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Don Pepe
2nd-September-2010, 08:37
I heard that ***name removed*** was dropped from the
Munster Schools Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the
Waterford Minor County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday.
He has played hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8.
There was no press report on this match but he was dropped
off the panel on Monday.smileys/sad.gif smileys/thumb-down.gif

How did the Munster schools management find out smileys/confused.gif:

So much for player retention!!!


***name removed by Mod - please discuss the issues around it rather than the player himself***

LLCOOLJ14
2nd-September-2010, 08:44
In fairness, naming schools players here, or spreading rumours like that, dont do anyone any favours Don Pepe.

Don Pepe
2nd-September-2010, 08:46
In fairness, naming schools players
here, or spreading rumours like that, dont do anyone any
favours Don Pepe.

It's not a rumour, It's a fact.

I wouldn't have posted if it was a rumour.

Point
2nd-September-2010, 08:52
I heard that was dropped from the
Munster Schools Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the Waterford Minor County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday. He has played hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8. There was no press report on this match but he was dropped
off the panel on Monday.

So much for player retention!!!


I would hope there is more to it than you're saying. I don't think I've heard of rugby acting in such a GAA-like, knuckle-scraping manner as that before.

Fachtna Cewa
2nd-September-2010, 08:53
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd only bring the stink of failure with him.

Don Pepe
2nd-September-2010, 08:56
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd
only bring the stink of failure with him.

That's a stupid comment to make smileys/sad.gif

Dave Cahill
2nd-September-2010, 09:01
Didn't Munster Schools play Connacht on Monday?

Don Pepe
2nd-September-2010, 09:04
I heard that was dropped from the Munster Schools
Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the Waterford Minor
County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday. He has played
hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8. There was no
press report on this match but he was dropped off the
panel on Monday. So much for player retention!!!




I would hope there is more to it than you're saying. I
don't think I've heard of rugby acting in such a GAA-like,
knuckle-scraping manner as that before.

Apparently not.
He was probably told not to play any other which to me is
wrong.
As I said in my post he's played with Ballygunner from the
age of 8.
17/18 year old schools players shouldn't have that
pressure put on them as they have enough to worry about
with their exams.

kermit
2nd-September-2010, 09:25
Didn't Munster Schools play Connacht on Monday?


They did.

Fachtna Cewa
2nd-September-2010, 10:11
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd
only bring the stink of failure with him.

That's a stupid comment to make smileys/sad.gif

Lol, chill out little one!

Dave Cahill
2nd-September-2010, 10:15
Didn't Munster
Schools play Connacht on Monday?


They did.

That being the case, then surely a lad playing another high
level match in a different code two days previously would
have some serious explaining to do to the Munster
management.

McCloud
2nd-September-2010, 10:33
Didn't Munster
Schools play Connacht on Monday?



They did.




That being the case, then surely a lad playing another high
level match in a different code two days previously would
have some serious explaining to do to the Munster
management.


That would be my thought as well.

beir bua
2nd-September-2010, 10:54
I heard that was dropped from the Munster Schools
Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the Waterford Minor
County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday. He has played
hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8. There was no
press report on this match but he was dropped off the
panel on Monday. So much for player retention!!!




I would hope there is more to it than you're saying. I
don't think I've heard of rugby acting in such a GAA-like,
knuckle-scraping manner as that before.

Apparently not.
He was probably told not to play any other which to me is
wrong.
As I said in my post he's played with Ballygunner from the
age of 8.
17/18 year old schools players shouldn't have that
pressure put on them as they have enough to worry about
with their exams.


Was it wrong that he was dropped? The coach may have had a good reason. Concentrating on two sports at that age may not be possible.

kooga made for rugby
2nd-September-2010, 11:16
Didn't Munster Schools play Connacht on Monday?


They did.





Munster Schools played Munster U19 last night @6.30 in Curraheen Cork.

kermit
2nd-September-2010, 11:30
Didn't Munster Schools play Connacht on Monday?


They did.





Munster Schools played Munster U19 last night @6.30 in Curraheen Cork.








Sh1te, I got my dates mixed up, it's the 30th of September they're playing Connacht.

treatycity1
2nd-September-2010, 11:51
"
Concentrating on two sports at that age may not be possible".


17 year olds are full of energy, if they're not playing sport they are batin the bishop dreaming of paris hilton or some other slapper.
Most lads that play hurling also play football, both codes, and other sports.
I think schools rugby has become too serious and most of these coaces are up their
own arses.
It is still a free country and he is allowed to play what and with whom ever he likes.
This sounds like a coach who should belong to the nazi party.

