretty

much straight into the Munster A squad, while getting ML

gametime as an u20 (something we rarely do). Seems he's

rated by everyone who's coached him, not sure I'd be

willing

to call them all racist, so they must be basing their opinion

on

something else.



From what I've seen at Ireland age level he's genuinely a

prospect not just a stereotype.

I'd agree with that, quick, very strong in contact, good offloading game and a massive boot. He has to work on his positional and defensive discipline and general skillset (he's been shocking under high balls whenever I've seen him), but he has the raw material to be a HEC level winger at least.

Tobyglen
28th-March-2011, 11:23
2 tries for Zebo against Marys on Saturday. He seems to be
improving a lot.

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 11:33
2 tries for Zebo against Marys on
Saturday. He seems to be
improving a lot.

Yeah, it was strange he wasn't added to the Amlin squad,
imo. Think we had space for one more player (or did Nagle
take up that space?)? He's still very raw but if we could get
him into the team and move Earls back into the centres
we'd have some real pace.

That being said, i can never work out how Con pick their
backs. Zebo played 12 for them at the start of the season,
then Dineen did, now Jouve is, with Dineen at 13. The most
obvious 12 is Deasy who never players there, what gives?
Tony or any other Con guys able to give some insight?

Tobyglen
28th-March-2011, 11:38
2 tries for
Zebo against Marys on
Saturday. He seems to be
improving a lot.

Yeah, it was strange he wasn't added to the Amlin squad,
imo. Think we had space for one more player (or did Nagle
take up that space?)? He's still very raw but if we could get
him into the team and move Earls back into the centres
we'd have some real pace.

That being said, i can never work out how Con pick their
backs. Zebo played 12 for them at the start of the season,
then Dineen did, now Jouve is, with Dineen at 13. The most
obvious 12 is Deasy who never players there, what gives?
Tony or any other Con guys able to give some insight?

I don't know, I can see Zebo going past Hurley, Murphy for
a wing spot next season. He's got decent gas.
Deasy would be a bit small for 12 imo.

Jones, Howlett, Earls, NIQ, Zebo, Keatley, Murray.

Would some serious gas in that team. Only 2 NIQ which
isn't bad.

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 11:49
I don't know, I can see Zebo going past Hurley, Murphy for
a wing spot next season. He's got decent gas.
Deasy would be a bit small for 12 imo.

Jones, Howlett, Earls, NIQ, Zebo, Keatley, Murray.

Would some serious gas in that team. Only 2 NIQ which
isn't bad.

There's still Dowling to come back, I think we've missed
him tbh. Personally I'd favour Zebo over Hurley, Hurley's
solid but is he anything more?

Course it's hard to know which of our backs are bad and
which ones are simply badly coached. That's my biggest
fear that we've finally found some good young backs in
Barnes, Zebo and Hanrahan and we can't make anything of
them due to the coaching.

Tobyglen
28th-March-2011, 11:53
I don't know, I can see Zebo going past Hurley, Murphy for
a wing spot next season. He's got decent gas.
Deasy would be a bit small for 12 imo.

Jones, Howlett, Earls, NIQ, Zebo, Keatley, Murray.

Would some serious gas in that team. Only 2 NIQ which
isn't bad.

There's still Dowling to come back, I think we've missed
him tbh. Personally I'd favour Zebo over Hurley, Hurley's
solid but is he anything more?

Course it's hard to know which of our backs are bad and
which ones are simply badly coached. That's my biggest
fear that we've finally found some good young backs in
Barnes, Zebo and Hanrahan and we can't make anything of
them due to the coaching.
Any news on Dowling's/Hurley's contract? We can't sign
everyone up. We need a new backs coach alright.

busbi
28th-March-2011, 12:10
Was very impressed with him in his last few performances for
Munster. Have heard he was on fire in that Mary's game even
aside from the tries. Should be pressing hard for a place next
season, particularly if he keeps up his recent improvement in
defence.

With Earls, Jones, Zebo, Hanrahan and maybe a few like
Barnes and Deasy we could finally see a HEC standard outside
backline that is predominately homegrown or at least Irish.
Will allow us add power to the pack from outside.

