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tickettout
2nd-October-2010, 19:11
Is it time to start fast tracking this kid?

no-payne-no-gain
2nd-October-2010, 19:14
yes

beanflick
2nd-October-2010, 19:17
No wait till next season, garryowen will go down this season without him.

Thomond78
2nd-October-2010, 19:31
No wait till next season, garryowen will
go down this season without him.


And this is a bad thing how, exactly...?

busbi
2nd-October-2010, 19:45
Probably but it's not going to happen when 3 fully contracted SH's are
ahead of him.

He doesn't seem to have many fans here, but i truly believe than
Duncan Williams could be an ideal alternative to the either or Tomás or
Stringer.

Tobyglen
2nd-October-2010, 19:46
Yes, time to give him, Deasy, POM, TOD, Nagle more game time.

Tobyglen
2nd-October-2010, 19:47
Probably but it's not going to happen when 3 fully contracted SH's are

ahead of him.



He doesn't seem to have many fans here, but i truly believe than

Duncan Williams could be an ideal alternative to the either or Tomás or

Stringer.
Anytime I have seen him play he has been average to poor. Murray seems a much better player.

beanflick
2nd-October-2010, 19:49
Probably but it's not going to happen when 3 fully contracted SH's are

ahead of him.



He doesn't seem to have many fans here, but i truly believe than

Duncan Williams could be an ideal alternative to the either or Tomás or

Stringer.
Anytime I have seen him play he has been average to poor. Murray seems a much better player.

+1 Williams seems to be an overhyped sicknote

lactose intolerant
2nd-October-2010, 22:53
yes, murray has always impressed when i've seen him!

seems to have a bit of a hop before passing from the back of a ruck though

Cadroc
3rd-October-2010, 01:53
yes, murray has always impressed when i've seen him!

seems to have a bit of a hop before passing from the back of a ruck though



Whatever hop there is, the sheer speed of the ball through the air seems to make up for it!

cookieligind
3rd-October-2010, 08:03
A few years with munsters he looked a good prospect, have not seen much of him since he moved to garryowen, the sooner we find out what he has the better.


We need a new scrum half asap.

busbi
3rd-October-2010, 08:30
Probably but it's not going to happen when 3 fully
contracted SH's are
ahead of him.

He doesn't seem to have many fans here, but i truly believe than
Duncan Williams could be an ideal alternative to the either or Tomás
or
Stringer.Anytime I have seen him play he has been
average to poor. Murray seems a much better player.

He can pass and kick better than TOL, and he is more robust than
Stringer. In a perfect world i'd love to see Murray fast tracked but it's
not in reality going to happen. Williams at least deserves a punt to
see if he'll do better than the our current SH.

Will there be Magners games through the AIs this year? If so it's
likely that TOL will be taken off our hands and we can experiment a
bit off the bench at least.

i am munster-abu
3rd-October-2010, 09:05
YES!!!!!!!!!!! about time , i want to see him get some game
time, but i think he may need to leave for a season to get so
1st team rugby. i think he (murray) is a lot better that
williams, but w is 3 years older and they probably want to c
can he make it at test level?? before they give murray a go...

Munster72
3rd-October-2010, 10:28
There is also another one, Paul Rowley seems to be good
player

i am munster-abu
3rd-October-2010, 10:36
There is also another one, Paul Rowley seems to be good
player

dont know him, do u know much about him??

Munster72
3rd-October-2010, 11:01
Ya i think hes in his final year of the academy, was the bihs
scrum half but moved to shannon to try to improve his
chances. Has a good quick pass and is good to make breaks
around rucks. Was the SH for munchins year they won the
senior cup (keith earls team). Was out with a hip injury for a
while so id say thats when murray came to the fore and much
wasnt heard of him

Munster72
3rd-October-2010, 11:02
Ul Bohs sorry

lactose intolerant
3rd-October-2010, 17:56
yes, murray has always impressed when i've seen him!

seems to have a bit of a hop before passing from the back of a ruck though



Whatever hop there is, the sheer speed of the ball through the air seems to make up for it!


agree fully!! like a speeding bullet

busbi
9th-October-2010, 16:46
I thought Williams did brilliantly when he came on today. Pass was
snappy and made a nice break towards the end to help set up Wally's
run.

The Lion King
9th-October-2010, 16:51
I thought Williams did brilliantly when he came on today. Pass was
snappy and made a nice break towards the end to help set up Wally's
run.


totally agree. Really quickened up the play

overthehillprop
9th-October-2010, 17:02
I thought Williams did brilliantly when he came on today. Pass was
snappy and made a nice break towards the end to help set up Wally's
run.


totally agree. Really quickened up the play

took the ball from the base of the ruck and kept the LI backrow interested before releasing which created space for the backs which wasn't there with Strings slinging the ball out. Made a lovely break with the quick tap and really needs to be pushing for a starting place next week.

