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scotscor
12th-October-2010, 03:47
If Sam T is banned, not sure he will be, we are fairly goosed at 12.
For me Warwick is not great defensively and having a 10-12 of himself and rog could be weak enough.
Johne has played everywhere else in his 6 games for Munster and may well be given a shot at 12, should be fine for tackling and going forward, but seeing as he has never played 12 before (iirc) might be a slight risk.
Ronan and Leamy have both played 12, can both tackle anything going, and should be able to run straight at the Pony all day, neither the most creative, but both possible when we are struggling and have depth in the back row.
Moving Keef to 12 would be fine if we had someone else to play 13, we don't really except maybe Danny Barnes.

For my money if Sammy is out we should play Deasy, can tackle and is one of our most creative players.

Charco
12th-October-2010, 04:15
If Sammy's banned, it'd probably have to be Murphy. Not ideal.

Hugonaut
12th-October-2010, 04:17
Deasy is the obvious choice – at least he is, for me.

He's a footballer in that he can pass and kick well, who has had good experience of playing both fullback and outhalf. Having seen his most recent performance at OH [for Munster A versus Leinster A], I'd have to say that I don't think his future lies there ... he looks like a guy stuck in to play out half, rather than an out half. Similarly, he's a little short on out-and-out pace and height for a fullback – again, just my opinion.

With that said, he's got buckets and buckets of confidence, invention, a good skillset and is a solid defender. Felix Jones' injuries have meant that he [Deasy] has spent more time at 15 than anywhere else for Munster, but he has also played at 10, 11 and 14. I find it absolutely baffling that he hasn't been afforded one start at 12, a position I feel is an obvious fit for him.

Anyway, Deasy. He should have been tried at 12 before, but now that McGahan's hand is forced I firmly believe he should put him in beside Earls and stick with him for all games for the next month. Let them see how the partnership works out.

Armin Tamzarian
12th-October-2010, 04:38
Deasy is the obvious choice – at least he is, for me.

He's a footballer in that he can pass and kick well, who has had good experience of playing both fullback and outhalf. Having seen his most recent performance at OH [for Munster A versus Leinster A], I'd have to say that I don't think his future lies there ... he looks like a guy stuck in to play out half, rather than an out half. Similarly, he's a little short on out-and-out pace and height for a fullback – again, just my opinion.

With that said, he's got buckets and buckets of confidence, invention, a good skillset and is a solid defender. Felix Jones' injuries have meant that he [Deasy] has spent more time at 15 than anywhere else for Munster, but he has also played at 10, 11 and 14. I find it absolutely baffling that he hasn't been afforded one start at 12, a position I feel is an obvious fit for him.

Anyway, Deasy. He should have been tried at 12 before, but now that McGahan's hand is forced I firmly believe he should put him in beside Earls and stick with him for all games for the next month. Let them see how the partnership works out.






+1. Pity he hasn't got Magners gametime there but for me he is our long term 12. He has all the skills both as a runner and a kicker but isn't good enough for 10 or 15. He's a natural 12. Only cavaet is his defence needs to be proven at the highest level

Ruck
12th-October-2010, 05:40
Deasy would be my choice too if Sammy is found guilty.
And if Sammy is cleared, I want to see Deasy tried there in the ML soon enough anyway. I'm sick of these 1 year contracts holding back the development of our young fellas. Deasy has the skills to make it, give him a chance.

Mebawsa Ritchie
12th-October-2010, 05:44
Gleeson if fit could do the job too. He has the height, weight, and power needed to play 12 at this level.

Deacy doesn't I suspect.

Ruck
12th-October-2010, 05:59
Depends on what you want from your 12 Dermot. Gleeson is very far behind Deasy in terms of skill. McGahan's gameplan doesn't suit a bosh merchant at 12, and Earls is wasted outside one too.

Viigand
12th-October-2010, 06:00
Deasy for me. Sammy will get a 4-6 week ban.

Speedy
12th-October-2010, 06:39
Reckon we'll be thin on the ground in the centres next week. Sammy will get a couple of weeks off and there was no way Earls was fit. I'd be surprised if either togged out.

Deasy-Murphy could be our "last men standing" centre partnership.

Barry Murphy was back in light training last week but its probably too soon for him, otherwise we could see Murphy and Murphy there. Johne has played 12 a bit for Leicester. I think he played there in the RDS a few years ago.

tickettout
12th-October-2010, 06:43
Paul Warwick would slot in easier imo.


If Keith Earls is out, we're in big trouble.

rathbaner
12th-October-2010, 06:45
It's going to be like 2006 where every</span> back gets a chance to play at centre.

soccer rules
12th-October-2010, 07:00
what's the story with barry murphy?

Ruck
12th-October-2010, 07:03
what's the story with barry murphy?

Actually, wasn't he due to play for Bohs at the weekend?

sepico
12th-October-2010, 07:51
what's the story with barry murphy?

Actually, wasn't he due to play for Bohs at the weekend?


waste of a wage in my view

Tony Soprano
12th-October-2010, 08:36
Warwick at 12 is a no-brainer.


Would agree that Barry Murphy should have been cut loose a long time ago. Would at least hope that he's on a pay for play type deal. Unfortunate but you cant have a guy just taking up squad space no matter how talented the guy is. Time for him to collect the insurance money me thinks..

hezza
12th-October-2010, 08:45
If Sammy's banned, it'd probably have to be Murphy. Not ideal.

I remember Deccie played Wallace at 12 once!!

Mebawsa Ritchie
12th-October-2010, 08:49
But if we had Strings, ROG, Warwick &amp; Keef that'd be the smallest halves and midfield in history.

Toulon have the pick of Mignogni, Henjak, DirtyDoc, Lovobalavu, Kefu, Mesina, &amp; May.

We'd be eaten I'd fear.

Hugonaut
12th-October-2010, 08:55
Warwick at 12 is a no-brainer.


Would agree that Barry Murphy should have been cut loose a long time ago. Would at least hope that he's on a pay for play type deal. Unfortunate but you cant have a guy just taking up squad space no matter how talented the guy is. Time for him to collect the insurance money me thinks..

Disagree on Warwick at 12 being a 'no-brainer'.

I can certainly see good arguments for it, but would you not see it as a bit of a stop-gap solution?

I reckon McGahan has the chance to put in place a 21/22 year old in Deasy and potentially build a home-grown centre partnership that could serve Munster very well for 7-8 seasons, as well as put an end to Munster's pˇss-poor record of Irish-qualified talent in the 12 jersey.

Obviously it's quite a big match to make your in the 12 shirt, but it's McGahan's issue for not having tried him there earlier [while being happy to put him in on the left and the right wing, positions he'll never play to any sort of decent level] and f*ck it, you have to start a guy in a big match sometime.

Deasy plays with buckets of confidence and will have the extraordinarily experienced O'Gara and [most likely] Stringer inside him. Give him a shot!

i am munster-abu
12th-October-2010, 09:05
If Sam T is banned, earls at 12 , j murphy 13 warwick fb,
deasy to be given game time in the magners league.

Ruck
12th-October-2010, 09:10
If Sam T is banned, earls at 12 , j murphy 13 warwick fb,
deasy to be given game time in the magners league.

He already has gametime in the ML, and has proven he's more than capable at that level, albeit not at 12.

i am munster-abu
12th-October-2010, 09:16
"He already has gametime in the ML, and has proven he's
more than capable at that level, albeit not at 12."

ya i know that, i mean this season ruck.

i am munster-abu
12th-October-2010, 09:18
what's the story with barry murphy?

he is in the A team, thats the munster A team now people smileys/wink.gif

Hawkeye
12th-October-2010, 09:29
To the 33.33% who think Sam will be cleared what drugs are you all on?

dropkick
12th-October-2010, 09:30
Deasy for me. Its about time he got a chance at 12.

Tobyglen
12th-October-2010, 09:50
Warwick at 12 is a no-brainer.


