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JoeyFantastic
2nd-September-2010, 00:19
McGahan looks to re-energise Munster

GERRY THORNLEY

RUGBY/MAGNERS LEAGUE: BY MOST normal standards, it
would have been deemed a singularly competitive
campaign. Despite being ravaged by injuries – five of their
first-choice pack and a key back started less than half their
games – they reached the semi-finals of both competitions
only to lose both away from home. But this is Munster.

When they did enjoy a relatively settled spell of games
they reached their peaks – Perpignan and Treviso in
January, Northampton in the quarter-finals. What rankled
though was the manner in which they lost to Leinster and
Biarritz, especially the way the latter blitzed the Munster
scrum.

It must have made for a lonely end-of-season and long
summer for Tony McGahan. “I suppose any job has its
pitfalls or its obstacles, whether you’re a top or middle club
or one down near the bottom, but I was lucky enough to be
here for a few years before I took over the coach’s head
role so I knew the expectations from everyone involved –
players, management, the branch, all the fans, not only in
Munster but across the world. It doesn’t make it easy but
you still enjoy it and that hasn’t changed.”

In response, McGahan has clearly identified a need to
Munster-ise the coaching ticket while prioritising the scrum.
Hence Paul McCarthy has been employed as a full-time
scrum coach, to augment the re-signing of Wian du Preez
and the purchase of Peter Borlase from Canterbury, as well
as Anthony Foley’s promotion as defensive coach and the
co-opting of Mick Galwey as part-time adviser.

“You’re looking to re-energise the squad, both the
management and the squad, but most importantly it’s
change to get better,” says McGahan. “Clubs that have
been successful for a long time are looking to keep the
identity; of what you are and where you’ve come from. To
go forward you really need to recognise your history and
all those three men have been great servants to Munster
rugby, Mick and Anthony being past captains.”

McCarthy’s appointment is possibly the most revealing of
all. “Without a doubt we were certainly well below any
standard where we needed to be,” McGahan says in
reference to their scrummaging problems, “and certainly
well below Munster’s standards.”

Borlase arrives from Canterbury early in November, and
his decision to move abroad at 25 is testimony to what
McGahan describes as the prop’s desire for self-
improvement, as well as providing a potentially valuable
option to John Hayes and Tony Buckley when on Ireland
duty.

As well as the versatile Johne Murphy, the arrival of the ex-
Auckland Blues and All Black centre Sam Tuitupou, a solid,
hard-running centre with good footwork is, as McGahan
puts it, “a throwback to Rua Tipoki”.

Inevitably, of course, Irish commitments will limit the
availability of the dogs of war and the rest of the Irish
frontliners – perhaps to a maximum of 10 of the 22 League
games given a tough Heineken Cup draw against the
upwardly mobile trio of the Ospreys, London Irish and
cash-rich Toulon will invariably take priority.

Even so, McGahan vows that Munster want to remain
“competitive on both fronts” and so the onus will be on
their younger fringe players and development/academy
players (arguably a tad over-exposed last season) to come
of age.

This must be Donncha Ryan’s time, and perhaps Ian Nagle,
while McGahan has been particularly encouraged by the
“excellent” form of 20-year-old backrower Peter O’Mahony
in pre-season, as well as Felix Jones.

The latter, whom McGahan describes as “a tremendous
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Waterfordlad
2nd-September-2010, 03:26
Hope he's right

2nd-September-2010, 03:54
No admission of a mistake on the coaching part though on
the scrum. Also he talks about keeping the history alive (if
you get what I mean) and in the next sentence he's talking
about buying in props. You can't have it both ways. I'd
rather hear what he's doing to sustain that history beyond
bringing in a couple of old guys to the coaching ticket.
Which at the moment smacks of arse covering, adding
them as a shield and trying to placate the supporters by
saying look I get what Munster's about, look here's Mick
and Axle to show that.

I'll reserve judgement until I see signs they've not only
(him and Fisher) sorted out the mess they made of the
forward displays but also got some concept of keeping the
cost of the squad manageable and sustainable by working
hard on the next layer of Munster players, not just signing
players in at IC and prop forever more.

McCloud
2nd-September-2010, 05:57
In fairness he does mention that the scrum was below standard and well below Munster standards. Also don't forget Borlase is a project prop and will be IQ in 3 years all going well.

John123
2nd-September-2010, 06:45
Toby will wet his knickers when he sees the POM bit. I'm a huge fan myself so not too surprised by his comments.

Point
2nd-September-2010, 07:04
No admission of a mistake on the coaching part though on
the scrum. Also he talks about keeping the history alive (if you get what I mean) and in the next sentence he's talking about buying in props. You can't have it both ways. I'd rather hear what he's doing to sustain that history beyond
bringing in a couple of old guys to the coaching ticket. Which at the moment smacks of arse covering, adding them as a shield and trying to placate the supporters by saying look I get what Munster's about, look here's Mick and Axle to show that.

I'll reserve judgement until I see signs they've not only (him and Fisher) sorted out the mess they made of the forward displays but also got some concept of keeping the cost of the squad manageable and sustainable by working hard on the next layer of Munster players, not just signing players in at IC and prop forever more.