Quailman
28th-March-2011, 14:55
I would keep playing him as much as possible (a real shame
he wasn't drafted into the Amlin squad, but we needed Fogarty
in there and providing he gets the games, Murray is a priority). I'd be playing Keet at 13 and Zebo on the left wing.

He'll have tons of competition for International places (the
guys already there plus Conway, Gilroy and O'Halloran) but I
think he can definitely be a worthy HEC starter for a long
time.

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 16:01
Anyone hear the rumour O'Halloran is being brought in?
Would be a good signing even if i doubt it'll come to pass.

overthehillprop
28th-March-2011, 16:57
Anyone hear the rumour O'Halloran is being brought in?

Would be a good signing even if i doubt it'll come to pass.

heard a rumour that we were looking at him a few weeks back but not sure how true it is/was.

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 17:54
Anyone hear the rumour O'Halloran is
being brought in?
Would be a good signing even if i doubt it'll come to pass.
heard a rumour that we were looking at him a few
weeks back but not sure how true it is/was.

Interesting, he'd be a good signing but it's an admission that
guys like O'Dea and Kuntz and maybe even Zebo aren't rated
that highly.

overthehillprop
28th-March-2011, 18:00
Anyone hear the rumour O'Halloran is

being brought in?

Would be a good signing even if i doubt it'll come to pass.

heard a rumour that we were looking at him a few

weeks back but not sure how true it is/was.



Interesting, he'd be a good signing but it's an admission that

guys like O'Dea and Kuntz and maybe even Zebo aren't rated

that highly.

O'Halloran can play centre and wing i think. Might be an admission that the likes of Hircock isn't rated.

scotscor
28th-March-2011, 18:39
Any chance he can play 12?

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 18:41
Any chance he can play 12?


Who, TOH or Zebo?

scotscor
28th-March-2011, 18:44
TOH.
We seem to have a few 13's floating around, but an Irish born 12 is pretty hard to see. Dineen seems to have completely disappeared which is a pity. I think Murphy played there in a HEC game and was the first in about ten years (Irish born 12 in a HEC game for Munster)

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 18:47
TOH.We seem to have a few 13's floating
around, but an Irish born 12 is pretty hard to see. Dineen
seems to have completely disappeared which is a pity. I think
Murphy played there in a HEC game and was the first in about
ten years (Irish born 12 in a HEC game for Munster)


Hanrahan looks to be a better bet as a 12.

John123
28th-March-2011, 19:19
Was Kuntz even a consideration Joey?

grafter1
28th-March-2011, 19:23
If making it to Munster level on a consistant basis was based solely on attacking Zebo would have a chance. Unfortunately you need to be just as good at defending and tackling. Zebo cant defend and unless he addresses this quickly he'll at best be a squad player in the magners league and more likely will end up being a very good AIL player

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 19:27
Was Kuntz even a consideration Joey?


Laz rates him, good enough for me.

John123
28th-March-2011, 19:32
Was Kuntz even a consideration Joey?





Laz rates him, good enough for me.

I saw a lot of him up to U18's and while he always stood out cause he had great gas and was very physical, I always doubted he has the necessary skills to go pro. Again, it's been two years since I've seen him so he may have improved bagloads since...

Quailman
28th-March-2011, 19:39
If making it to Munster level on a consistant basis was based solely on attacking Zebo would have a chance. Unfortunately you need to be just as good at defending and tackling. </span>Zebo cant defend and unless he addresses this quickly he'll at best be a squad player in the magners league and more likely will end up being a very good AIL player

Have you watched him the last couple of months? His defence has actually been very strong.

In the U20s he was sloppy positionally and often looked lazy in defence (realignment and positioning), but that hasn't been evident in his ML appearances.

Tobyglen
28th-March-2011, 19:40
If making it to Munster level on a
consistant basis was based solely on attacking Zebo would
have a chance.* Unfortunately you need to be just as good
at defending &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;and
tackling.* &lt;/span&gt;Zebo cant defend and unless he
addresses this quickly he'll at best be a squad player in the
magners league and more likely will end up being a very
good AIL playerHave you watched him the last
couple of months? His defence has actually been very
strong.In the U20s he was sloppy positionally and often
looked lazy in defence (realignment and positioning), but
that hasn't been evident in his ML appearances.
Grafter hasn't a rashers, he thinks David Wallace has lost
all his pace.