Would agree that Barry Murphy should have been cut loose a long time ago. Would at least hope that he's on a pay for play type deal. Unfortunate but you cant have a guy just taking up squad space no matter how talented the guy is. Time for him to collect the insurance money me thinks..
You would have said the same about Wilko 18 months ago.

Talking Sense
12th-October-2010, 09:52
Earls for me, strong player and has played there before for
Ireland A. Deasy hasnt been played there before for us, too
big an ask for him I reckon. I would put Johne at 13 and
restore Warwick to FB.

JoeyFantastic
12th-October-2010, 10:13
Deasy is the obvious choice – at least
he is, for me.He's a footballer in that he can pass and kick
well, who has had good experience of playing both fullback
and outhalf. Having seen his most recent performance at
OH [for Munster A versus Leinster A], I'd have to say that I
don't think his future lies there ... he looks like a guy stuck
in to play out half, rather than an out half. Similarly, he's a
little short on out-and-out pace and height for a fullback –
again, just my opinion.With that said, he's got buckets and
buckets of confidence, invention, a good skillset and is a
solid defender. Felix Jones' injuries have meant that he
[Deasy] has spent more time at 15 than anywhere else for
Munster, but he has also played at 10, 11 and 14. I find it
absolutely baffling that he hasn't been afforded one start at
12, a position I feel is an obvious fit for him. Anyway,
Deasy. He should have been tried at 12 before, but now
that McGahan's hand is forced I firmly believe he should
put him in beside Earls and stick with him for all games for
the next month. Let them see how the partnership works
out.


Deasy played at 12 a good bit for Munster A, he was only
outhalf in the last games due to Cusack's injury this
season.

mtcmolloy
12th-October-2010, 10:19
I voted tom gleeson.. but on review, I'd like warwick. he has experience and I'm positive he'll be picked there. He's a kind of a jason holland/rua tipokiskilled 12, rather than bosh, but I'd have confidence in him defensively. I've been wondering forever why he hasn't been tried there.


Although I suspect earls will play 13, I'd rather him striking from fullback. (Is it that he's now considered a no-no at fullback? )


If deasy is as skilled as you say, I would like him at 13. but maybe this is too big a game to start him, so the management will put in earls there..
for me:
10: rog 12: warwick 13: deasy 15: earls/murphy

shep
12th-October-2010, 10:27
Barry is in A squad for Friday night in Waterford. Why not give deasy
some game time in same match at 12?

Hugonaut
12th-October-2010, 10:43
Deasy played at 12 a good bit for Munster A, he was only

outhalf in the last games due to Cusack's injury this

season.

How has he gone?

The whole idea of changing the whole backline to fix a suspension is nauseating, especially because it seems like it's motivated by fear ...
"Deasy hasn't played at this level, he mightn't be good enough!" </span>
<br style="font-style: italic;">"Johne Murphy will do a job for us any where from 11 backwards and we'll just keep on shuffling him around the backs to fill holes so that we never have to pick a player who hasn't made the breakthrough at another club!" </span>

People gave out absolute stink about Eddie O'Sullivan putting Shane Horgan in at centre when Drico was injured, and now you have the same people calling for a similar move.

Mafi is already suspended for his own stupid actions, Tuitupou likely to be suspended for something similar ... the guys that you have bought in aren't getting the job done. Why not give a shot to the home-grown youngster? The situation is already twisting your arm.

Ironmike
12th-October-2010, 10:49
I think it's time to give Deasy a shot, he's always stepped up
and played well in the past when he's been given the opportunity. He'd be the positive, pro active choice also, as
opposed to moving established players out of position to
create a makeshift backline to survive the game rather than
try and play it.

Slightly providential that Sammy got cited on his birthday
aswell.

bellmop
12th-October-2010, 11:06
Johne Murphy surely if Keith Earls is playing,id love to see the
2 of them in the centre, warwick at fullback exciting players
could be the right mix we have been waiting for.Ideal backline
for me injury permitting of corse
Warwick 15
howlett 14
Earls 13
Jmurphy 12
Barry Muphy 11
ROG 10
surely that would be interesting to see

Red October
12th-October-2010, 11:25
It matters not a continental jot. What matters is what always
matters. Who plays 1-8 & 9-10 and how they play as units.

Once that is taken into account, then centres, midfield & back
three begin to matter.

Not until then.

mtcmolloy
12th-October-2010, 13:02
Johne Murphy surely if Keith Earls is playing,id love to see the
2 of them in the centre, warwick at fullback exciting players
could be the right mix we have been waiting for.Ideal backline
for me injury permitting of corse
Warwick 15
howlett 14
Earls 13
Jmurphy 12
Barry Muphy 11
ROG 10
surely that would be interesting to see



re: earls and warwick..
i think earls pace is better use at fullback..
conversely, warwick's distribution superior, ergo play him at 12/13.
Warwick = playmaker
earls = strike runner

TheBlueMovie
12th-October-2010, 13:03
Warwick at 10 and Deasy at 12.

handslikefeet
12th-October-2010, 13:21
I actually can hardly believe anyone is suggesting anybody other than Deasy.


Every summer, people log on in their droves talking about "oh, I simply do hope we see more of *enter name here* this season", and talking about how we need to develop young talent and give some up-and-coming homegrown youngsters a chance. Well heresyour chance - first and second choice options gone, and a confident andconsistent Corkman ready to step up.


If Scotty isn't in, then he might as well stay home scratching his arse and studying Finance, cos if they don't pick him Saturday he's wasting his time...

mtcmolloy
12th-October-2010, 13:35
I confess I don't know a lot about deasy. but if what you're saying is true, then, yes, it would be great to herald the arrival of another great centre from cork.


I only have the dead site to go on for my info on him.
Incidentally the deadsite also says danny barnes is 5'4". true?
Also that denis hurley is over 15st. And he looks it, and I fancy he's lost some pace since his break through year. he's 26 this year, and my high hopes for him have faded a little. Could he do with shedding a stone and doing some speedwork?

TheBlueMovie
12th-October-2010, 13:38
Munster are re-signing Kieran Lewis to provide cover smileys/wink.gif

sewa
12th-October-2010, 13:56
If we had played Leamy at 12 against London Irish like I suggested we wouldn't be in this sorry mess.

sledger2003
12th-October-2010, 14:24
Depends on what you want from your 12
Dermot. Gleeson is very far behind Deasy in terms of skill.
McGahan's gameplan doesn't suit a bosh merchant at 12, and
Earls is wasted outside one too.

and whats Tuitupu.... look up "bosh merchant " in the
dictionary and you'll find a picture of him.

sledger2003
12th-October-2010, 14:26
If we had played Leamy at 12 against London
Irish like I suggested we wouldn't be in this sorry mess.


Sewa .. apart from the fact he has the hands of a ***REMOVED***..
smileys/lol.gif

Peacock
12th-October-2010, 14:29
If we had played Leamy at 12 against London
Irish like I suggested we wouldn't be in this sorry mess.


Sewa .. apart from the fact he has the hands of a ***REMOVED***.. ..
smileys/lol.gif


Wha?smileys/sad.gif

TheOne
12th-October-2010, 15:42
If Sam T is banned, not sure he will be, we are fairly goosed at 12.
For me Warwick is not great defensively and having a 10-12 of himself and rog could be weak enough.
Johne has played everywhere else in his 6 games for Munster and may well be given a shot at 12, should be fine for tackling and going forward, but seeing as he has never played 12 before (iirc) might be a slight risk.
Ronan and Leamy have both played 12, can both tackle anything going, and should be able to run straight at the Pony all day, neither the most creative, but both possible when we are struggling and have depth in the back row.
Moving Keef to 12 would be fine if we had someone else to play 13, we don't really except maybe Danny Barnes.

For my money if Sammy is out we should play Deasy, can tackle and is one of our most creative players.



Leamy to come back to 12 to protect Rog (He has played here before)


Quinny to 6


Murphy to 13 (Earls Injured)


Warwick at 15


Running oput of options in the backline !!!!!!!!!!!!