Kilmeen
2nd-September-2010, 12:05
We hear all this talk about player welfare for our senior panel is it any surprise that the under age coach may have taken the view that 2 high intensity games in such ashort time wasnt good for a developing body, so may have been protecting the player rather than banning him for playing other sports!!!!

Munsterboy
2nd-September-2010, 12:45
I heard that was dropped from the
Munster Schools Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the
Waterford Minor County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday.
He has played hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8.
There was no press report on this match but he was
dropped off the panel on Monday. So much for player
retention!!!


I would hope there is more to it than you're saying. I
don't think I've heard of rugby acting in such a GAA-like,
knuckle-scraping manner as that before.
Apparently not. He was probably told not to play any other
which to me is wrong. As I said in my post he's played with
Ballygunner from the age of 8. 17/18 year old schools
players shouldn't have that pressure put on them as they
have enough to worry about with their exams.
Was it wrong that he was dropped? The coach
may have had a good reason. Concentrating on two sports
at that age may not be possible.

Tell that to TOL and the numerous other internationals and
professional player who were county minor
footballers/hurlers.

It is entirely possible to do two sports to a serious level at
that age and plenty of lads do. In many cases the
positives (superior ball skills etc.) far outweigh the
negatives. For a fit 17/18 year old, recovering from a club
hurling match takes no time.

Don't know the exact details in this case but forcing lads to
choose too early will only drive them away.

JoeyFantastic
2nd-September-2010, 13:16
I heard that was dropped from the
Munster Schools Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the
Waterford Minor County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday.
He has played hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8.
There was no press report on this match but he was
dropped off the panel on Monday. So much for player
retention!!!


I would hope there is more to it than you're saying. I
don't think I've heard of rugby acting in such a GAA-like,
knuckle-scraping manner as that before.
Apparently not. He was probably told not to play any other
which to me is wrong. As I said in my post he's played with
Ballygunner from the age of 8. 17/18 year old schools
players shouldn't have that pressure put on them as they
have enough to worry about with their exams.
Was it wrong that he was dropped? The coach
may have had a good reason. Concentrating on two sports
at that age may not be possible.

Tell that to TOL and the numerous other internationals and
professional player who were county minor
footballers/hurlers.

It is entirely possible to do two sports to a serious level at
that age and plenty of lads do. In many cases the
positives (superior ball skills etc.) far outweigh the
negatives. For a fit 17/18 year old, recovering from a club
hurling match takes no time.

Don't know the exact details in this case but forcing lads to
choose too early will only drive them away.

The fact that TOL was allowed captain the Cork minors
indicates we usually don't have an issue with players
playing other sports, especially in schools (think they have
to drop other sports to get into the Academy). This is
hopefully an isolated incident that has a different origin that
simply playing two sports.

Canterbury
2nd-September-2010, 13:23
For the love of god will someone take down this thread.

Red October
2nd-September-2010, 13:29
Indeed.

Drop this thread! In the interests of bored and poster fatigue.

Tony Soprano
2nd-September-2010, 13:36
Christ I remember when I was 17playing a match on Sunday mornings and a GAA one in the afternoon. Not ideal by any stretch but def doable with a two day gap.


The GAA was like that with the soccer. One of the things that made me choose Rugby after U-21

99_oK?
4th-September-2010, 14:06
Lads,

This is not an isolated incident, nor is it confined to the schools teams. It looks like it's now policy for IRFU to prevent playes playing other sports, and I'm not impressed by this latest stance by IRFU/Munster branch.

A couple of the local lads are in a munster under age (rugby - obviously) team. They are (were?) also on the club football and hurling teams. They have been training with the under-age academy for the past few years. They also play other sports - one of the lads has Munster medals in everything from handball to tennis and a few other codes in between; he was on the county minor hurling panel last year. He has stuck with the rugby training and withdrew from the county minors this year on the advice of the academy. Both have played football and hurling earlier this season for the club and both teams got to semi-final stages. After the rugby training started they informed the club that they had been advised that they needed permission to play any other games/sports. That was refused for the semi-finals (they were due to play for Munster 4 days later) and the lads didn't play. One manager named both on the subs bench (so they'd be eligible for a medal if the team advanced). Both teams lost (one by a point), lads are (obviously) not happy, others also not happy and this policy will not win the IRFU any new friends.

I don't know the origin of this, but it's going to backfire on rugby as it's guys like this rugby should be trying to attract. One of these lads has been spoken to again by the county board re. a scholarship next year (he's doing LC next June) should he decide to return to hurling. In the meantime I know of a number of people who have not renewed their TP season ticket on the back of this alone; I am also considering if I really want to.