Downsouthdukin
9th-October-2010, 17:03
yip. shows why Strings really shouldn't be playing. Williams
offers a good pass and is a threat around the ruck. Good
10minute cameo from him today. Starting next week?

busbi
9th-October-2010, 17:10
In fairness, Strings delivery was a breath of fresh air tonight. However
i've often said that Williams could be great alternative to the either or
options of passing (Stringer) and athleticism (TOL) and i think he proved
that tonight.

refugee
9th-October-2010, 17:12
to be fair I thought Williams did well when introduced. he created a bit of impetus when needed, and put Irish on the back foot with his break

de berries
9th-October-2010, 17:23
to be fair I thought Williams did well when introduced. he created a bit of impetus when needed, and put Irish on the back foot with his break


Spot on, hope Duncan can get a few years Injury free so that he can kick on as heis a great passer

JAGaway
9th-October-2010, 17:30
With LI on the ropes, the impetus he added was, I think, decisive. Starting with him next week is, I think, too much of a risk, if he doesn't do well, taking him off early would be a hefty blow.

overthehillprop
9th-October-2010, 17:37
With LI on the ropes, the impetus he added was, I think, decisive. Starting with him next week is, I think, too much of a risk, if he doesn't do well, taking him off early would be a hefty blow.

while that is the risk you also have to take into account that if Toulon bring over their first choice pack and they get parity or better our backs will look and play even worse than tonight. We had nearly 70% of the ball in the second half and couldn't do anything with it - unless we change things we're not going to get out of the pool. Its also that attitude that has help to stop younger players get a chance.

JAGaway
9th-October-2010, 17:46
Don't get me wrong, I think he looked great and added a dynamism that was lacking- despite thefar superior quality of psssing than we had last week- maybe- unforunate as it was TOL's injury will make some Magner's space for Williams to start, and goodness knows we could do with a halfback who might be playing international rugby in five years time.

The Lion King
9th-October-2010, 18:40
I remember when O leary started off he was quite poor and nobody would have thought he was ever going to make it. I reckon it could be the same for Duncan Williams, I rate him highly. A very good passer, physical and is a threat around d fringes

Call999
9th-October-2010, 18:52
Williams did well when he came on. He appears to be a cross between TOL and Strings and if he can push on will be just what we need.
That said without creativity from 6 to 12 brought about through coaching it won't be enough to win the HC

overthehillprop
9th-October-2010, 18:58
Williams did well when he came on. He appears to be a cross between TOL and Strings and if he can push on will be just what we need.
That said without creativity from 6 to 12 brought about through coaching it won't be enough to win the HC



I thought our backs looked the best when TOL was breaking all season before he broke his leg. He created space for our midfield, backrows were tied in and thats when we had Mafi and Earls in midfield. The following season TOL wasn't as effective and Mafi and Earls looked like they'd never played together.

BobMc
11th-October-2010, 08:08
saw Conor in action friday night against shannon, I though his kicking
was great considering the wind that was blowing on the night, one to
watch for sure!

galinka
11th-October-2010, 08:28
Duncan W did well Saturday - pleasantly surprised.

markcaver
21st-November-2010, 17:47
Played a stormer....mostly....except for a few hicups.
Made one or two fine breaks

lactose intolerant
21st-November-2010, 17:52
a class act.....ridiculous the strength in depth we have at SH and hooker particularly

Dudz
21st-November-2010, 18:00
It was the first time I have seen him play, very very impressed. He reminds me of a young Mike Philips, has the same style. Without losing the plot, I think we have an up and coming international. If he builds up a little, a little more confidence, I think he will be a one to watch. really impressed me tonight smileys/biggrin.gif

Call999
21st-November-2010, 18:13
Murray was excellent tonight. He needs a bit more bulk but he has a good pass, kick and he can carry. I think that D. Williams may be passed.

lawrence
21st-November-2010, 18:17
i thought at times he tried to do to much, got involved in tackles that he didnt need to, but his breaks were well timed and gave good momentum, there was just a breakdown when he wasnt there,

he looks a very good prospect, very much a balance between stringer and TOL's characteristics,

Tobyglen
21st-November-2010, 18:26
He's going to be good. Sweet pass and he's a better option than Williams.

fullback15
21st-November-2010, 18:29
Sweet pass and can kick too.I hope they give him at least as many chances as Williams as I suspect he may well prove himself if they do. he is a big scrumhalf too- another way he is like a young philips. Still only 21- well worth investing in.