TheBlueMovie
12th-October-2010, 15:46
I've always wondered why Munster don't make a move for McFadden?

Also Kyle Tonetti could have been a great 12 prospect but instead hes gone to England.

bosh12
12th-October-2010, 16:05
Munster have moved for McF several times. But in this wonderfully
capitalistic society we live in, players have freedom to choose. That and
the fact Leinster gave him the max available contract for those outside
international contracts.


Stringer, ROG, Deasy, what part of defence would you attack?
Unfortuantely may have to start.

TheBlueMovie
12th-October-2010, 16:08
Munster have moved for McF several times. But in this wonderfully

capitalistic society we live in, players have freedom to choose. That and

the fact Leinster gave him the max available contract for those outside

international contracts.


But if Munster offered him the same except with a guarantee of more regular game time I reckon he would have taken it.





Stringer, ROG, Deasy, what part of defence would you attack?

Unfortuantely may have to start.

9.Williams 10.Warwick 12.Deasy

bosh12
12th-October-2010, 16:15
won't happen, and if it did, be a tough call to see who would throw more
toys out of pram

Charco
12th-October-2010, 17:11
If Sammy's banned,
it'd probably have to be Murphy. Not ideal.

I remember Deccie played Wallace at 12 once!!

The more I think about it, the more appealing
Leamy/Wallace sounds at 12.. No fear of them being
knocked back anyway.





I only have the dead site to go on for my info on him.
Incidentally the deadsite also says danny barnes is 5'4".
true?

Barnes is 6ft. Dunno why they haven't fixed that.

JoeyFantastic
12th-October-2010, 17:59
If
Sammy's banned,
it'd probably have to be Murphy. Not ideal.

I remember Deccie played Wallace at 12 once!!

The more I think about it, the more appealing
Leamy/Wallace sounds at 12.. No fear of them being
knocked back anyway.





I only have the dead site to go on for my info on him.
Incidentally the deadsite also says danny barnes is 5'4".
true?

Barnes is 6ft. Dunno why they haven't fixed that.

He's hardly 6ft unless he's grown in the last month or so.
He's not as short as 5'4" though.

The Lion King
12th-October-2010, 18:31
I would start deasy.The soonerwe blood these young players the better. He is a fine player with a lot of skill and creativity

murray82
12th-October-2010, 18:37
If it wasn't the HEC i'd throw Leamy in there for the s**ts and giggles...wouldn't be the first time he played there! Talented bunch them Tipp lads!! smileys/biggrin.gif

mahoney
12th-October-2010, 18:43
15 eARLS


14 DOUGIE


13 mURPHY


12 Warick


11 Hurley


Thats presuming Sammy gets a few weeks off If by some chance he dosnt


15 Warick


14 Dougie


13 Earls


12 Sammy


Murphy

sewa
12th-October-2010, 18:49
If we had played Leamy at 12 against London
Irish like I suggested we wouldn't be in this sorry mess.


Sewa .. apart from the fact he has the hands of a ***REMOVED***.. ..
smileys/lol.gif


smileys/wink.gif

isola ciarrai
12th-October-2010, 20:18
What we needed this season was another players late-ish
in his career, with a point to prove and a chip on his
shoulder for lack of national team recognition - Tipoki,
Halstead, Payne, Jim Williams. Not 'superstars' coming to
pad the retirement fund, and NO ISLANDERS. Let us learn
the lesson this season by cutting Mafi and Sammy - they
are red/yellow cards waiting to happen every time they go
out.
Under no circumstances should Barry Murphy be cut - one
of the greatest talents of the past 10 years - recall tries of
brain, agility, elusiveness, skill and class against Sale,
Cardiff, Montauban, All Blacks. He is only 28 and should be
given every chance to recover. Not exactly bash merchant
and killer tackler, but can do what few others can do -
score every time he plays.
The key, however, is change at the top and a coherent,
balanced management/coaching set up.
I'm banging the same drum again, but can we please ask
Eddie to come over from Colorado and spend a few weeks
with our backs on the technical and tactical aspects of their
play - he can improve any backline he gets, even
archhater Hook admits. Holland and McGahan do not have
a clue between them - as for the longhaired langer.....
By the way, is Borlase the new Diogo Mateus - spoken of
but never viewed? Let me guess - he came injured!

sewa
12th-October-2010, 20:21
Borlase hasnt arrived yet because she is still playing and playing very well inthe womens world 7's series.

dropkick
12th-October-2010, 20:26
"To the brave and the faithful"

I don't see much of that these days in Munster. People are
afraid of playing Deasy in case he makes a mistake. The
coaches are afraid of playing young players and they're afraid
to drop the undropables. It doesn't matter what positives they
might bring lets concentrate on the negatives and what they
MIGHT do wrong.

JoeyFantastic
12th-October-2010, 20:29
"To the brave and the faithful"

I don't see much of that these days in Munster. People are
afraid of playing Deasy in case he makes a mistake. The
coaches are afraid of playing young players and they're
afraid
to drop the undropables. It doesn't matter what positives
they
might bring lets concentrate on the negatives and what
they
MIGHT do wrong.



I agree, if we're going to lose we may as well do it bringing
in new players. It's getting to the point that we've too many
non-Munster players on the books and especially playing
week-in, week-out.

Deasy and Earls could be our centres for the next decade,
or Deasy mightn't be up to it, either way we're going to
have to find out.

McCloud
12th-October-2010, 20:37
Must admit I'm a bit confused by this wave of put Warwick to 12. What's that based on? Put Deasy in at 12 and Earls at 13.

Waterfordlad
12th-October-2010, 22:01
Makes sense McCloud

kahalui
12th-October-2010, 22:11
Who'd have thought we'd be looking at either deasy, murphy, warwick, leamy, wallace. ronan, barnes etc etc. at 12 this time last week

With all the current injuries to the squad, those dangerous/stupid tackles from mafi and ST could be very costly indeed. Looks like earls is doubtful as well.

Mebawsa Ritchie
13th-October-2010, 04:56
Looks like earls is doubtful as well.

Where did you read this? smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

Balla Boy
13th-October-2010, 05:58
What we needed this season was another players late-ish
in his career, with a point to prove and a chip on his
shoulder for lack of national team recognition - Tipoki,
Halstead, Payne, Jim Williams. Not 'superstars' coming to
pad the retirement fund, and NO ISLANDERS. Let us learn
the lesson this season by cutting Mafi and Sammy - they
are red/yellow cards waiting to happen every time they go
out.
Under no circumstances should Barry Murphy be cut - one
of the greatest talents of the past 10 years - recall tries of
brain, agility, elusiveness, skill and class against Sale,
Cardiff, Montauban, All Blacks. He is only 28 and should be
given every chance to recover. Not exactly bash merchant
and killer tackler, but can do what few others can do -
score every time he plays.
The key, however, is change at the top and a coherent,
balanced management/coaching set up.
I'm banging the same drum again, but can we please ask
Eddie to come over from Colorado and spend a few weeks
with our backs on the technical and tactical aspects of their
play - he can improve any backline he gets, even
archhater Hook admits. Holland and McGahan do not have
a clue between them - as for the longhaired langer.....
By the way, is Borlase the new Diogo Mateus - spoken of
but never viewed? Let me guess - he came injured!


So you'd like someone like Rua Tipoki (from te Puia Springs, NZ) but not someone like Sam Tuitupou (from Aukland, NZ) as the latter is "an islander".


And you want to know why the guy who's still playing in New Zealand and not due to arrive here until November hasn't played much already.


I'll get onto it.

mtcmolloy
13th-October-2010, 08:00
i actually think the islander point is well made.. Having two in the centre is too much . . Nor do I think earls has the head for centre.


Scott deasy is the man (i've decided). warwick beside him (playmaker, distributor, goal dropper, rugby brains.. either 12 or 13)

Balla Boy
13th-October-2010, 08:16
i actually think the islander point is well made.. Having two in the centre is too much . . Nor do I think earls has the head for centre.


