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noelymull
15th-October-2010, 12:38
Wayne Barnes is ref for tomorrows match,is this good or bad


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McCloud
15th-October-2010, 12:39
It's all right he knows we are not the AB's.

paki
15th-October-2010, 12:39
We'll know by 5.30 or so tomorrow.

Viigand
15th-October-2010, 12:40
Could be worse, at least we can't get a French ref smileys/smile.gif

fogerty
15th-October-2010, 13:02
Barnes is one of the better refs out there imo.

buck65
15th-October-2010, 13:57
I think it's good we have a ref.

munstermania
15th-October-2010, 14:08
I think it's good we have a ref.


yes refs are very important people..........

POC Lost Tooth
15th-October-2010, 14:12
Depends on whether he gives us loads of penalties or not
really

Patman
15th-October-2010, 14:30
Barnes did not acquit himself well down under recently.
Missed an awful lot.

rathbaner
15th-October-2010, 14:36
And he's no homer, unfortunately.

We are long overdue a homer though.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 14:38
Barnes did not acquit himself well down under recently.
Missed an awful lot.


Quinlan will have a field day then.

Patman
15th-October-2010, 14:41
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So would "Roll that shoulder Hayes" if he gets on.

Remember, it's only illegal if you get caught.

Hellboy
15th-October-2010, 15:13
Wayne Barnes reffed Toulon 2 times last season, one time in Top 14 vs Biarritz, then in Amlin 1/2 final at Connacht.
Some of you probably remember this 8 min of extra time at the end of the first half, with a neverending session of 10 scrums... smileys/sad.gif

dropkick
15th-October-2010, 19:09
Its bad for Munster. He won't be influenced by the crowd.

munster cat
15th-October-2010, 19:32
Its bad for Munster. He won't be influenced by the crowd.


Could we send him Flowers at the hotel so ??


We need to Love Bomb him for 80 minutes plus 8 !!!

sewa
15th-October-2010, 19:45
Wayne Barnes reffed Toulon 2 times last season, one time in Top 14 vs Biarritz, then in Amlin 1/2 final at Connacht.
Some of you probably remember this 8 min of extra time at the end of the first half, with a neverending session of 10 scrums... smileys/sad.gif



Yeah that was great viewing. Really enjoyed it. A lesser ref would have given a penno try

sparks
15th-October-2010, 21:10
At least its not a scottish ref we have!

Healy52003
15th-October-2010, 21:20
whats the ref link freq for the match

eyeforagap
15th-October-2010, 21:25
Its actually ridiculous how much importance is given to the ref in the modern game. All these newand amended rules have done is drawn some attention from the game itself and more than should be to the ref. A good ref should never be noticed in a game. imo....smileys/smile.gif

youngmunster
16th-October-2010, 04:32
At least its not a scottish ref we have! Mr. N Patterson AK:Mrs. Doubtfire listen to his voice the next time he ref's a game it's the same as Mrs. Doubtfire!

buck65
16th-October-2010, 06:37
Or God forbid James "Dramtatic Handmovements, fake tan"Jones.


Jones isn't the worst , Patterson is. What about George Clancy last week ! Almost the most baffling decision in sport not to go upstairs for 2 minutes.

Cowboy
16th-October-2010, 07:42
whats the ref link freq for the
match╩


Bumpy Bump Bump. Any help here would be greatly
appreciated. Barnes likes to talk a fair bit during the game

Paddy Whac
16th-October-2010, 07:49
whats the ref link freq for the
match╩


Bumpy Bump Bump. Any help here would be greatly
appreciated. Barnes likes to talk a fair bit during the game





Dont think there are ref links for Pool games.

kahalui
16th-October-2010, 08:18
Id prefer any other.. bar Poite . Barnes isnt a home town ref.

Viigand
16th-October-2010, 09:02
Worst refs in order are Poite, Jones and Patterson. As long as they don't have the whistle, I'm not overly concerned.

Eastender
16th-October-2010, 10:00
There was a ref link in Reading last week

Benny
16th-October-2010, 10:20
I have no problem with Barnes. He has his faults/limitations just like everybody else but he is one of the better refs. The fact he is disliked in New Zealand is enough proof of this. The problem being that some Munster supporters are like their NZ counterparts in that they don't believe all the laws apply to their team.

kahalui
16th-October-2010, 11:06
Owens is reffing the clermont racing game. No word of French though.. its all hands away, ruck, release, no hands.... Surely itd be easier if he learned those few words in French instead of expecting all of the french players to understand him.