TippRed
21st-November-2010, 18:30
Murray looked really good tonight. Definitely one for the future. I think he has the potential to be world class if he can bulk up a bit without losing pace. I am not sure that we need to fast track him. My guess is that cut backs next summer will see a lot of decisions on what players to keep and release. Given the coverage that we have at SH there will be a tough decision.

Mebawsa Ritchie
21st-November-2010, 18:32
This is worse than the old cringeworthy "Toasterhead love in" threadssmileys/lol.gif

p.s. Murray did well tonight, but isn't the Messiah.

lactose intolerant
21st-November-2010, 18:46
This is worse than the old cringeworthy "Toasterhead love in" threadssmileys/lol.gif

p.s. Murray did well tonight, but isn't the Messiah.



blasphemy....though he's no POM/Nagle in fairness!!

by the by, perchance did you see him for garryowen agasint munsters a couple of months ago?? best player on the pitch behind a pack which was manshamed around the park- just ask Ruck

Charco
21st-November-2010, 19:12
This is worse than the old
cringeworthy "Toasterhead love in" threads*smileys/lol.gifp.s. Murray
did well tonight, but isn't the Messiah.


Finally some reasonable comment.

Balla Boy
21st-November-2010, 19:15
Why is it that we can only produce players in positions where we have
options? Loose heads, Hookers, locks, back rows and scrum halves
out the wazoo. No sign of a 10.

sparks
21st-November-2010, 19:27
He has the potential to be better than Stringer and is miles ahead of TOLsmileys/biggrin.gif

dropkick
21st-November-2010, 19:44
Looks more naturally talented than TOL or Williams and
physically big enough too. Any other team would be promoting
him quickly but in Irish rugby things are slower.

tickettout
21st-November-2010, 19:47
Looks to have everything.He has a bright future.

galinka
21st-November-2010, 19:48
Murray great PROSPECT for now - need to see more of him.


Have been impressed several times though.


James Coughlin was MOM though, not Murray as chosen by TG4.

Red in the Pale
21st-November-2010, 19:52
I thought he was good tonight but Coughlan was my MOTM.

Bosco
21st-November-2010, 19:53
I was on this bandwagon 3 years ago smileys/cool.gif

Delmar O'Donnell
21st-November-2010, 19:53
Looks more naturally talented than TOL or Williams and

physically big enough too. Any other team would be promoting

him quickly but in Irish rugby things are slower.

Are you supposed to fasttrack him in ahead of Stringer and Tomas O'Leary??

NiallGK
21st-November-2010, 19:55
I must say that he impressed me no end. This past week has
been a revelation in terms of the young blood coming
through.

dropkick
21st-November-2010, 20:00
Looks more naturally talented than TOL
or Williams and
physically big enough too. Any other team would be
promoting
him quickly but in Irish rugby things are slower.
Are you supposed to fasttrack him in ahead of
Stringer and Tomas O'Leary??

Yes is the short answer. If he's better than them why
should they be ahead of him? I don't think he should be
ahead of Stringer yet but TOL has been a disaster since his
injury after he got selected for the Lions squad.

The Outlaw
21st-November-2010, 20:03
still think williams is better.


just my opinion

Munster72
21st-November-2010, 20:47
murrays pass is like a rocket and is good for makin some
sniping runs around the ruck, looks physically big enough why
not give him more of a shot im not sayin 1st choice but give
him a chance?

Cathal
21st-November-2010, 20:57
still think williams is better.


just my opinion

Based on what?

I've not seen a huge amount of either, so keep that in mind, but between televised AIL and attending Munster and Munster A games, Murray looks the more promising of the two.
He's more physical, less injury prone, can kick goals, seems to have the faster and more accurate pass and is less inclined to take a step from the ruck.
What has Williams got over him?

JoeyFantastic
21st-November-2010, 20:59
still think williams is better.


just my opinionBased on what?I've not
seen a huge amount of either, so keep that in mind, but
between televised AIL and attending Munster and Munster
A games, Murray looks the more promising of the two. He's
more physical, less injury prone, can kick goals, seems to
have the faster and more accurate pass and is less inclined
to take a step from the ruck.What has Williams got over
him?

Decision making, organisation? Williams was very good
against Oz, imo. There's no need to call it yet, imo.

Tobyglen
21st-November-2010, 21:09
still think williams is better.


just my opinion

Based on what?

I've not seen a huge amount of either, so keep that in mind, but between televised AIL and attending Munster and Munster A games, Murray looks the more promising of the two.
He's more physical, less injury prone, can kick goals, seems to have the faster and more accurate pass and is less inclined to take a step from the ruck.
What has Williams got over him?