JoeyFantastic
28th-March-2011, 19:41
If making it to Munster level on a
consistant basis was based solely on attacking Zebo would
have a chance.* Unfortunately you need to be just as good
at defending &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;and
tackling.* &lt;/span&gt;Zebo cant defend and unless he
addresses this quickly he'll at best be a squad player in the
magners league and more likely will end up being a very
good AIL playerHave you watched him the last
couple of months? His defence has actually been very
strong.In the U20s he was sloppy positionally and often
looked lazy in defence (realignment and positioning), but
that hasn't been evident in his ML appearances.

He's been putting himself in place to tackle but his tackling
technique itself is poor, or at least, it was against Treviso,
iirc.

grafter1
28th-March-2011, 19:57
If making it to Munster level on a
consistant basis was based solely on attacking Zebo would
have a chance. Unfortunately you need to be just as good
at defending &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;and
tackling. &lt;/span&gt;Zebo cant defend and unless he
addresses this quickly he'll at best be a squad player in the
magners league and more likely will end up being a very
good AIL playerHave you watched him the last
couple of months? His defence has actually been very
strong.In the U20s he was sloppy positionally and often
looked lazy in defence (realignment and positioning), but
that hasn't been evident in his ML appearances.
Grafter hasn't a rashers, he thinks David Wallace has lost
all his pace.


Good man Toby keep going with that one.


You think Wallace still has the pace he had 5 years ago. Who hasnt a rashers i wonder?


Watch Zebo defend and come back to me.


You should learn to debate rather than ridicule. You might get further in life if you learn to tolerate the views of others - especially if you're posting on a fans forum.


Zebo is a great player going forward but im sorry he cant defend

Tobyglen
28th-March-2011, 20:02
If making it to
Munster level on a consistant basis was based solely on
attacking Zebo would have a chance.* Unfortunately you
need to be just as good at defending &lt;span style="font-
weight: bold;"&gt;and tackling.* &lt;/span&gt;Zebo cant defend
and unless he addresses this quickly he'll at best be a
squad player in the magners league and more likely will
end up being a very good AIL playerHave you
watched him the last couple of months? His defence has
actually been very strong.In the U20s he was sloppy
positionally and often looked lazy in defence (realignment
and positioning), but that hasn't been evident in his ML
appearances. Grafter hasn't a rashers, he thinks
David Wallace has lost all his pace.


Good man Toby keep going with that one.


You think Wallace still has the pace he had 5 years ago.*
Who hasnt a rashers i wonder?


Watch Zebo defend and come back to me.


You should learn to debate rather than ridicule. You
might get further in life if you learn to tolerate the views of
others - especially if you're posting on a fans forum.


Zebo is a great player going forward but im sorry he
cant defend
Wallace hasn't lost a bit of pace, did you see his try against
Toulon? He's an animal & still has no issues getting around
the pitch for 80 minutes. Zebo will make it aswell.
Ireland's best back in the Irish U-20s world cup. Tackling is
all about technique, he'll learn that quickly.

John123
28th-March-2011, 20:09
IF tackling is his only problem I wouldn't be too worried, anyone remember the great Denis Hickie?

davidos
28th-March-2011, 20:10
If making it to
Munster level on a consistant basis was based solely on
attacking Zebo would have a chance.* Unfortunately you
need to be just as good at defending &lt;span style="font-
weight: bold;"&gt;and tackling.* &lt;/span&gt;Zebo cant defend
and unless he addresses this quickly he'll at best be a
squad player in the magners league and more likely will
end up being a very good AIL playerHave you
watched him the last couple of months? His defence has
actually been very strong.In the U20s he was sloppy
positionally and often looked lazy in defence (realignment
and positioning), but that hasn't been evident in his ML
appearances. Grafter hasn't a rashers, he thinks
David Wallace has lost all his pace.


Good man Toby keep going with that one.


You think Wallace still has the pace he had 5 years ago.*
Who hasnt a rashers i wonder?


Watch Zebo defend and come back to me.