Redeye
16th-October-2010, 13:15
He is one of the worst Ref's ever. He misses everything.

Pony
16th-October-2010, 13:25
Half time and the answer clearly is that he's a shocking ref. The English media love him and hail him as the best. He is always anti-Irish style at the breakdown but he misses too much IMO. ROG was high tackled near the Toloun line and dragged into a ruck but the pen was against us. Just plain don't rate the guy

kahalui
16th-October-2010, 13:30
me neither

banjaxed
16th-October-2010, 14:23
Thought he had a bad one today,smileys/confused.gif

RichardP
16th-October-2010, 14:24
Don't agree, though he did very well. TMO had a bad one.

Eastender
16th-October-2010, 15:21
Barnes was an embarrassment to the game today, from our half way
line point of view. Need to see it again, but so does the assescer.
Shocking the number of forward passes and crooked throws he
missed. But then, got no help from touch judges. What are they
supposed to be there for?

TippRed
16th-October-2010, 15:24
Or God forbid James "Dramtatic Handmovements, fake tan"Jones.


Jones isn't the worst , Patterson is. What about George Clancy last week ! Almost the most baffling decision in sport not to go upstairs for 2 minutes.





Clancy's could not go upstairs until the ball was dead. It was not clear that he had touched it down as it came loose and was picked up the defender who decided to run. Normall, they would touch it down for a 22. It was either a try or a knock on and he was playing advantage for the knock on and they went to check the TMO when ball was dead. according to the rules Clancy was correct however it would have been very interesting if play had ended up a try at the other end.

RichardP
16th-October-2010, 15:39
Barnes was an embarrassment to the game today, from our half way
line point of view. Need to see it again, but so does the assescer.
Shocking the number of forward passes and crooked throws he
missed. But then, got no help from touch judges. What are they
supposed to be there for?



Serious over-reaction; he missed a few things, made 2-3 calls I disagreed with but that'shardly surprising in a game played at a high pace.I can't say I saw all those fwd passes or crooked throws you saw butI was watching on TV so you might well have had a better vantage point. Over all I thought Barnes had a decent game.

munsterforever
16th-October-2010, 15:49
Barnes was an embarrassment to the game today, from our half way

line point of view. Need to see it again, but so does the assescer.

Shocking the number of forward passes and crooked throws he

missed. But then, got no help from touch judges. What are they

supposed to be there for?


+1

Im after walking away from a red tide performance which ought to have resulted in a flood of biblical proportions... a tragedy for Toulon held back only by wayne "canute" barnes himself. Awful reffing

munstermoll
16th-October-2010, 16:54
WAYNE BARNES you are a grade A Knob Jockey...

my rant over

lid1978
16th-October-2010, 17:22
Loved the chant from the crowd "TMO TMO TMO..." after the
Toulon try in the second half.

Thought he wasn't up to the pace at times.

Refs always get the abuse. It wouldn't be right if they didn't I
suppose.

Eastender
16th-October-2010, 17:45
Refs can't do everything, but why don't their touch judge team assist?
Does Barnes not welcome it. He needed it today, and normally I like
Barnes, but he was way off today.

Pixie
16th-October-2010, 18:29
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.

overthehillprop
16th-October-2010, 18:36
Refs can't do everything, but why don't their touch judge team assist?

Does Barnes not welcome it. He needed it today, and normally I like

Barnes, but he was way off today.

they did help Barnes but he didn't seem to want to know. The touch judge for Micko's try i think had to say it four or five times before he believed him and it still looked like he wanted to go to the TMO.

Barnes was poor for both sides. A lot of high tackles and forward passes missed by him and the TJ's.

James Lynch
16th-October-2010, 19:16
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.

Maybe, but Munster missed all the tackles for the opening try.

I would fault Barnes more in his inconsistency relating to a number plays throughout the game. Particularly releasing the ball when tackled and also tackler releasing the player.
He did also (with his TMO) get the Johne Murphy try decision spectacularly wrong.