Seen them both plenty of times now, Murray is an excellent prospect -better than Williams. He has a complete skillset. It's only a matter of time before he makes the No.9 jersey his own.

The Outlaw
21st-November-2010, 21:12
still think williams is better.



just my opinion


Based on what?I've not
seen a huge amount of either, so keep that in mind, but
between televised AIL and attending Munster and Munster
A games, Murray looks the more promising of the two. He's
more physical, less injury prone, can kick goals, seems to
have the faster and more accurate pass and is less inclined
to take a step from the ruck.What has Williams got over
him?

Decision making, organisation? Williams was very good
against Oz, imo. There's no need to call it yet, imo.


Precisely Joey- outplaying Luke Burgress somehow in my opinion supercedes the Scarlets. Both of them are very good players but Williams has passed every test thus far.

cornerboy
21st-November-2010, 21:13
By the way boys, we have applied for an IMF/EU bailout

NiallGK
21st-November-2010, 21:20
*


By the way boys, we have applied for an IMF/EU
bailout

Does that mean we are going to have a German scrum half
foisted on us? smileys/shock.gif

The Outlaw
21st-November-2010, 21:22
By the way boys, we have applied for an IMF/EU
bailout

Does that mean we are going to have a German scrum half
foisted on us. smileys/shock.gif maybe bertie could play scrum half. Brian Cowen could sort out the tight head problem.

lactose intolerant
21st-November-2010, 21:27
still think williams is better.



just my opinion


Based on what?I've not
seen a huge amount of either, so keep that in mind, but
between televised AIL and attending Munster and Munster
A games, Murray looks the more promising of the two. He's
more physical, less injury prone, can kick goals, seems to
have the faster and more accurate pass and is less inclined
to take a step from the ruck.What has Williams got over
him?

Decision making, organisation? Williams was very good
against Oz, imo. There's no need to call it yet, imo.


Precisely Joey- outplaying Luke Burgress somehow in my opinion supercedes the Scarlets. Both of them are very good players but Williams has passed every test thus far.

that's a very fair point, while i'd also think that generally murray is possibly a better prospect from what i have seen, williams has been quite impressive in his outings at a higher level than murray has seen!!

i remember my first time seeing murray was in the ireland 20's....did williams play at that level?

JoeyFantastic
21st-November-2010, 21:33
still think williams is better.


just my opinion


Based on what?I've not seen a huge amount of
either, so keep that in mind, but between televised AIL and
attending Munster and Munster A games, Murray looks the
more promising of the two. He's more physical, less injury
prone, can kick goals, seems to have the faster and more
accurate pass and is less inclined to take a step from the
ruck.What has Williams got over him? Decision
making, organisation? Williams was very good against Oz,
imo. There's no need to call it yet, imo.


Precisely Joey- outplaying Luke Burgress somehow in
my opinion supercedes the Scarlets. Both of them are very
good players but Williams has passed every test thus
far.that's a very fair point, while i'd also think
that generally murray is possibly a better prospect from
what i have seen, williams has been quite impressive in his
outings at a higher level than murray has seen!!i
remember my first time seeing murray was in the ireland
20's....did williams play at that level?

He was in the same squad as Sexton, last year of u21's?

Bosco
21st-November-2010, 21:33
I have seen Murray outplay an International scrum half when
he was 17


Bommer smileys/lol.gif

lactose intolerant
21st-November-2010, 21:40
I have seen Murray outplay an International scrum half when

he was 17





Bommer smileys/lol.gif

was clinton huppert a scrum half??

Big-al
21st-November-2010, 21:41
I say give him a lash, ulster give debuts to 2 19 Year olds Marshall and Gilroy in our last 2 games and they and both showed up extremely well, especially Gilroy who scored 2 trys.


Anyway my point is that age doesn't matter. Murray looked a lot better player than Williams. I reckon he'll overtake TOL after the world cup. He's already better at the basics (i.e passing) but his game management andtactical nouse will take a while for him to become settled in your Hcup team.

The Outlaw
21st-November-2010, 21:52
I say give him a lash, ulster give debuts to 2 19 Year olds Marshall and Gilroy in our last 2 games and they and both showed up extremely well, especially Gilroy who scored 2 trys.


Anyway my point is that age doesn't matter. Murray looked a lot better player than Williams. I reckon he'll overtake TOL after the world cup. He's already better at the basics (i.e passing) but his game management andtactical nouse will take a while for him to become settled in your Hcup team.














Both of them are so good you signed an South African?