Scott deasy is the man (i've decided). warwick beside him (playmaker, distributor, goal dropper, rugby brains.. either 12 or 13)





But did Tipoki have those problems? And has Mapusua had problems for Irish?


Nacewa at Leinster? Tito at Cardiff?


It's a very broad brush to be painting with.

Cowboy
13th-October-2010, 08:16
i actually think the islander point is
well made.. Having two in the centre is too much .* .* Nor do I
think earls has the head for centre.


Scott deasy is the man (i've decided). warwick beside him
(playmaker, distributor, goal dropper, rugby brains.. either 12
or 13)

Three players under 6 ft and 13 stone each. We wouldn't be
the biggest backline in the world. If we're under the kosh for
numbers I say we revert to type and go for the bludgeon
approach.

Dave Cahill
13th-October-2010, 08:17
Assuming that Tootypoopoo is banned, which is a big
assumption still I think, Murphy (J) and Earls

busbi
13th-October-2010, 08:38
What we needed this season was another players late-ish
in his career, with a point to prove and a chip on his
shoulder for lack of national team recognition - Tipoki,
Halstead, Payne, Jim Williams. Not 'superstars' coming to
pad the retirement fund, and NO ISLANDERS. Let us learn
the lesson this season by cutting Mafi and Sammy - they
are red/yellow cards waiting to happen every time they go
out.
Under no circumstances should Barry Murphy be cut - one
of the greatest talents of the past 10 years - recall tries of
brain, agility, elusiveness, skill and class against Sale,
Cardiff, Montauban, All Blacks. He is only 28 and should be
given every chance to recover. Not exactly bash merchant
and killer tackler, but can do what few others can do -
score every time he plays.
The key, however, is change at the top and a coherent,
balanced management/coaching set up.
I'm banging the same drum again, but can we please ask
Eddie to come over from Colorado and spend a few weeks
with our backs on the technical and tactical aspects of their
play - he can improve any backline he gets, even
archhater Hook admits. Holland and McGahan do not have
a clue between them - as for the longhaired langer.....
By the way, is Borlase the new Diogo Mateus - spoken of
but never viewed? Let me guess - he came injured!


What a load of gibberish.


Sammy T is a fine player, and farfrom the hyped upsuperstar type signing. They're was no airport reception for him or anyting of the sort. One bad tackle (that many other Irish players have made and got away with) and people are calling for us to cut him? Ridiculous. As for him being a mercenary compared to the likes of Tipoki - Tipoki was open about going abroad to make a few an extrasquid - and he didn't leave a family back in NZ like Sam did. Mark my words, he'll turn out to be a quality signing and will form a great partnership with Keith.


Perhaps you should start dealing with players on their individual merits instead of the basis of race. Marcus Horan is as big a yellow card machine as we have, and Jerry Flannery has done some horrific things in the last few seasons. Both have done more to be cut loose than Sammy T ever has.


Barry Murphy onethe greatest talents of the last 10 years???? Barry's a nice player and all but has done nothing to merit being spoken about in those terms. People would want to get real a bit in their expectations of him.

Cowboy
13th-October-2010, 08:51
What we needed this season was
another players late-ish
in his career, with a point to prove and a chip on his
shoulder for lack of national team recognition - Tipoki,
Halstead, Payne, Jim Williams. Not 'superstars' coming to
pad the retirement fund, and NO ISLANDERS. Let us learn
the lesson this season by cutting Mafi and Sammy - they
are red/yellow cards waiting to happen every time they go
out.
Under no circumstances should Barry Murphy be cut - one
of the greatest talents of the past 10 years - recall tries of
brain, agility, elusiveness, skill and class against Sale,
Cardiff, Montauban, All Blacks. He is only 28 and should be
given every chance to recover. Not exactly bash merchant
and killer tackler, but can do what few others can do -
score every time he plays.
The key, however, is change at the top and a coherent,
balanced management/coaching set up.
I'm banging the same drum again, but can we please ask
Eddie to come over from Colorado and spend a few weeks
with our backs on the technical and tactical aspects of
their
play - he can improve any backline he gets, even
archhater Hook admits. Holland and McGahan do not have
a clue between them - as for the longhaired langer.....
By the way, is Borlase the new Diogo Mateus - spoken of
but never viewed? Let me guess - he came
injured!

Theres 10 months between Sam and Barry in age. Guff post
throughout. Borlase hasn't arrived yet either.

rathbaner
13th-October-2010, 10:06
Seamus Dennison.

rathbaner
13th-October-2010, 10:16
Latest pics of yesterday's training session in Thomond Park on munsterrugby.ie shows Earls with heavy strapping on his thigh.

manofmunster
13th-October-2010, 10:16
What we needed this season was another players late-ish
in his career, with a point to prove and a chip on his
shoulder for lack of national team recognition - Tipoki,
Halstead, Payne, Jim Williams. Not 'superstars' coming to
pad the retirement fund, and NO ISLANDERS. Let us learn
the lesson this season by cutting Mafi and Sammy - they
are red/yellow cards waiting to happen every time they go
out.
Under no circumstances should Barry Murphy be cut - one
of the greatest talents of the past 10 years - recall tries of
brain, agility, elusiveness, skill and class against Sale,
Cardiff, Montauban, All Blacks. He is only 28 and should be
given every chance to recover. Not exactly bash merchant
and killer tackler, but can do what few others can do -
score every time he plays.
The key, however, is change at the top and a coherent,
balanced management/coaching set up.
I'm banging the same drum again, but can we please ask
Eddie to come over from Colorado and spend a few weeks
with our backs on the technical and tactical aspects of their
play - he can improve any backline he gets, even
archhater Hook admits. Holland and McGahan do not have
a clue between them - as for the longhaired langer.....
By the way, is Borlase the new Diogo Mateus - spoken of
but never viewed? Let me guess - he came injured!


WTF??? Absolute waffle.


Sammy's tackle was stupid and a bit careless - but it's a bit early to be labeling him a "yellow card waiting to happen"smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif


As for Murphy - he is certainly a talented player, but one of the best in the last tem years??smileys/c&#111;nfused.gifAre you nuts?? How many games has the lad started in that ten years? He's made of match-sticks ... he contributes nothing from the treatment table and, bearing in mind his age and injury profile to date - it's where he's likely to spend the rest of his "career"

sewa
13th-October-2010, 12:02
Murphy at 12 with Warwick at 13. We will regret rushing Earls back and not appealing Mafi's ban.

Mebawsa Ritchie
13th-October-2010, 12:12
Murphy at 12 with Warwick at 13. We will regret rushing Earls back and not appealing Mafi's ban.

Earls and Murphy J perhaps? We are woefully short on non half backs.

The only fit/cleared to play/in our HEC squad are:-

Douglas, Hurley (he had a poor game on Sat.) Warwick, Earls, Murphy J. Barnes, Deasy and Gleeson.

We are in right trouble I fear.

busbi
13th-October-2010, 12:58
I'd like to punt for Warwick at 12 and Earls at full back for this game as a once off. Warwick is the only front line player we have available that i'd be comfortable with at 12, even if he hasn't a load of experience there lately. I don't think Keith's hands are good enough to play there, in particular with the pressure he'll be under in that channel with a ROG/Stringer combination outside him. Ditto Murphy.


Only worry i'd have is the bench. I like Deasy, but the physical intensitystakes will be high this weekend.


The Autumn International break can't come quick enough for this team.

dropkick
13th-October-2010, 13:06
Only worry i'd have is the bench. I like Deasy, but the
physical intensity*stakes will be high this weekend.


The Autumn International break can't come quick enough
for this team.

According to their profiles Deasy is heavier than Warwick.

Call999
13th-October-2010, 13:10
We are in serious dudu now! I am only the slightest bit confident of us being able to win this match now!

Stringer ROG Earls JonE Warrick Dougie and Hurley looks like?

mtcmolloy
13th-October-2010, 13:29
Only worry i'd have is the bench. I like Deasy, but the
physical intensitystakes will be high this weekend.



The Autumn International break can't come quick enough
for this team.