16th-October-2010, 19:30
I actually thought the Murphy decision was right - didn't like it
but it looked like the call in the end was good. I think the TMO
got the Buckley first try wrong as it looked more like a maul
than a ruck so he wasn't double moving he was placing the
ball after driving.

James Lynch
16th-October-2010, 19:44
I actually thought the Murphy decision was right - didn't like it

but it looked like the call in the end was good. I think the TMO

got the Buckley first try wrong as it looked more like a maul

than a ruck so he wasn't double moving he was placing the

ball after driving.

But EO if it wasn't a try it could only have been a lineout, not a 22 dropout. Touching the flag with a leg doesn't count anymore unless its at ground level and Murphy was never out of bounds in the in goal area. so surely giving the 22 meant he got it wrong either way. I still think it was a good try.

Tobyglen
16th-October-2010, 19:48
I actually thought the Murphy decision was right - didn't like it

but it looked like the call in the end was good. I think the TMO

got the Buckley first try wrong as it looked more like a maul

than a ruck so he wasn't double moving he was placing the

ball after driving.

But EO if it wasn't a try it could only have been a lineout, not a 22 dropout. Touching the flag with a leg doesn't count anymore unless its at ground level and Murphy was never out of bounds in the in goal area. so surely giving the 22 meant he got it wrong either way. I still think it was a good try.

Spot on James, your allowed make contact with the flag now, dreadful decison from the replays they showed on sky. It was a nailed on try.

Buckleys first effort was good aswell imo, he didn't move a second time and your allowed place the ball.

16th-October-2010, 19:49
I actually thought the Murphy decision
was right - didn't like it
but it looked like the call in the end was good. I think the
TMO
got the Buckley first try wrong as it looked more like a
maul
than a ruck so he wasn't double moving he was placing the
ball after driving.But EO if it wasn't a try it could
only have been a lineout, not a 22 dropout. Touching the
flag with a leg doesn't count anymore unless its at ground
level and Murphy was never out of bounds in the in goal
area. so surely giving the 22 meant he got it wrong either
way. I still think it was a good try.

Just watched recording and although it's not clear I thought
he was touch in goal, the flag wasn't the issue he was
beyond it into the in goal area. (Having said that I didn't
realise how poor the replay is for showing the full picture).
Didn't the TMO give the decision on no try, 22 - that's what
usually happens. The ref asks the TMO to confirm what he
should give because the ref doesn't call why it's not a try?

Also Murphy needed to slide he actually went for the jump
in and that may have put him out of play more than
Contepomi, it was always really tight into the corner.

Clubman
16th-October-2010, 21:30
Well if we had issues with Barnes, we have to be sympathetic to Leinster who had the dreadful berdos. Truly awful.

galinka
16th-October-2010, 21:35
made 2 calls AFTER the crowd screamed - high tackle and crossing midfield.


Missed George Smith taking out Earls - poor Frederico got caught for grabbing Howlett.


Poor today Wayne.

munstershane
16th-October-2010, 23:36
TMO, TMO, TMO.............

Hellboy
17th-October-2010, 05:08
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.
True.
And on the other hand, you could thanks him for George Smith and Contepomi sin bins for imaginary faults.

20 minutes that helped you a lot to score most of your valids and non-valids tries... smileys/wink.gif

Pixie
17th-October-2010, 07:06
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.
True.
And on the other hand, you could thanks him for George Smith and Contepomi sin bins for imaginary faults.

20 minutes that helped you a lot to score most of your valids and non-valids tries... smileys/wink.gif



We did not win in 20 mins wewon in 80- 6 valid tries.As a ref Barnes palyed for no one- he missed numerousinfringements from both sides including some high tackles.Sin binning- first one was after he specifically warned Toulon- it was a legit binning- same with the second one legit looking at replay clear infringemnt

17th-October-2010, 14:10
TMO
was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward*
pass leading to the opening try.True.And on the
other hand, you could thanks him for George Smith and
Contepomi sin bins for imaginary faults. 20 minutes that
helped you a lot to score most of your valids and non-
valids tries... smileys/wink.gif


We did not win in 20 mins wewon in 80- 6 valid tries.As
a ref Barnes palyed for no one- he missed
numerousinfringements from both sides including some
high tackles.Sin binning- first one was after he specifically
warned Toulon- it was a legit binning- same with the
second one legit looking at replay clear
infringemnt

second did Toulon a favour, if he'd gone after the more
directly involved offence Smith would have had a second
yellow.