Big-al
21st-November-2010, 21:56
Luke Marshall is a 12 and Gilroy is a winger??

123UCG
21st-November-2010, 22:03
It's a shame rowley never fufilled his potential or would be laughing.
V impressed by Murray. Paniced a bit At ruck base in last 15 but had
a super game and is a good kicker. Williams has served his
apprenticeship and deserves to play at mo but having Murray
snapping at his heels certainly isn't a bad thing

lactose intolerant
21st-November-2010, 22:06
Luke Marshall is a 12 and Gilroy is a winger??

smileys/lol.gif

Rebelruck
21st-November-2010, 22:09
Both Murray and Williams look better passers/ more assertive
at the base of scrum than O Leary. Early days i know but.

Fair point?

diarm
21st-November-2010, 22:11
[/QUOTE]Brian Cowen could sort out the tight head problem.[/QUOTE]

the words "brian cowen" and "sort out a problem" only belong in one sentence.

Buceph
21st-November-2010, 22:15
With Williams, apart from his slower pass and step his biggest problem is that he still seems to be in AIL mode. He went for that little loping run far too often against Australia, and got caught quite a bit. I've said it before but if he figures out the right times to do that it could pay huge dividends in the future. He's similar to TOL in that respect, a slower pass but could offer an attacking advantage with the forwards. And he was immense in defense against the Ozzies.

Murray looked like a mix between TOL (at his best) and Strings though. He has a fast pass, but also has the attacking ability as shown by a couple of his snipes tonight. And his runs came off better, on average than Williams'. I think it's a very tough call between the two of them. Williams has already performed at a higher level, while Murray has looked better in the lower level games I've seen him in.

I think it's a very tough call for McGahan, one I wouldn't face lightly. And it's something that he has to face in a couple of positions, with the hooker scenario and the backrow, and the second row. And of course in the backline with the more established players. When Earls is back fully and Mafi's ban is up along with Barry Murphy's game tonight we'll face it in the centre. And Deasy is doing good things along with the other lads.

diarm
21st-November-2010, 22:17
Brian Cowen could sort out the tight head problem.

the words "brian cowen" and "sort out the problem" only belong in one sentence. and it's not rugby related.

Charco
21st-November-2010, 22:31
Brian Cowen could sort out the tight
head problem.the words "brian cowen" and "sort out
the problem" only belong in one sentence. and it's not rugby
related.

They don't belong together at all.

mr chips
21st-November-2010, 23:32
Ah now that's just not true Charco. How about "Putting Brian Cowen </span>in front of a firing squad would be a great start, even if it didn't actually sort out the problem</span>"?

EDIT - sorry, forgot I was posting in the Conor Murray thread.
(My point still holds true though.)

Anyway, back to Conor ...

Charco
22nd-November-2010, 00:00
Ah now that's just not true Charco.* How about "Putting &lt;span style="font-weight:
bold;"&gt;Brian Cowen &lt;/span&gt;in front of a firing squad would be a great start, even if
it didn't actually &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;sort out the problem&lt;/span&gt;"?
EDIT - sorry, forgot I was posting in the Conor Murray thread. (My point still holds
true though.)Anyway, back to Conor ...

You've exposed me as an imbecile!! smileys/shock.gif smileys/lol.gif

Hugonaut
22nd-November-2010, 05:46
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.

ustix
22nd-November-2010, 06:44
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.

Let's not be getting carrried away now!

Jorm
22nd-November-2010, 06:49
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.


Steady on there, the lads a very good player and was excellent yesterday but we need to trust the management that they know what they are doing with these guys. Afterall they have done an outstanding jobdevelopingyoung fellas in the last two years as it is. There's a lot more to bringing on a young fella than giving them matches at a high level - training sessions and skills/strength conditioning are much more important now. Murrays development will continue in the background even if he's not in the public eye for ML and HC matches.





A very exciting prospect but lets trust the munster management and academy that they know a lot more about the younger players than we do and will look after their development accordingly.

lawrence
22nd-November-2010, 07:03
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.

Let's not be getting carrried away now!



getting carried away is the bedrock on which this forum is built.

Hugonaut
22nd-November-2010, 07:15
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.

Let's not be getting carrried away now!



getting carried away is the bedrock on which this forum is built.


Haha! Exactly.

Rare enough that I'd get carried away with a player as well, and doubled to that, I'm a Leinster supporter. Nor am I always calling for "de yoot ah'teday" to be given a shot at the expense of better, older players.

I think this guy is a smashing talent. Best young Irish scrum-half I've seen in a long, long while.

Clubman
22nd-November-2010, 07:26
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.