You should learn to debate rather than ridicule. You
might get further in life if you learn to tolerate the views of
others - especially if you're posting on a fans forum.


Zebo is a great player going forward but im sorry he
cant defend
Wallace hasn't lost a bit of pace, did you see his try against
Toulon? He's an animal & still has no issues getting around
the pitch for 80 minutes. Zebo will make it aswell.
Ireland's best back in the Irish U-20s world cup. Tackling is
all about technique, he'll learn that quickly.

I don't think that was a great world cup, though their grand
slam was pretty impressive.

wrangy
28th-March-2011, 20:20
IF tackling is his only problem I wouldn't be too worried, anyone remember the great Denis Hickie?


I just had to dig it up. What covering, what a tackle


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-qTQM

Munsterboy
29th-March-2011, 07:41
IF tackling is his
only problem I wouldn't be too worried, anyone
remember the great Denis Hickie?


I just had to dig it up. What covering, what a
tackle


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-
<br / target="_blank">qTQM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-
qTQM</a>

Jesus he had some wheels didn't he? I miss Denis. smileys/cry.gif

LeakyBoots
29th-March-2011, 07:53
The ref had pace too!

Cowboy
29th-March-2011, 07:57
IF tackling is his
only problem I wouldn't be too worried, anyone
remember the great Denis Hickie?


I just had to dig it up. What covering, what a
tackle


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-
<br / target="_blank">qTQM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-
qTQM</a>

Jesus he had some wheels didn't he? I miss Denis. smileys/cry.gif


The man was an aeroplane.

flynn's Ghost
29th-March-2011, 08:03
i forgot how fst he was. great tackle

Ruckuss
29th-March-2011, 09:36
I agree with Tobyglen about Zebo at the under 20 WC, I watched every Ireland match and a few others, he played well when many around him were poor

breakfast roll
29th-March-2011, 10:09
Zebo's has a few things he needs to work on. He tackles
too high, offloads when perhaps he should not and his
positioning is pretty poor. However he is superb in attack,
defenders dont seem to be able to read him at all. If
youth/academy coaches are unable to iron out his flaws
then I fail to see the value in having these coaches. Very
few if any players at 20/21 are the finished article. The fact
that he has got a senior contract is very promising, leaving
a player go due to the above flaws would be an awful
decision considering what he brings to the table.
I went to a few Con games a few weeks ago and he
seemed to get very irritated at the coaches when they
were instructing him from the line. It may have been that
too many people were giving him too many instruction at
once but it didnt look good. If he has the right attitude then
he has a great chance of being a regular HC starter. A back
3 of Earls, Jones and Zebo has an awful lot of potential.

John123
29th-March-2011, 11:32
IF tackling is his

only problem I wouldn't be too worried, anyone

remember the great Denis Hickie?



I just had to dig it up. What covering, what a

tackle



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-%0D%3Cbr%20/%20target=" _blank="" target="_blank">qTQM"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-

qTQM</a>



Jesus he had some wheels didn't he? I miss Denis. smileys/cry.gif

Me too, sensational player and Ireland have missed him. Retired too early imho, still had a couple of seasons in him.

Skyhawk
29th-March-2011, 13:42
I watched him playing against St. Marys at the weekend, and he really stood out as a fine player. Obviously Munster is a big step up, will be interesting to see how he gets on at a higher level

isola ciarrai
29th-March-2011, 16:54
IF tackling is his only problem I wouldn't be too
worried, anyone remember the great Denis Hickie?

Saw Zebo up close once or twice and he has two things we have not had in
a native product is a long time - raw power and real speed. We simply
must make a player out of him, we cannot afford to waste him. Only for
very dubious crossing call in Aironi, would have made a sensational break.
He is fast, really fast, like Earls fast. Tackling is a skill and a technique
needing only decent backs and defence coaching.......which he is not
receiving here.
Unlike Denis H, Zebo is huge and hard and will hurt people even with an
average tackle.
Can see it now - Earls counterattacks, blazes up the middle offloads to
Zebo - boom! Mind you, he loves himself, but then he is young and gifted.
From a sceptic I am a convert - he has it all in potential.