99_oK?
17th-October-2010, 14:32
Even after watching replay (+ highlights) though WB got a
lot wrong (esp. for a ref who has a reputation for being
fussy). In fairness got a fair bit right too (breakdown was
reffed failrly I thought), but some big calls just wrong. As
regards YCs - first was merited (& coming); thought 2nd a
bit harsh. Don't think he 'favoured' either team.

EO, Johne's try was in front of me - good try. However, I
haven't seen any pics of the touchdown (all shots too high)
and he certainly wasn't in touch (flag was put flying, but
that was the Doc after the ball was grounded). But I do
think Mr. Murphy might have learned his lesson re.
showboating..... Maybe that's why WB just would give the
score smileys/shock.gif - we all know showbaoting is one of the
unwritten no-nos of rugby union... smileys/wink.gif.

munster cat
17th-October-2010, 14:44
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.
True.
And on the other hand, you could thanks him for George Smith and Contepomi sin bins for imaginary faults.

20 minutes that helped you a lot to score most of your valids and non-valids tries... smileys/wink.gif



So in France you can put your hand in the Ruck on your try line with opposition's play and also grab a player chasing the ball from behind without the ball and not pay the penalty. Would you ever go and smell the coffee. If you deliberately cheat and commit a professional offence in a try scoring situation you pay the penalty - Sin Bin. Imaginery faults my arse.........


You might also explain how French Teams always come out of that wooden box used by Jean Pierre Lux with "Home"draws in the semifinals of the HCUP..............there are no glass boxes available in France !!!!!!!!!

17th-October-2010, 15:41
Even after watching replay (+
highlights) though WB got a
lot wrong (esp. for a ref who has a reputation for being
fussy). In fairness got a fair bit right too (breakdown was
reffed failrly I thought), but some big calls just wrong. As
regards YCs - first was merited (& coming); thought 2nd a
bit harsh. Don't think he 'favoured' either team.

EO, Johne's try was in front of me - good try. However, I
haven't seen any pics of the touchdown (all shots too high)
and he certainly wasn't in touch (flag was put flying, but
that was the Doc after the ball was grounded). But I do
think Mr. Murphy might have learned his lesson re.
showboating..... Maybe that's why WB just would give the
score smileys/shock.gif - we all know showbaoting is one of the
unwritten no-nos of rugby union... smileys/wink.gif.



I think it was Murphy's knee or boot hitting the ground after
the flag, which was ignored, before he grounded the ball. I
didn't see replays til evening and looked very hard to call
but it was iffy enough that it was hard to give. I still think
the Buckley one was much clearer and should have been
given.

17th-October-2010, 15:49
To be fair to Barnes, he did have one of those moments so
many refs are having at the moment, where he held the
scrum too long on the pause. But, unlike most, he had the
sense when one side went to say it was his fault rather than
keep dishing out free kicks when the culprit is clearly the ref.

Hellboy
17th-October-2010, 16:16
TMO

was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward

pass leading to the opening try.True.And on the

other hand, you could thanks him for George Smith and

Contepomi sin bins for imaginary faults. 20 minutes that

helped you a lot to score most of your valids and non-

valids tries... smileys/wink.gif



We did not win in 20 mins wewon in 80- 6 valid tries.As

a ref Barnes palyed for no one- he missed

numerousinfringements from both sides including some

high tackles.Sin binning- first one was after he specifically

warned Toulon- it was a legit binning- same with the

second one legit looking at replay clear

infringemnt



second did Toulon a favour, if he'd gone after the more

directly involved offence Smith would have had a second

yellow.

According that the first yellow for Smith was already harsh,
compensation for the forward pass on Toulon try IMO, a second yellow
into red would have been a little bit exagerated. smileys/wink.gif








TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.
True.
And on the other hand, you could thanks him for George Smith and Contepomi sin bins for imaginary faults.