According to their profiles Deasy is heavier than Warwick.


Deasy doesn't look small to me. check his try out on youtube v edinburgh or glagow? He looks like a good old fashioned 5.10' 14 stone centre to me. is there supposed to be some sort of question mark over his d-fenz?

fogerty
13th-October-2010, 13:30
We are in serious dudu now! I am only the slightest bit confident of us being able to win this match now!

Stringer ROG Earls</span> JonE Warrick Dougie and Hurley looks like?





He's a doubt according to people on here.

McCloud
13th-October-2010, 13:32
We are in serious dudu now! I am only the slightest bit confident of us being able to win this match now!

Stringer ROG Earls JonE Warrick Dougie and Hurley looks like?




He's a doubt according to people on here.



Not according to this article (http://limerickrugby.ie/news-1137/Shaun-Payne-welcomes-Jerry-Flannery-s-return)

dedon
13th-October-2010, 13:42
What have we seen for Deasy at 12? He has performed to a very average level at 15.

It seems just because you are a young Munster player that you are suddenly great.

I don't know where this talk of Deasy being European standard is coming from. He has so much to prove to be able to even play at Magners level.

Madness the talk on here.

Warwick for 12.

fogerty
13th-October-2010, 13:48
What have we seen for Deasy at 12? He has performed to a very average level at 15.

It seems just because you are a young Munster player that you are suddenly great.

I don't know where this talk of Deasy being European standard is coming from. He has so much to prove to be able to even play at Magners level.

Madness the talk on here.

Warwick for 12.



ROG 10 - Warwick 12 will be an autobahn for the Toulon backs.

overthehillprop
13th-October-2010, 14:43
What have we seen for Deasy at 12? He has performed to a very average level at 15.

It seems just because you are a young Munster player that you are suddenly great.

I don't know where this talk of Deasy being European standard is coming from. He has so much to prove to be able to even play at Magners level.

Madness the talk on here.

Warwick for 12.






Have you seen him play in any of the A games over the last two seasons or so?


Have you seen him play in the ML where goal kicking apart he has looked far from out of his depth?


Posters complain about young players not coming through and not being given chances and now when we have a raft of injuries, several suspensions and are severely lacking options the call is for the Willie Joe Padden option of shifting players like Warwickaround into positions he hasn't played for years (hewas 12 against Connachtaway last season but spent most of the game at 10 to mind Cusack).

happyman
13th-October-2010, 14:45
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.

overthehillprop
13th-October-2010, 14:49
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.





and who plays 12if Earls only lasts 60 mins or so?


madness I agree - imagine actually calling for ayoung lad who has served his time in the A team that has done really well, has done well in his outings in the ML's when given a chance (goal kicking aside) and who is a realistic option for us in the back line.


I presume the whole POM bandwagon will be derailed and follow suit with Axel called up to cover any injuries.

Balla Boy
13th-October-2010, 14:51
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.


Why is it madness? The guy is in the HEC squad, and he's a centre.


If he's not ready to start a match, should he not be on a development contract or trying his luck at Exeter or somewhere?

glorob
13th-October-2010, 14:51
Switch Howlett from 14 to 12?

Mebawsa Ritchie
13th-October-2010, 14:56
Switch Howlett from 14 to 12?

Will Galway beat Mayo? smileys/wink.gif

happyman
13th-October-2010, 14:57
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.


Why is it madness? The guy is in the HEC squad, and he's a centre.


If he's not ready to start a match, should he not be on a development contract or trying his luck at Exeter or somewhere?





I think the much safer option is Earls to 12 and Murphy to 13. Deasy can cover 12 if Earls doesnt last. It basically boils down to whether u would ratherhave warwick or deasy on the pitch. I can see ur points, Deasy is a fine centre, maybe a better centre than warwick but i would rather have 2 proven, more experiencedplayers (earls and murphy) in there with warwick fullback. If Deasy starts 12, ye still leaving warwick on the bench???

overthehillprop
13th-October-2010, 14:59
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.


Why is it madness? The guy is in the HEC squad, and he's a centre.


If he's not ready to start a match, should he not be on a development contract or trying his luck at Exeter or somewhere?





I think the much safer option is Earls to 12 and Murphy to 13. Deasy can cover 12 if Earls doesnt last. It basically boils down to whether u would ratherhave warwick or deasy on the pitch. I can see ur points, Deasy is a fine centre, maybe a better centre than warwick but i would rather have 2 proven, more experiencedplayers (earls and murphy) in there with warwick fullback. If Deasy starts 12, ye still leaving warwick on the bench???





I would play 15. Warwick 14. Dougie 13. Earls 12. Deasy 11. Murphy

Balla Boy
13th-October-2010, 15:02
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.


Why is it madness? The guy is in the HEC squad, and he's a centre.


If he's not ready to start a match, should he not be on a development contract or trying his luck at Exeter or somewhere?





I think the much safer option is Earls to 12 and Murphy to 13. Deasy can cover 12 if Earls doesnt last. It basically boils down to whether u would ratherhave warwick or deasy on the pitch. I can see ur points, Deasy is a fine centre, maybe a better centre than warwick but i would rather have 2 proven, more experiencedplayers (earls and murphy) in there with warwick fullback. If Deasy starts 12, ye still leaving warwick on the bench???





But Earls isn't a 12, and most of the good things about him - pace, creativity - will be lost at 12.


Warwick at full back


Howlett/Murphy on the wings


Earls 13


Deasy 12


All on the pitch, none being asked to play out of position.

handslikefeet
13th-October-2010, 15:02
I would play 15. Warwick 14. Dougie 13. Earls 12. Deasy 11. Murphy





Snap

happyman
13th-October-2010, 15:05
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.


Why is it madness? The guy is in the HEC squad, and he's a centre.


If he's not ready to start a match, should he not be on a development contract or trying his luck at Exeter or somewhere?





I think the much safer option is Earls to 12 and Murphy to 13. Deasy can cover 12 if Earls doesnt last. It basically boils down to whether u would ratherhave warwick or deasy on the pitch. I can see ur points, Deasy is a fine centre, maybe a better centre than warwick but i would rather have 2 proven, more experiencedplayers (earls and murphy) in there with warwick fullback. If Deasy starts 12, ye still leaving warwick on the bench???





But Earls isn't a 12, and most of the good things about him - pace, creativity - will be lost at 12.


Warwick at full back


Howlett/Murphy on the wings


Earls 13


Deasy 12


All on the pitch, none being asked to play out of position.








I can remember Earls playing 12 in the Churchill cup couple of years ago and looking very much at home there.

dropkick
13th-October-2010, 16:16
Only worry i'd have is the bench. I like Deasy, but the
physical intensitystakes will be high this weekend.



The Autumn International break can't come quick enough
for this team.




According to their profiles Deasy is heavier than Warwick.


Deasy doesn't look small to me. check his try out on youtube v edinburgh or glagow? He looks like a good old fashioned 5.10' 14 stone centre to me. is there supposed to be some sort of question mark over his d-fenz?





I'd say some people are afraid he might make some mistakes.


I remember that try alright. For anyone who didn't see it here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOriinqvk3o

sparky626
13th-October-2010, 16:58
Only logical move is Earls to 12, Johne 13, warwick 15......Madness alright talking about starting Deasy 12.


Why is it madness? The guy is in the HEC squad, and he's a centre.


If he's not ready to start a match, should he not be on a development contract or trying his luck at Exeter or somewhere?





I think the much safer option is Earls to 12 and Murphy to 13. Deasy can cover 12 if Earls doesnt last. It basically boils down to whether u would ratherhave warwick or deasy on the pitch. I can see ur points, Deasy is a fine centre, maybe a better centre than warwick but i would rather have 2 proven, more experiencedplayers (earls and murphy) in there with warwick fullback. If Deasy starts 12, ye still leaving warwick on the bench???





<S&#079;NG>But Earls isn't a 12</S&#079;NG>, and most of the good things about him - pace, creativity - will be lost at 12.