Rogfan88
29th-March-2011, 17:14
I was at the Cork con vs Munsters game a few months back
and from what i saw of Zebo wasn't much, but I can say that
he is very comfortable under the highball, otherwise he waas
more a spectator than a player at that game. He also can't
kick a ball! went to kick the ball from his own 22 and he
kicked it all the way passed the opposing tryline, out of
bounds! I still think he has potential from what I saw from him
in a Munster top imo.

Clubman
29th-March-2011, 17:49
IF tackling is his

only problem I wouldn't be too worried, anyone

remember the great Denis Hickie?



I just had to dig it up. What covering, what a

tackle



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-%0D%3Cbr%20/%20target=" _blank="" target="_blank">qTQM"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m47gK-

qTQM</a>



Jesus he had some wheels didn't he? I miss Denis. smileys/cry.gif





The man was an aeroplane.

Have another look and keep an eye out for the Bull. Now there is a slow man that managed to cover an amount of ground, back in the day unfortunately.

scotscor
23rd-January-2012, 22:35
BBC reporting that Zebo out of the additional players with an injury, anyone know anything?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/16685978.stm

Late try
23rd-January-2012, 22:40
Saw Zebo up close once or twice and he has two things we have not had in
a native product is a long time - raw power and real speed. We simply
must make a player out of him, we cannot afford to waste him. Only for
very dubious crossing call in Aironi, would have made a sensational break.
He is fast, really fast, like Earls fast. Tackling is a skill and a technique
needing only decent backs and defence coaching.......which he is not
receiving here.
Unlike Denis H, Zebo is huge and hard and will hurt people even with an
average tackle.
Can see it now - Earls counterattacks, blazes up the middle offloads to
Zebo - boom! Mind you, he loves himself, but then he is young and gifted.
From a sceptic I am a convert - he has it all in potential.

From March last year, worth bumping.

JoeyFantastic
23rd-January-2012, 22:40
BBC reporting that Zebo out of the additional players with an injury, anyone know anything?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/16685978.stm

Meant to be the injured Luke Fitz. Zebo is in the A squad now.

Bosco
23rd-January-2012, 22:58
If he pulled up his socks, imagine how good he would be

McCloud
23rd-January-2012, 23:05
If he pulled up his socks, imagine how good he would be

Better aerodynamics for a start. Bunched up like that on his ankles must be creating a bit of wind resistance.

Bosco
23rd-January-2012, 23:11
plus its hard to tell what colour socks he is wearing

Tobyglen
23rd-January-2012, 23:15
I don't know, I can see Zebo going past Hurley, Murphy for
a wing spot next season. He's got decent gas.
Deasy would be a bit small for 12 imo.

Jones, Howlett, Earls, NIQ, Zebo, Keatley, Murray.

Would some serious gas in that team. Only 2 NIQ which
isn't bad.
Another genius call from last season.

Who's Peter O' Mahoney again?

joconnell
23rd-January-2012, 23:37
;)

http://www.planetrugby.com/poll/results/0,26151,308906,00.html

gavindillon
23rd-January-2012, 23:42
;)

http://www.planetrugby.com/poll/results/0,26151,308906,00.html

Brilliant!

Bosco
23rd-January-2012, 23:48
Another genius call from last season.

Who's Peter O' Mahoney again?

How is that genius? you go 4 out of 7 players in the back line wrong, Contradicted yourself with Murphy by saying he would be on the wing, but then you didn't name him, and he only shifted the to the wing cos Hurley pushed him out of the FB role. :)

Waterfordlad
23rd-January-2012, 23:49
Nice one

Tobyglen
23rd-January-2012, 23:51
How is that genius? you go 4 out of 7 players in the back line wrong, Contradicted yourself with Murphy by saying he would be on the wing, but then you didn't name him, and he only shifted the to the wing cos Hurley pushed him out of the FB role. :)
Tony will figure it out soon. He's only started playing young O' Mahoney because of my threats.