20 minutes that helped you a lot to score most of your valids and non-valids tries... smileys/wink.gif



So in France you can put your hand in the Ruck on your try line with opposition's play and also grab a player chasing the ball from behind without the ball and not pay the penalty. Would you ever go and smell the coffee. If you deliberately cheat and commit a professional offence in a try scoring situation you pay the penalty - Sin Bin. Imaginery faults my arse.........


You might also explain how French Teams always come out of that wooden box used by Jean Pierre Lux with "Home"draws in the semifinals of the HCUP..............there are no glass boxes available in France !!!!!!!!!What the hell JP Lux have to do with this game ? smileys/shock.gifsmileys/lol.gif

Red October
17th-October-2010, 16:22
Meh. He's just a ref. You play the ref you're dealt. He's not
the worst. He was not the difference between who won or lost
yesterday, nor did he influence whether or not someone
picked up/did not pick up a losing BP or 4 try BP.

When a ref does make those sorts of differences; well, THEN
we have good cause to b***h.

99_oK?
17th-October-2010, 16:41
.....

I think it was Murphy's knee or boot hitting the ground after
the flag, which was ignored, before he grounded the ball. I
didn't see replays til evening and looked very hard to call
but it was iffy enough that it was hard to give. I still think
the Buckley one was much clearer and should have been
given.

Murphy grounded the ball while in the air, leg hit the
ground later, and that's from my own eyes. Camera shots
(that I've seen) just didn't help as they didn't show
grounding, just what happened leading up to it.... A good
TJ should have kept up with play and kept his eye on what
was going on (he seemed to be looking infield at the crucial
mo). Everyone else in our area (NTce) saw what happened
too.

Personally thought Mushy was just short at the time (& that
was right in front of me...), but would agree that the
camera (which I saw later..) does seem to show him
scoring.

Overall, those 2 didn't affect the result and we came
straight back from Mushy's effort to score, so no major
issues there overall.

Ruginator
17th-October-2010, 17:27
Usually ok, but very poorly positioned throughout the game yesterday, im ranking him with the Chaglang's after that performace.

webbie
17th-October-2010, 18:14
I think it was Murphy's knee or boot hitting the ground after
the flag, which was ignored, before he grounded the ball. I
didn't see replays til evening and looked very hard to call
but it was iffy enough that it was hard to give. I still think
the Buckley one was much clearer and should have been
given.


I have to say I would have thought the opposite on this, if they cannot see for sure that his knee or boot hit the ground then they have to give a try.TMO should only go by what they can see in the replay which is that the ball was clearly grounded and there is no evidence of a foot/knee in touch before the grounding.


On Buckey's one I think they were right not to give it, although it is clear that it was grounded it was not done so as part of the original movement, there was clearly quite a delay before it was grounded, so for me there was enough evidence to disallow this one.

limkman1
17th-October-2010, 19:02
one of the tries he did give ,he couldnt see it as he at the other side of the padded post and couldnt see Coughlan touch it down,he had a bad day ,also should have given pen try in 1st half

banjaxed
17th-October-2010, 22:41
Or God forbid James "Dramtatic Handmovements, fake tan"Jones.


Jones isn't the worst , Patterson is. What about George Clancy last week ! Almost the most baffling decision in sport not to go upstairs for 2 minutes.





Clancy's could not go upstairs until the ball was dead. It was not clear that he had touched it down as it came loose and was picked up the defender who decided to run. Normall, they would touch it down for a 22. It was either a try or a knock on and he was playing advantage for the knock on and they went to check the TMO when ball was dead. according to the rules Clancy was correct however it would have been very interesting if play had ended up a try at the other end.





Both tries would have been allowed if it had happened. Maybe they could have flipped a coin to see who took their conversion first smileys/smile.gif.

buck65
18th-October-2010, 05:47
Thought the touch judge on the East side for the first half was particularly bad. Missed the forward pass , a lineout that was a yard crooked, even Howlett's first try escaped his and Barnes attention until the crowd started celebrating on the East stand as we had a perfect view of the grounding.


No great problem with going upstairs at all. Has to be done but the officials missed alot. Thomond was fairly intimidating for them I suppose. Felt the crowd were at their sarcastic, angry best. You'd swear we were playing an English side. Saw some Toulon fans after and they were shellshocked.