Warwick at full back


Howlett/Murphy on the wings


Earls 13


Deasy 12


All on the pitch, none being asked to play out of position.








I can remember Earls playing 12 in the Churchill cup couple of years ago and looking very much at home there.








Deasy is much less of a twelve than Earls, who's awhole lot stronger and a top defender. If you were to start them both I'd have them the other way round.

13th-October-2010, 17:33
Deasy looks similar size to likes of Mafi and Earls - around
5'11 and 14stone - I wouldn't complain. As people have said,
he's done the time preparing. He would have taken longer
without the injuries but this is what happens and you have to
rely that the fringe players and developers are the right level.
We can't just keep going oh he's a young lad let's just go and
buy some old guy for a few months instead attitude.

trixie
13th-October-2010, 17:56
Deasy is a good option at centre, strong in the tackle, good ball carrier,not the
fastest feet around, buthis acceleration ispretty good, and he always seems to be able to pick lines of running that takes him between the opposition's defence..... sounds good to me under the circumstances.

The Red Corner
13th-October-2010, 18:06
We are not playing chess here trixie!

13th-October-2010, 18:13
We are not playing chess here
trixie!


And these lads aren't being trained to play chess or picked on
chess playing ability. The lad is a pro rugby player who has
shown a level of ability that means Munster is viewing him as
part of the 1st team squad. If he's not good enough for an
occasion like this he shouldn't be near the squad in the first
place. People are too quick to write off new lads and fringe
players on here at the moment without bothering with the
formalities of seeing what they can do.

mahoney
13th-October-2010, 18:19
Look were in dire straits here both to cover 12 and who to have on the bench as cover.Rember a few years back when we bought skinny and Barry Murpky in and look how that turnrd out.So why not throw Deasy in there Touloun will not know anything about him and it could turn out to be a master stroke and he will want to prove he is good enough to play at this level

The Red Corner
13th-October-2010, 18:20
Lets all assume a victory on Saturday then shall we. The economists have done enough damage.

13th-October-2010, 18:36
I'm assuming nothing based on our poor form of last 2 years -
but I'm also not going to assume that a relatively young lad
will cost us the game because of his youth when I've watched
the experienced guys cost us games for those past 2 years.

rofey72
13th-October-2010, 19:24
9 Strings


10 Rog


11Hurley


12 Dougie


13 Earls


14 Murphy


15 Warwick


Could swap the 12 wingers .....Deasy utility back for all positions ...would rather him there than Hurley .

MunsterMagic007
13th-October-2010, 19:33
9 Strings


10 Rog


11Hurley


12 Dougie


13 Earls


14 Murphy


15 Warwick


Could swap the 12 wingers .....Deasy utility back for all positions ...would rather him there than Hurley .





+1


Had'nt thought about dougie there, surely a viable option to fill the postion short term. However cant seeMcgahan making that call.

busbi
13th-October-2010, 19:42
Where are all the team sheet leaks this week?

Balla Boy
13th-October-2010, 19:55
Howlett at 12? If that was in any way a good idea, would someone
not have thought of it at some point in his extensive playing career?

MunsterMagic007
13th-October-2010, 20:04
Howlett at 12? If that was in any way a good idea, would someone
not have thought of it at some point in his extensive playing career?




Why not a good idea?

Tipplad
13th-October-2010, 20:05
Heard a from a reliable source that earls is touch and go to make the game with his injury and that warwick is sick. If both are out Niall Ronan will start in the centre and we will play a forward orientated game.

Balla Boy
13th-October-2010, 20:16
Howlett at 12? If
that was in any way a good idea, would someone not have thought of
it at some point in his extensive playing career?


Why not a good idea?

He's a winger. One of the best ever (though you'd not know it
watching us starve him of ball).

In his position, he could be the only proven, world class performer in
the three quarters on Saturday.

Why would you move him into heavy traffic and have him bashing it
into contact all day?

We know nothing about his distribution, nothing about his ability to
get the ball through his hands with enough speed for the 12 shirt.

And yet we'd take a proven operator - and one of the few backs that
Toulon would look to with fear - and throw him into a role where he's
not just unproven, but where no coach who's ever worked with him
thought he'd be worth a run.

McCloud
13th-October-2010, 20:25
Howlett at 12? If
that was in any way a good idea, would someone not have thought of
it at some point in his extensive playing career?



Why not a good idea?




He's a winger. One of the best ever (though you'd not know it
watching us starve him of ball).

In his position, he could be the only proven, world class performer in
the three quarters on Saturday.

Why would you move him into heavy traffic and have him bashing it
into contact all day?

We know nothing about his distribution, nothing about his ability to
get the ball through his hands with enough speed for the 12 shirt.

And yet we'd take a proven operator - and one of the few backs that
Toulon would look to with fear - and throw him into a role where he's
not just unproven, but where no coach who's ever worked with him
thought he'd be worth a run.


Suggestions that Howlett moves into the 12 jersey reminds me of when Cullen was playing for ussmileys/sad.gif

thomond2006
13th-October-2010, 20:29
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?

Mebawsa Ritchie
13th-October-2010, 20:56
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?

I don't think so.

p.s. The only people not mentioned so far for 12 or 13 are ROG, Williams, or Strings.

McCloud
13th-October-2010, 21:06
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?


No. AB's tried it and decided it was not a good move. Maybe why they stuck Howlett on the wing as well. Somethng along the lines of identifying aplayers best position and putting him there. Giving him the ball every now and again would help mind....

MunsterMagic007
13th-October-2010, 21:36
Howlett at 12? If
that was in any way a good idea, would someone not have thought of
it at some point in his extensive playing career?



Why not a good idea?




He's a winger. One of the best ever (though you'd not know it
watching us starve him of ball).

In his position, he could be the only proven, world class performer in
the three quarters on Saturday.

Why would you move him into heavy traffic and have him bashing it
into contact all day?

We know nothing about his distribution, nothing about his ability to
get the ball through his hands with enough speed for the 12 shirt.

And yet we'd take a proven operator - and one of the few backs that
Toulon would look to with fear - and throw him into a role where he's
not just unproven, but where no coach who's ever worked with him
thought he'd be worth a run.


Suggestions that Howlett moves into the 12 jersey reminds me of when Cullen was playing for ussmileys/sad.gif





well considering rog starts at 10 there still needs to be defensive coverin the midfieldjust not wallace at 7. therefore i dont think warwick at 12 in this situation is ideal...has deasy even started a magners league game at 12 let alone HC?....Thats the only reason i would consider having dougie at 12 for his defence.

sledger2003
13th-October-2010, 22:27
Heard a from a reliable source that earls is touch and go to make the game with his injury and that warwick is sick. If both are out Niall Ronan will start in the centre and we will play a forward orientated game.



Well seeing as silly season has kicked off.... I heard today that it would be Earls and Barry Murphy in the centre... from a friend who is a friend of a player... ya ya ... i know...

as far as Im concerned .. it will be Jonny Murphy and Earls there... Hurley and Dougie on the wings.. and Warwick at FB ... Dougie at 12 is rediculous. You have to play the best available in their best positions as much as possible.

Waterfordlad
13th-October-2010, 23:10
Johne and Keef at centre

123UCG
13th-October-2010, 23:39
I think the most important thing is thank f**k Sonny Bill doesn't play for them any more

scotscor
14th-October-2010, 01:24
The more I think about this the more I am convinced its down to either Johne or Niall Ronan.
They are the only two who are good enough defensively *not just for the position but to provide additional cover for those around them and able to supply reasonable ball going forward.
Also including earls and warwick we have only 10 backs in the squad including danny barnes who is due to lineout on Friday night. Its going to be a 6-2 split or starting with a back row in the backs, or both.
Ronan at 12.

scotscor
14th-October-2010, 01:33
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?

I don't think so.

p.s. The only people not mentioned so far for 12 or 13 are ROG, Williams, or Strings.