Tobyglen
24th-January-2012, 00:10
1367

gavindillon
24th-January-2012, 00:14
Classic! The facial expression makes it! I'm going to put that somewhere safe for later usage if you don't mind!

isola ciarrai
24th-January-2012, 01:01
Saw Zebo up close once or twice and he has two things we have not had in
a native product is a long time - raw power and real speed. We simply
must make a player out of him, we cannot afford to waste him. Only for
very dubious crossing call in Aironi, would have made a sensational break.
He is fast, really fast, like Earls fast. Tackling is a skill and a technique
needing only decent backs and defence coaching.......which he is not
receiving here.
Unlike Denis H, Zebo is huge and hard and will hurt people even with an
average tackle.
Can see it now - Earls counterattacks, blazes up the middle offloads to
Zebo - boom! Mind you, he loves himself, but then he is young and gifted.
From a sceptic I am a convert - he has it all in potential.

Can I just congratulate myself on this perceptive post last March? Modesty, nah!

lactose intolerant
24th-January-2012, 01:04
Classic! The facial expression makes it! I'm going to put that somewhere safe for later usage if you don't mind!

Looking at your avatar makes me realise how zebo still has much to learn.....he's holding the ball in the wrong bloody hand

isola ciarrai
24th-January-2012, 01:09
From March last year, worth bumping.

Late, bumped the damn thing myself. I am so rarely right about anything, I am wallowing in this one. Like a pig in.......
Mind you, though Sam T was the business!

Lomasney
24th-January-2012, 02:00
Well, if the Rugby Career fails, looks like he could resurrect the Die hard franchise!!! lol

MrsMcGahan
24th-January-2012, 08:54
Didn't think his 'showboating' was too extreme - mostly youthful exhuberance, Earls' 'dive' v Italy in the WC was worse.
You need players with a bit of confidance. He has great hands - the pass from Hurley was close to his knees but he took it effortlessly and the catch from the 2nd half drop off was a gem too - that ball bounced off his chest but he took it anyway. He'll be a real thorn in opposition sides. On top of that he has a huge boot on him.
But not much of a dancer according to Axel. Useless at table tennis too apparently.

Grandpasimpson
24th-January-2012, 08:59
I have been thinking for a good while that this lad will be a superstar, indeed even got grief a few weeks back in the pub for saying it. However he really needs to quit with the swallow dives, how we give out about the likes of Ashton when he does it. Now I'm not categorising the lad in the same sub-spieces as Ashton but where did he get the "spit or swallow" nickname from?

MrsMcGahan
24th-January-2012, 09:04
A big difference with Ashton's swallow diving is that he dives with arms outstretched holding the ball with 1 hand. That will definitely go wrong one day and he'll drop the ball. Think that's what's annoying the coaches more than the showboating.

Duffman
24th-January-2012, 09:11
His show boating was retarded to the extreme, just put the effin ball down you little ****

the plastic paddy
24th-January-2012, 09:19
Don't mind players diving in to score as long as they have very close control of the ball as Zebo does and Earls did. What I hate about Ashton'd dive is he has so little control of the ball. Diving into score is actually a much safer way to put the ball down: I have seen plenty of players damage hamstrings putting the ball down stood upright. Zebo is not Ashton because he is fairly sound defensively, he plays for the team and he also has a cracking left boot which is a real asset. There is no chance he will be allowed to get ahead of himself.

gavindillon
24th-January-2012, 09:51
There is no chance he will be allowed to get ahead of himself.

No worries there. I think most of us can agree that for a Heineken Hat Trick after only 4 (I think) matches in the competition is cause for a little celebration, especially towards the end when the game was won. The squad will slag that out of him for the rest of the year. To be fair, the crowd were also chanting his name, which is something you'd rarely see, and he must have just been giving them what they wanted. Youthful excitement and nothing to be concerned about. He won't do it again (although I'd happily put up with one showy personality in the team if he continues scoring hat tricks). Ashton doesn't even come into the equation as a comparison!

munstershane
24th-January-2012, 09:54
A big difference with Ashton's swallow diving is that he dives with arms outstretched holding the ball with 1 hand. That will definitely go wrong one day and he'll drop the ball. Think that's what's annoying the coaches more than the showboating.

Agreed. No probs with Zebo if the ball is tucked under one arm. Ashtons celebration is an accident waiting to happen.

John123
24th-January-2012, 09:58
What's the problem either way? As long as they don't drop it big deal...