Let's not be getting carrried away now!



getting carried away is the bedrock on which this forum is built.


Haha! Exactly.

Rare enough that I'd get carried away with a player as well, and doubled to that, I'm a Leinster supporter. Nor am I always calling for "de yoot ah'teday" to be given a shot at the expense of better, older players.

I think this guy is a smashing talent. Best young Irish scrum-half I've seen in a long, long while.


Did the BBC Wales lads pass any positive comment on him - or on any of our crowd for that matter?

Ruck
22nd-November-2010, 07:36
I was on this bandwagon 3 years ago smileys/cool.gif
Snap! He was directly responsible for Young Munster's promotion that season.

Valencia
22nd-November-2010, 07:40
I was on this bandwagon 3 years ago smileys/cool.gif
Snap! He was directly responsible for Young Munster's promotion that season.





&amp; his absence (&amp; Prendies) is having an effect this year

Big-al
22nd-November-2010, 08:36
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.
Let's not be getting carrried away now!



getting carried away is the bedrock on which this forum is built.


Haha! Exactly.

Rare enough that I'd get carried away with a player as well, and doubled to that, I'm a Leinster supporter. Nor am I always calling for "de yoot ah'teday" to be given a shot at the expense of better, older players.

I think this guy is a smashing talent. Best young Irish scrum-half I've seen in a long, long while.


Did the BBC Wales lads pass any positive comment on him - or on any of our crowd for that matter?






scrum v said he was having a very good game

lawrence
22nd-November-2010, 08:57
all of our opinions are irrelevant anyway,

until hook says he is s**t we wont know for sure if he will make it.

Mack the Knife
22nd-November-2010, 09:37
Tavis Knoyle continues to impress. Made things difficult for Munster when he came on.

kahalui
22nd-November-2010, 09:48
Havent seen enough of Murray to comment on but Im surprised at how some on here are dismissing Williams after he totally outplayed Luke burgess last week in what was a huge test for a novice SH in appalling conditions.

Anyway, great to see we have 2 good SHs ready for 1st team action. GIVE THEM GAMETIME McGahan/Irfu/ DK or whoevers in charge!!

Maybe it'd be a good idea to change the title of the thread to 'Conor Murray/Duncan Williams' ... as both are being discussed..

Ballyb
22nd-November-2010, 09:57
Very, very good player. I'd have no qualms with saying that he's good enough to play HEC rugby in December. Almost certainly a long-term Irish scrum-half, hopefully in the very near future. More talent at the position from what I've seen [only two and a half matches mind, but a scrum-half gets a lot of touches on the ball] than any Irish scrum-half of the pro era.


Conor has been brilliant in his limited chances with the full team. He looks an excellent prospect and as of yesterdaymorninghe was fourth choice. I hope he is moved up the ranks as he showed class last night when coming in. Definately one for the future and that should start soon.

Waterfordlad
22nd-November-2010, 11:13
+1 Thought Conor was excellent last night - pleasant surprise as I hadn't seen much of him before

Arthur Guinness
22nd-November-2010, 11:18
+1 Thought Conor was excellent last
night - pleasant surprise as I hadn't seen much of him
before

Same with me. Hadn't seen him before but well impressed.Has
a good pass,is a good sized guy and the step before passing
that others have commented on is far less than others and I'm
quite sure can be greatly improved again or got rid of. Not
writing off Williams by any means. We're fortunate to have
guys of this calibre/potential coming up.

Pony
20th-January-2013, 21:43
I think it's important to say.

Conor's performance in Paris was utterly chronic.

Today he not only play solidly throughout, but he had the sweets to back himself. Considering how much pressure he was under he took the ball from a maul and crashed over through a few Racing players including their 8. This was when the pressure was starting to build as we hadn't made an early breakthrough. Simply top class.

For a young man that showed great character.

Waterfordlad
20th-January-2013, 21:45
Absolutely Pony, hats off to him - he really delivered. Delighted he got the first try too

Angus Axe
20th-January-2013, 21:55
Too right, he had 3 RM players to beat, had no right to make the line but he did. Was a pain in RM's side all day. He's critical to Munster's future and he's what 24 and all Munster

the plastic paddy
20th-January-2013, 22:03
Till the day I die I will say that the concussion Conor Murray suffered against the hairsprays was still affecting him in Paris. It was simply too anomalous a performance to be real. I was so pleased to see him make it to 70 minutes today, jebus a scrum half would need to be fit playing this game!!??!! He ran the game today, taking a lot of pressure off of Keatley. A fantastic player!!!