I'd also like to see the likes of Tommy Bowe and Tomas O'Leary comment on this.

99_oK?
4th-September-2010, 14:16
We hear all this talk about player welfare for our senior panel is it any surprise that the under age coach may have taken the view that 2 high intensity games in such ashort time wasnt good for a developing body, so may have been protecting the player rather than banning him for playing other sports - why are you presuming this?</span> !!!!

I'm involved with sport (a few codes) and I encourage lads at this age to keep up playing 'other sports' as you term it. Not only does it improve their fitness, awareness and skills but also keeps up their social contacts. OK, you have to manage their time if they are injured or in a heavy training schedule, but at 17-18 you shouldn't be training guys like this except in short bursts/periods.

What was referred here (initially) was a challenge game - I don't see why the sanction was warranted.

busbi
6th-September-2010, 13:48
I heard that was dropped
from the Munster Schools Panel for playing for Ballygunner in the
Waterford Minor County Final v Dungarvan last Saturday. He has
played hurling with Ballygunner since the age of 8. There was no
press report on this match but he was dropped off the panel on
Monday. So much for player retention!!!


I would hope there is more to it than you're saying. I don't think
I've heard of rugby acting in such a GAA-like, knuckle-scraping
manner as that before.

Really? The layout of the seasons don't bring it about much but
anytime the established Rugby Schools have their preparation
anyway hindered by GAA activities they don't take kindly to it to say
the least. They don't even let players with no hope of playing senior
cup line out with their club youth sides.

On this particular case i'd hope there is more to it. That would be a
very bit club game for the young guy. We need to appreciate the
GAA environment we're operating with in Munster, and we also need
to have the cop on to realise that the prospect of academy places
and pro contracts will be enough to make any young lad put rugby
first when it comes to the crunch.

Nureowen Reloaded
7th-September-2010, 06:24
It sounds like overkill to me if indeed the facts are as presented, as others have said it is no problem for 17/18 year olds to play games so close to each other. I can remember at 17 playing the North Munster U18 final at TP for Garryowen against Shannon at 3 pm and playing the Limerick minor football league final at 7 pm in Askeaton on the same Sunday, no problem at all. In fact I played sh1te in the rugby andpretty good in the football match and it did me no harm at all.


I also had to duck out of a Garryowen U-20 game to play my first ever game for the Limerick minor football team down in Kerry, the club weren't happy about it, as you can imagine, but understood my position and luckily games never really clashed again in the future, I can't believe that things have gone backwards since then.

inoverthetop
7th-September-2010, 06:27
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd
only bring the stink of failure with him.

That's a stupid comment to make smileys/sad.gif

Lol, chill out little one!

Don't make ridiculous comments then... clown

Fachtna Cewa
7th-September-2010, 06:42
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd
only bring the stink of failure with him.

That's a stupid comment to make smileys/sad.gif

Lol, chill out little one!

Don't make ridiculous comments then... clown

Period pains?

inoverthetop
7th-September-2010, 07:04
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd
only bring the stink of failure with him.

That's a stupid comment to make smileys/sad.gif

Lol, chill out little one!

Don't make ridiculous comments then... clown

Period pains?

Is the Bebo site not working today? the grown ups are
trying to discussion here. If you have nothing of
note to add then run along

locomotion
7th-September-2010, 07:11
The attitude in the schools seems to be that they own the players once they go in the gate at the start of the school year and compromise or the players wishes dont come into the equation at all.

Fachtna Cewa
7th-September-2010, 07:18
He's a hurler from Waterford. He'd
only bring the stink of failure with him.

That's a stupid comment to make smileys/sad.gif

Lol, chill out little one!

Don't make ridiculous comments then... clown

Period pains?

Is the Bebo site not working today? the grown ups are
trying to discussion here I suggest if you have nothing of
note to add then run along

The grown ups? smileys/lol.gif

If a flippant comment about Waterford hurling continuous under achievement can cause you such bother, I would suggest that you look a little closer to home before you question the maturity of others. In saying that you are very entertaining.

Bokka
7th-September-2010, 20:59
Apparently the Munster Schools cut their panel on the Friday prior to this player playing hurling for Ballygunner.
This player didn't make the reduced panel and by pure coincidence, he was informed of this decision on Monday morning by the manager of Munster Schools.

As far as I know the same player has left Glenstal and is doing his leaving cert in Yeats College Waterford next year so he would have been ineligible to play anyway.