As an aside he has lovely hairless legs. FFS...

Angus Axe
24th-January-2012, 10:44
Give him his credit, he's got an opportunity with Dougie out injured and he's grabbed it with both hands. He got natural speed, something we've not had a lot of. As long as he keeps scoring, he can cross the line doing the cancan.

Boo-boo
24th-January-2012, 11:01
When you think of the outstretched arms of both Botha and Murphy's tries they must have super glued the ball on. The tries were all good calibre and no soft let ins.

Anyone have any links yet for the tries?

B.A.
24th-January-2012, 11:07
Another genius call from last season.

Who's Peter O' Mahoney again?

You also said BJ Botha was a terrible signing.

Valencia
24th-January-2012, 11:39
To be fair Zebo, he has a name made for crowd adulation and chanting....you can't really imagine "Murrr....phy!!" No offence to Johne. Actually watched the game in full again last night, massive kudos to Johne Murphy who pulled Tiny's arm as he was reaching into touch down. He'd been slowed bravely by Keith Earls, but it was Murphy who saved a certain try

Unfortunately we then ballsed up the setting up for said scrum

Weetabix
24th-January-2012, 11:47
I've been critical of him anytime I've seen him in the Rabid Erect 12 (say it in a posh dub accent ;)) this season, but he's getting better all the time, I texted this to my bud on Saturday night "In fairness himself (Zebo) and Coughlan have been immense tonight. Might we actually have a big game "showtime" ego, with skills to match?"
Willy Beeman in the making

the plastic paddy
24th-January-2012, 12:04
To be fair Zebo, he has a name made for crowd adulation and chanting....you can't really imagine "Murrr....phy!!" No offence to Johne. Actually watched the game in full again last night, massive kudos to Johne Murphy who pulled Tiny's arm as he was reaching into touch down. He'd been slowed bravely by Keith Earls, but it was Murphy who saved a certain try

Unfortunately we then ballsed up the setting up for said scrumPleased to see Johne picking up some plaudits for his efforts, I think he has been very good for Munster this year and picks up a lot of unfair slagging.

JN.Allezdax.com
24th-January-2012, 12:23
Out of the wing,
When the defense is bright,
Comes the horseman known as Zebo.
This bold runner
Carves a "Z" with his run,
A "Z" that stands for Zebo.

Zebo, Zebo, the fox so cunning and free,
Zebo, Zebo, who makes the run of the Z.

He is polite,
But the wicked take flight
When they run behind him, Zebo.
He’s friend of the speed,
And side-step, and bright space,
This very unique senor Zebo.

Zebo, Zebo, the fox so cunning and free,
Zebo, Zebo, who makes the sign of the Z.

Zebo, Zebo, Zebo, Zebo, Zebo.

Ok, going back to my siesta, it's better... http://kay.smiley.free.fr/images/2320.gif

ustix
24th-January-2012, 12:29
Out of the wing,
When the defense is bright,
Comes the horseman known as Zebo.
This bold runner
Carves a "Z" with his run,
A "Z" that stands for Zebo.

Zebo, Zebo, the fox so cunning and free,
Zebo, Zebo, who makes the run of the Z.

He is polite,
But the wicked take flight
When they run behind him, Zebo.
He’s friend of the speed,
And side-step, and bright space,
This very unique senor Zebo.

Zebo, Zebo, the fox so cunning and free,
Zebo, Zebo, who makes the sign of the Z.

Zebo, Zebo, Zebo, Zebo, Zebo.

Ok, going back to my siesta, it's better... http://kay.smiley.free.fr/images/2320.gif
Magnifique, Dax.
Back to the dayjob for you and young Simon too.

Jackdaniels
24th-January-2012, 14:23
A big difference with Ashton's swallow diving is that he dives with arms outstretched holding the ball with 1 hand. That will definitely go wrong one day and he'll drop the ball. Think that's what's annoying the coaches more than the showboating.

Earlsy does it it the odd time too. I wouldnt mind it so much once it doesnt become regular. Just ask Jeremy Staunton or any of us Garryowen lads about how wrong it can go!! Will never forget that day! Eejit! :)

C'mere on the OP....I was 100% wrong and I am 100% deligted to admit it :)