Course he did in 2006, didnt finish the game. It was in the game that we played three 13's Cullen went off injured. It was in the season that we played 13 13's

scotscor
14th-October-2010, 01:33
Heard a from a reliable source that earls is touch and go to make the game with his injury and that warwick is sick. If both are out Niall Ronan will start in the centre and we will play a forward orientated game.

this sounds very believable to me.

thomond2006
14th-October-2010, 04:31
Any team rumours?


Ronan at centreI just can't fathom. smileys/sad.gif

Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 04:34
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?

I don't think so.

p.s. The only people not mentioned so far for 12 or 13 are ROG, Williams, or Strings.

Course he did in 2006, didnt finish the game. It was in the game that we played three 13's Cullen went off injured. It was in the season that we played 13 13's


I'd like to verify that please - who were the opposition?

Iirc the three 13's game was against Leinster in the semi final - Kelly, Hendo, and TOL.

youngmunster
14th-October-2010, 04:36
Switch Howlett from 14 to 12?

Will Galway beat Mayo? smileys/wink.gif
not if they have micky joe!

sparks
14th-October-2010, 04:39
I think Ronan might have played one or two games for the black and blue in the center!

Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 04:48
Switch Howlett from 14 to 12?

Will Galway beat Mayo? smileys/wink.gif
not if they have micky joe!

Close but no cigar smileys/biggrin.gif

ciaranb
14th-October-2010, 05:09
Switch Howlett from 14 to 12?

Will Galway beat Mayo? smileys/wink.gif
not if they have micky joe!

Close but no cigar smileys/biggrin.gif



Willie Joe perhaps you mean?...smileys/wink.gif


http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/ciaranb/Z73_WJP.jpg


More of a Number 8 than a 12 I would have thought though!!

Drick
14th-October-2010, 05:20
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?

I don't think so.

p.s. The only people not mentioned so far for 12 or 13 are ROG, Williams, or Strings.

Course he did in 2006, didnt finish the game. It was in the game that we played three 13's Cullen went off injured. It was in the season that we played 13 13's


I'd like to verify that please - who were the opposition?

Iirc the three 13's game was against Leinster in the semi final - Kelly, Hendo, and TOL.



christian cullen played at 13 on the 5thmay 2006 away to the ospreys


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Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 05:58
Off topic but did Cullen play centre for Munster?
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I don't think so.

p.s. The only people not mentioned so far for 12 or 13 are ROG, Williams, or Strings.

Course he did in 2006, didnt finish the game. It was in the game that we played three 13's Cullen went off injured. It was in the season that we played 13 13's


I'd like to verify that please - who were the opposition?

Iirc the three 13's game was against Leinster in the semi final - Kelly, Hendo, and TOL.



christian cullen played at 13 on the 5thmay 2006 away to the ospreys


http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/2648.php?section=li (http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/2648.php?secti&#111;n=lineups&amp;fixid=5938) neups&amp;fixid=5938

Hells bells. Fair enough then.

scotscor
14th-October-2010, 08:03
The post after the game here was along the lines of what brainbox thought that putting our most injury prone player into our most cursed position was ever a good idea.

Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 08:18
I'm hearing this morning (good source) that Deasy is injured! smileys/shock.gif

sewa
14th-October-2010, 08:21
A Ronan, Leamy midfield looms smileys/wink.gif

duffer09
14th-October-2010, 08:23
Should we start a thread of mf's availble to play centre on Sat?

duffer09
14th-October-2010, 08:24
or we could do a collection to see if JDV would come back for a game!!

McCloud
14th-October-2010, 08:25
Should we start a thread of mf's availble to play centre on Sat?


Just got a missed call on the mobilesmileys/shock.gif


Now where did I leave my boots.

Balla Boy
14th-October-2010, 08:28
A Ronan, Leamy midfield looms smileys/wink.gif


Maul the thing all day. We'll ate em without salt. smileys/lol.gif

Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 08:30
The strange thing is these enforced changes may leave us with no option but to play a very limited forwards orientated game.

Maybe a blesssing in disguise? Eh Point? smileys/wink.gif

Hugonaut
14th-October-2010, 08:32
I'm hearing this morning (good source) that Deasy is injured! smileys/shock.gif


You're shˇtting me? How do they train Irish centres in Munster, kumite?

Clonlad
14th-October-2010, 08:37
Earls and johne Murphy 12, 13 combo special. Only option available.
Murphy can move to 12 when dedending and interchange when
attacking.
Backline so
9. Strings
10. Rog
11. Hurley
12. Murphy.
13. Earls.
14. Dougie and
15. Warwick

Not that bad fingers crossed for no more injuries before or during
match.

Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 08:37
I'm hearing this morning (good source) that Deasy is injured! smileys/shock.gif


You're shˇtting me? How do they train Irish centres in Munster, kumite?


On the level.

p.s. The same guy told me Warwick was ill.

Rockey
14th-October-2010, 08:49
As far as I know, Barnes wont be involved at all, not even bench, so the injuries may not be that bad.

fogerty
14th-October-2010, 08:49
The strange thing is these enforced changes may leave us with no option but to play a very limited forwards orientated game.

Maybe a blesssing in disguise? Eh Point? smileys/wink.gif



Goes without saying, but you just know McGahan will still want the ball given to the backs as much as possible.

Mebawsa Ritchie
14th-October-2010, 08:54
As far as I know, Barnes wont be involved at all, not even bench, so the injuries may not be that bad.

I hope you're right.

duffer09
14th-October-2010, 10:46
could you not put Wally at 12... didnt DK use him there a few times?

Upfront_1979
14th-October-2010, 10:51
start hayes and put buckley in at 12. He could be the new trevor halstead.

busbi
14th-October-2010, 10:53
I'm hearing this morning (good source) that Deasy is injured! smileys/shock.gif


It's actuallystarting to become comical at this stage.

Talking Sense
14th-October-2010, 11:00
Anyone notice how Barry Murphy is not named in the A team?
Is this significant I wonder?

http://munsterrugby.ie/news/8097.php

14th-October-2010, 11:05
I'm hearing this morning (good source) that Deasy is injured! smileys/shock.gif


You're shˇtting me? How do they train Irish centres in Munster, kumite?


On the level.

p.s. The same guy told me Warwick was ill.

Groansmileys/c&#111;nfused.gif.
I can't wait to see the team. I think at this stage it will be a shock to all.

Tipplad
14th-October-2010, 11:09
My source says that if warwick hasn't recovered from his illness in time Ronan will start at first centre.

McCloud
14th-October-2010, 11:14
That is what I was thinking as a possible option.

Red October
14th-October-2010, 11:30
At this stage I hope whomever it is brings his Alsation with
him.

And he should stop feeding the animal around about now and
start smacking it repeatedly about the muzzle with a garlic
soaked Toulon jersey.

Fraggle
14th-October-2010, 11:32
Saw Felix getting a train in Hueston yesterday. His leg had a
serious contraption on it around the knee and he was hobbling
badly. Poor lad, hope he gets well soon.

Hugged Rugger
14th-October-2010, 13:16
Saw Felix getting a train in Hueston yesterday. His leg had a

serious contraption on it around the knee and he was hobbling

badly. Poor lad, hope he gets well soon.


you offered to carry his luggage i hope

Thorns
14th-October-2010, 13:19
Interested in other people opinions of tol at 12?


I know his injured at the monment but would like to hear other opinions

Fraggle
14th-October-2010, 13:26
Interested in other people opinions of tol
at 12?


I know his injured at the monment but would like to hear
other opinions

Well, I'll be bringing the boots too, put it that way.

djfitz08
14th-October-2010, 13:27
Interested in other people opinions of tol at 12?