DONC
18th-October-2010, 05:50
Meh. He's just a ref. You play the ref you're dealt. He's not
the worst. He was not the difference between who won or lost
yesterday, nor did he influence whether or not someone
picked up/did not pick up a losing BP or 4 try BP.

When a ref does make those sorts of differences; well, THEN
we have good cause to b***h.


Would have to agree with all of that thought he was ok on the day. I thought both yellow cards were justified whilst Smith did interfere with Earls the first offence was Dr Phil.


A bit unfair on Barnes with regard to discussion with touch judge on try, he asked did you see the grounding touch judge said yes, then asked ok to award the try touch judge said yes and the hand went up. That was the limit of the discussion.


At least he trys to be fair (as most English refs do) I really dont get that feeling from some French refs. Would be happy enough to get Barnes, blind Dave, White and Nigel for the rest of our games.

The Spoofer
18th-October-2010, 06:50
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.

Maybe, but Munster missed all the tackles for the opening try.

I would fault Barnes more in his inconsistency relating to a number plays throughout the game. Particularly releasing the ball when tackled and also tackler releasing the player.
He did also (with his TMO) get the Johne Murphy try decision spectacularly wrong.



why did he get thie wrong? It is quite clear that Murphs knee is on the whitewash before the ball is grounded.


The Buckley one was harder to tell.

Pixie
18th-October-2010, 18:39
TMO was appalling.Barnes and touch refs all missed the forward pass leading to the opening try.

Maybe, but Munster missed all the tackles for the opening try.

I would fault Barnes more in his inconsistency relating to a number plays throughout the game. Particularly releasing the ball when tackled and also tackler releasing the player.
He did also (with his TMO) get the Johne Murphy try decision spectacularly wrong.



why did he get thie wrong? It is quite clear that Murphs knee is on the whitewash before the ball is grounded.


The Buckley one was harder to tell.











No it was not clear that his knee touched the line before touching down- on the contrary from replays it looked good - even the guys doing the commentary commented that it would be a harsh decision Not to give a try.

Waterfordlad
18th-October-2010, 22:30
I thought W Barnes had a decent game - sure he missed some things but with high octane rugby like that it's hard to get everything right. I agree the touch judges let him down - especially east side

19th-October-2010, 04:09
I think the problem is lots of people assume that if in doubt
give a try - but I don't think Barnes asked is there any reason
I can't give a try, where the answer would have to have been
no, he asked the TMO to make the decision, since they
couldn't they couldn't give the try.

There is nothing that says if in doubt favour the attacking side
and in fact you'd be a bit hacked off if you're on the receiving
end of what you were close enough to see wasn't a try (as an
example not debating this one) and the benefit of the doubt
was given to the opposition.

webbie
19th-October-2010, 05:01
I think the problem is lots of people assume that if in doubt
give a try - but I don't think Barnes asked is there any reason
I can't give a try, where the answer would have to have been
no, he asked the TMO to make the decision, since they
couldn't they couldn't give the try.

There is nothing that says if in doubt favour the attacking side
and in fact you'd be a bit hacked off if you're on the receiving
end of what you were close enough to see wasn't a try (as an
example not debating this one) and the benefit of the doubt
was given to the opposition.


Surely it depends where the doubt is! There was no doubt the ball was grounded, the doubt was whether he had a foot or knee in touch or not before the grounding and given there was no clear evidence that he was then surely they have to give a try.

HurlerOnDeDitch
19th-October-2010, 13:51
It is not a matter of favouring the attacking team or otherwise.


The function of the TMO could be clearly summerised in one sentence.


If you can't see it, you can't give it.


Therefore, if you can't see the try scored it is not a try. For example if you cannot see the grounding of the ball.


On the other hand, if you cannot see a foot in touch, it is not in touch.


On that basis I thought they got the Murphy decision wrong but the Buckley one right.


On the forward pass, I know a ref cannot be expected to see everything but the ball was passed by a player behind him and almost hit him on the head before being received straight in front of him. He could not possibly have had a better view of it and still missed it.


Some of those decisions could have been crucial in a tighter match. Fortunately they came on a day when it did not have any real effect.

Waterfordlad
19th-October-2010, 18:21
Fair comment

Patman
19th-October-2010, 19:06
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