NiallGK
20th-January-2013, 22:17
He sure did PP. I thought he bossed the pack and passed like Stringer, was more physical than O'Leary ever was and has an eye for the whitewash that's better than both.

In Paris, Murray had the kind of 'mare that could have set him back years. Not a bit of it, he continues to improve. Mind you, he does have a bit of a penchant for handbags.

isola ciarrai
20th-January-2013, 22:20
Saw him for the first time two years - only just two years ago! - coming on for an injured Wiliams out in a rainy and cold, desolate Viadana. He ran from an Aironi lineout just below us to tackle a winger on the far side and never seemed to be running quickly. He is like a thoroughbred horse, loping around and never looking hurried. The amazing thing is that he is still only learning and gining experience. His cockiness was reduced by his error in Paris but damn, he is young. Think that what a lot of people see as a slow and ponderous player is in fact a measured and elegant, unhurried player who seems to have time because he makes time. He has come to be a major player in our team and his break, like having a big, fast 7 coming at you, keeps other packs honest, as does IK at 10.
Would make a serious effort to get either Frank Murphy (Cork) or Paul O'Donohoe from Connacht as back up since Marmion has it nailed down there. Murray has scored a try from almost nothing in both of our recent HEC matches when really, really needed.

Red October
20th-January-2013, 23:51
The seriously good thing abour Murray delivering this sort of a leaders performance is that it really does make the task of opting for Keatley outside him an easier one. With JJ off the bench, this is a triumvirate who are hopefully going to grow into one another's games wonderfully.

Need another quality 9 and we'll be in halfback clover.

I mean absolutely no disrespect by this post to ROG. These lads are where we need to be going. Simple as - and there's still learning to be done on the tactical kicking front, but I'd sooner see it learned on job at this stage.

Dusty
21st-January-2013, 00:45
Acknowledge that had a good game, but think he needs to get some lessons from Stringer on how to get the ball outside him without having to take 2/3 steps and provide quicker service to the backs.

Daithi
21st-January-2013, 00:46
Conor Murray has been simply brilliant this season to date. Brain fart v RM in Paris apart he has been absolute class this year in every aspect of his game kicking, running, defence, option taking, etc I thought some of his passing today on a difficult w Indy day for handling was top drawer. He's a class act.

lactose intolerant
21st-January-2013, 01:21
Ever since Paris (which has been overblown anyway a bit in my view), Murray has simply been the standout player in Irish rugby!!

His performances for Ireland v Fiji and Argentina were seriously top class, and we've seen more of the same since

Downsouthdukin
21st-January-2013, 02:28
Acknowledge that had a good game, but think he needs to get some lessons from Stringer on how to get the ball outside him without having to take 2/3 steps and provide quicker service to the backs.

I love this myth.

Downsouthdukin
21st-January-2013, 02:30
His boot is phenomenal too. Wonder has he given up totally on goalkicking?

joeriddick
21st-January-2013, 02:31
I love this myth.

It's written on page 7 of the Guide to Bluffing About Munster Rugby 2013.

No. 16
21st-January-2013, 02:56
5th Ed. of the series.

Corkmunsterman
21st-January-2013, 10:36
I feel like Hunter s thompson, can't figure out which posts are supposed to be real and which are illusory...

rathbaner
21st-January-2013, 13:37
The seriously good thing abour Murray delivering this sort of a leaders performance is that it really does make the task of opting for Keatley outside him an easier one.
I mean absolutely no disrespect by this post to ROG. These lads are where we need to be going. Simple as - and there's still learning to be done on the tactical kicking front, but I'd sooner see it learned on job at this stage.

Murray has been driving the game much more from 9 of late than we are used to seeing in years (ever?) at Munster. I know Stringer could take the pressure of ROG from time to time but I think Murray is being encouraged to make decisions and call plays more like a Yaschvilli/Pienaar type of role than Eoin Reddan's type of role.

I think this will be a big part of how this side develops.

the plastic paddy
21st-January-2013, 13:44
Murray has been driving the game much more from 9 of late than we are used to seeing in years (ever?) at Munster. I know Stringer could take the pressure of ROG from time to time but I think Murray is being encouraged to make decisions and call plays more like a Yaschvilli/Pienaar type of role than Eoin Reddan's type of role.

I think this will be a big part of how this side develops.And Ireland! Murray and Sexton were really starting to work well together in the AIs.

tickettout
30th-April-2013, 16:19
Is it time to start fast tracking this kid?

October 2010


I'm a scary judge of talent.
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Mardyke Maverick
30th-April-2013, 17:03
What's his contract status? Must be next up for a CC.

joconnell
30th-April-2013, 19:16
What's his contract status? Must be next up for a CC.