I know his injured at the monment but would like to hear other opinions








Thinkin it could be an option, hes good defensively, has palyed at 10 before and can also make a break. Mite stop him from Box kicking aswell!

darren_ob
14th-October-2010, 14:20
Theres a real possibility of Munster not having Deasy, Earls, Warwick and Barnes!! Thats what I got from my source anyway! That and theres more to TOLs injury and Quinnies disappearence than meets the eye!

munstershane
14th-October-2010, 14:58
My wife has just offered to tog out.smileys/shock.gif

duffer09
14th-October-2010, 15:07
Theres a real possibility of Munster not having Deasy, Earls, Warwick and Barnes!! Thats what I got from my source anyway! That and theres more to TOLs injury and <S&#079;NG>Quinnies disappearence than meets the eye!</S&#079;NG>


that will get the mill going....


when will we get the team? i thought we got it a lot earlier last week. is this due to all the injuries?

darren_ob
14th-October-2010, 15:26
Theres a real possibility of Munster not having Deasy, Earls, Warwick and Barnes!! Thats what I got from my source anyway! That and theres more to TOLs injury and <s&#079;ng>Quinnies disappearence than meets the eye!</s&#079;ng>


that will get the mill going....


when will we get the team? i thought we got it a lot earlier last week. is this due to all the injuries?

Team will be announced tomorrow at noon but dont take the named 23 as definates, Saturday at 3.30 is when well really know who the 15 are!

14th-October-2010, 15:53
Are we not heading into the realms of not being able to name
a full squad form submitted ERC squad? In which case there
might be grounds for delaying the game. Not sure but I think
it's not just a question of you have to field 15 props and locks
if that's all you've got

eyeforagap
14th-October-2010, 16:39
Theres a real possibility of Munster not having Deasy, Earls, Warwick and Barnes!! Thats what I got from my source anyway! That and theres more to TOLs injury and <S&#079;NG>Quinnies disappearence than meets the eye!</S&#079;NG>


that will get the mill going....


when will we get the team? i thought we got it a lot earlier last week. is this due to all the injuries?





Who are these sources?smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif


Can I be a source and make up some ridiculous rumours to spread?? On the above rumours I would think that the management team are very weak if they are dropping players based on personal differences or whatever "theres more to" means....

busbi
14th-October-2010, 17:15
Are we not heading into the realms of not being
able to name
a full squad form submitted ERC squad? In which case there
might be grounds for delaying the game. Not sure but I think
it's not just a question of you have to field 15 props and locks
if that's all you've got

I doubt it would be grounds for delaying games, probably grounds for
being allowed add emergency cover to the squad that was not initially
included.

14th-October-2010, 18:06
Are we not heading
into the realms of not being
able to name
a full squad form submitted ERC squad? In which case
there
might be grounds for delaying the game. Not sure but I
think
it's not just a question of you have to field 15 props and
locks
if that's all you've got

I doubt it would be grounds for delaying games, probably
grounds for
being allowed add emergency cover to the squad that was
not initially
included.

But we'd have to have the cover to add and I can't see
where we're going to get it - and there's a safety element
that means you can't just throw any guy who's drifting
around in.

dropkick
14th-October-2010, 18:26
With all the injuries this season and last season you'd wonder
are they training too hard or something like that.

sewa
14th-October-2010, 18:36
Evil Omer you are clutching. We will have a team to field and if not my experience of junior and underage rugbyhas taught me thatyou can borrow a guy from the other team when necessary provided they have a surplus

Combatlogo
14th-October-2010, 18:38
Evil Omer you are clutching. We will have a team to field and if not my experience of junior and underage rugbyhas taught me thatyou can borrow a guy from the other team when necessary provided they have a surplus


smileys/lol.gif

bazzyg
14th-October-2010, 18:48
smileys/lol.gif


you've been saving that one up for while I'd say Sewa.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 06:00
With all the injuries this season and last season you'd wonder

are they training too hard or something like that.

I'd be having a serious look at the conditioning coach. Not normal to have so many injuries. Pretty sure the exact same thing happened last year as well.

Maybe a combination of an aging team and poor conditioning coach.

Or lack of rotation up to recently?

red exile
15th-October-2010, 10:40
Evil Omer you are clutching. We will have a team to field and if not my experience of junior and underage rugbyhas taught me thatyou can borrow a guy from the other team when necessary provided they have a surplus


Should I bring my kit tomorrow? I'm not very good but I have been moved to inside centre for my club this season.

Ruginator
15th-October-2010, 10:43
Theres a real possibility of Munster not having Deasy, Earls, Warwick and Barnes!! Thats what I got from my source anyway! That and theres more to TOLs injury and Quinnies disappearence than meets the eye!


Typical of the rubbish thats spouted on this forum at times, Quinny back, Warwick and Earlsy in, and Deasy on the bench, stop with the rumour and hear say no need for it.

i am munster-abu
15th-October-2010, 11:06
If Sam T is banned, earls at 12 ,
j murphy 13 warwick fb,
deasy to be given game time in the magners league.


TOLD YE , MURPHY AND EARLS IN THE CENTRE. smileys/wink.gif

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 12:09
If Sam T is banned, earls at 12 ,
j murphy 13 warwick fb,
deasy to be given game time in the magners league.


TOLD YE , MURPHY AND EARLS IN THE CENTRE. smileys/wink.gif


Well done, of a possible2 other players to partner Earls you picked the right one. There is a prize en route.


I do agree that Earls 12 and Murphy 13 would have been better though. I seem to recall Earls playing 12 in the Churchill and did very well.

soccer rules
15th-October-2010, 12:23
If Sam T is banned, earls at 12 ,
j murphy 13 warwick fb,
deasy to be given game time in the magners league.


TOLD YE , MURPHY AND EARLS IN THE CENTRE. smileys/wink.gif


Well done, of a possible2 other players to partner Earls you picked the right one. There is a prize en route.


I do agree that Earls 12 and Murphy 13 would have been better though. I seem to recall Earls playing 12 in the Churchill and did very well.





i suspect that they will switch positions throughout the match a fair few times, as mafi and earls did last season

soccer rules
15th-October-2010, 12:27
With all the injuries this season and last season you'd wonder
are they training too hard or something like that.

I'd be having a serious look at the conditioning coach. Not normal to have so many injuries. Pretty sure the exact same thing happened last year as well.

Maybe a combination of an aging team and poor conditioning coach.

Or lack of rotation up to recently?



tbf there aren't that many injuries that conditioning would have prevented. POC because of an injection. jones badly twisted his leg, sadly flan and murphy are injury prone. i think you also have to take into account that two of our centres are suspended, if they weren't then we would have a very close to full strenght squad.

15th-October-2010, 15:02
Evil Omer you are clutching. We will have a
team to field and if not my experience of junior and underage
rugby*has taught me that*you can borrow a guy from the
other team when necessary provided they have a
surplus*

I was hoping borrowing a player and grabbing someone from
the pub (as I've done before) didn't really apply at this level
smileys/biggrin.gif

isola ciarrai
15th-October-2010, 15:18
TOL played in the centre as a young fella, against a hardy
Perpignan side, in 1/4 final in Lansdowne Road, and played
there a few times that year in lesser games. Now that's what i
call being short of players! He did fine, and while he is having
a rough time at 9 now, he could very be acting out orders and
attempting to keep tacklers away from ROG. He s a cracking
footballer and has balls to burn. He kept us in the Heineken
Cup in Thomond vs Clermont when he buried Baby. There is a
lot more to get from TOL - patience, patience. Expect us to
clean their clocks tomorrow, with a bonus point win PROVIDED
set pieces are solid, esp lineout.

TheBlueMovie
15th-October-2010, 15:26
TOL played in the centre as a young fella, against a hardy
Perpignan side, in 1/4 final in Lansdowne Road, and played
there a few times that year in lesser games. Now that's what i
call being short of players! He did fine, and while he is having
a rough time at 9 now, he could very be acting out orders and
attempting to keep tacklers away from ROG. He s a cracking
footballer <S&#079;NG>and has balls to burn</S&#079;NG>. He kept us in the Heineken
Cup in Thomond vs Clermont when he buried Baby. There is a
lot more to get from TOL - patience, patience. Expect us to
clean their clocks tomorrow, with a bonus point win PROVIDED
set pieces are solid, esp lineout.


what?

sewa
15th-October-2010, 15:32
Surely you are aware of balls Bluey