Only if he moves to Leinster though, it's part of the exchange for Conway and Luke fitz.

Rog is Godlike
30th-April-2013, 19:20
Only if he moves to Leinster though, it's part of the exchange for Conway and Luke fitz.

heathen!!!! :)

Corcíoch
30th-April-2013, 19:21
Only if he moves to Leinster though, it's part of the exchange for Conway and Luke fitz.

Sure that would never be welcomed . . .

He's Munster version of Heaslip . . . . . slated by so many from other provinces cos they just can see how good he is.

The no of Leinster fans whinging about him having been picked for the tour on interweb threads today!!!! . . . roughly the same no as Munster fans whinging about Heaslip being picked.


Cannot for the life of me understand that . . . . from either side. How could anyone be pissed off at seeing an Irish player selected. ( bar the folks who hate the whole Lions thing )

joconnell
30th-April-2013, 19:27
Hmm - don't think any leinster fans slate him all that much? He's been criticised for being a bit ponderous at times which can be a little frustrating but he's shown in some of the recent ireland match what he's capable of.

Corcíoch
30th-April-2013, 19:40
Hmm - don't think any leinster fans slate him all that much? He's been criticised for being a bit ponderous at times which can be a little frustrating but he's shown in some of the recent ireland match what he's capable of.

You should read the comments on the various interweb threads today . . .

It should have been Philips, Youngs, Care . . .

He is a one trick pony,

He cant pass

He cant kick

etc etc etc

There is loads of it.

Dont take it as a dig btw, there are just as many eejits from this province slating other Irish players . . . .like the Heaslip example.

I've seen plenty of it from other fans too . . .advocates of Marshall as an example . ..not for the Lions, but in general.

Paddy Whac
30th-April-2013, 20:47
Hmm - don't think any leinster fans slate him all that much? He's been criticised for being a bit ponderous at times which can be a little frustrating but he's shown in some of the recent ireland match what he's capable of.

If you're not a regular on the rugby forum on boards.ie then have a gander about what some post on Murray.

Tipplad
1st-May-2013, 02:20
Conor's meteoric rise over the past two years has been nothing short of phenomenal. He was playing for garryowen regularly in the AIL then due to a few injuries he got his chance and took it with both hands. It just kicked off from there. Nothing Fazed him and it clearly showed in his performances. He then earned a well deserved call up to the Ireland world cup squad and from then on he has always been Irelands no1 9. However,he has had his poor matches and has received a lot of flake last season in particular maybe due to the fact that his early potential wasn't coming to fruitition (possibly a dose of second season syndrome). The manner in which he has come on this season in leaps and bounds has been mighty impressive. He has certainly quickened up his passing and he is maturing game after game.Who would have thought that approximately two years after his first competitve game for munster he would be selected to go the lions tour? Any young player running out of patience and seriously considering throwing in the toweljust take a look at conor murray....absolutely delighted for him

oilean
1st-May-2013, 05:49
He certainly learned a lot from his "bad day out" against Racing Metro!! Fair dues to him
Congrats to our 2 Lions

Munsterboy
1st-May-2013, 06:42
Murray made two unforgivable errors in the eyes of some:

1. He was good enough to be picked ahead of a HEC winning Leinster scrum half (ironically one from Munster) when he was only just out of nappies.
2. He was picked by Kidney. (Burn the witch! BURN HIM!)

Clearly a class act. Was obvious from the first time he appeared for Munster that he just had the poise and the natural attributes to go all the way. Delighted to see him make the Lions. He's only going to get better.

the plastic paddy
1st-May-2013, 06:47
Murray made two unforgivable errors in the eyes of some:

1. He was good enough to be picked ahead of a HEC winning Leinster scrum half (ironically one from Munster) when he was only just out of nappies.
2. He was picked by Kidney. (Burn the witch! BURN HIM!)

Clearly a class act. Was obvious from the first time he appeared for Munster that he just had the poise and the natural attributes to go all the way. Delighted to see him make the Lions. He's only going to get better.Conor Murray is going to be Ireland's greatest ever scrum half. He is absolute quality and I look forward to him and Luke McGrath pushing each other onto new heights over the next 5/6 years. When you factor in PJ, Olding, Madigan, Sexton(who is hardly an old man) and JJ, Ireland's half back pairing is looking very exciting. God the future of Irish rugby is looking good.

the plastic paddy
1st-May-2013, 06:51
He certainly learned a lot from his "bad day out" against Racing Metro!! Fair dues to him
Congrats to our 2 LionsI will argue for ever that he was still feeling the effects of his concussion against the hairsprays in the racing game.