Tis a bit self serving alright, and I would be worried that the leopard hasn't changed his spots when I read this


Thus, he welcomes the changes in the tackle and kick-chase laws which ought to suit the kind of rugby he has being trying to implement, “but it’s very difficult to change styles or do anything if you don’t have any ball. You need a strong set-
piece as a cornerstone to do anything.”


While you DO need a strong set piece to do anything, I'm now concerned (by the bit in blue)that all he's going to do is strengthen the scrum and a couple of otherbits, but in reality, carry on with McGahanball. smileys/sad.gif

Tobyglen
2nd-September-2010, 07:15
Toby will wet his knickers when he sees the POM bit. I'm a huge fan myself so not too surprised by his comments.

smileys/biggrin.gif

I have to say that I'm encouraged by McGahans interviews of late, hopefully he has learned from his mistakes. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the season after the dreadful ending to last year.

John123
2nd-September-2010, 07:26
Toby will wet his knickers when he sees the POM bit. I'm a huge fan myself so not too surprised by his comments.

smileys/biggrin.gif

I have to say that I'm encouraged by McGahans interviews of late, hopefully he has learned from his mistakes. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the season after the dreadful ending to last year.


Same here, don't know if we'll win a whole lot but I'd be confident our squad will be in great shape by the season's end.

Munsterboy
2nd-September-2010, 07:37
No admission of a mistake on the
coaching part though on
the scrum. Also he talks about keeping the history alive
(if
you get what I mean) and in the next sentence he's talking
about buying in props. You can't have it both ways. I'd
rather hear what he's doing to sustain that history beyond
bringing in a couple of old guys to the coaching ticket.
Which at the moment smacks of arse covering, adding
them as a shield and trying to placate the supporters by
saying look I get what Munster's about, look here's Mick
and Axle to show that.

I'll reserve judgement until I see signs they've not only
(him and Fisher) sorted out the mess they made of the
forward displays but also got some concept of keeping the
cost of the squad manageable and sustainable by working
hard on the next layer of Munster players, not just signing
players in at IC and prop forever more.

In fairness EO, sounds like you've made up your mind
already.

Munster have always used some foreign players to
strengthen areas of the squad and, if anything, the signing
of two solid scrummagers does signal a return to more
traditional Munster values.

He hasn't been ignoring the young home grown talent
either. Ryan, Hurley and Archer are all getting
opportunities, along with a raft of other lads like Nagle,
TOD, Holland, POM, Williams, Deasy, Zebo, Barnes etc.

LLCOOLJ14
2nd-September-2010, 07:44
I'll reserve judgement until I see signs they've not only
(him and Fisher) sorted out the mess they made of the
forward displays .


A bit harsh to blame them- it was always goign to be difficult to replace such a good pack,basically all at once.


They are unlucky in that the Bull is near his end, and has been flogged to death at the top level at this stage, and Horan took a good while to get over his illness. Its not like itsonly a Munster issue- Ireland are struggling to replace these guys too.Further back, no pack in Europe wouldnt have missed POC in the 2nd row, and in the back row, Leamy was a savage loss. Even D Ryan,the serious potential to break into our 2nd row was also out with a bad injury.Wally and Quinny are aging and these guys were selected for the last Lions tour, so its a massive step-up to that level for any young kid coming through (or do you expect Lions in waiting ready to come in with no drop in performance)...


Itsa bit of a changing of the old guard in Munster and to expect that not to result in any drop in performace, or to blame the current coaches for causing a "mess" of the forwards displays,is unfair in the extreame.

Tobyglen
2nd-September-2010, 07:47
Yep, we really have some smashing players that will make the breakthrough, Nagle, TOD, POM, Felix Jones, and Deasy. Jones is ready now imo. They all look like they will be ready to step up in the next 18 months. In addition to that we have guys like Butler, Dave O' Callaghan, Zebo, Brian O'Hara, Barnes, Foley and Murray who have plenty of potential.

Leamy and Donnacha Ryan willl be huge additions to the team and I'm thinking the new adjustment to the rules will prove benefical to Niall Ronan who is great with the ball in hand.

2nd-September-2010, 08:54
I've made up my mind based on the fact that we're now on
our 3rd imported IC yet what is being done to bring
through players so we don't keep having to import them?
Likewise prop, a fundamental core position and we're
constantly importing now. I think people need to think
about one basic fact McGahan can do nothing about -
Munster does not and will never have the money to buy in
the very top names. Where we've bought in during the
past it's been guys who were not so much outstanding top
level internationals as guys who were next level down in
terms of individual talent, but fringe internationals with
bucket loads of knowledge and a clear ability to influence
the squad. Langford, Williams, Puc and Halstead all fall into
that mould. Buying in a guy who will be IQ in 3 years is
not answering the point I'm making. We should be working
out how to produce our own props. We can't just keep
buying in props and finding guys like Puc or McIlwham for
that matter, tough seasoned pros with the right attitude is
hard. Buying in a work in progress when we could be
spending that money to have several works in progress
from local stock is fine as a one off, but not as a constant.
We're becoming more and more reliant on buying in for
key positions. Prop and IC are 2 of the key positions in the
team. I'd like to hear what is being done to mean that in
2-3 years time Munster won't have to go shopping every
year or so. Now quite possibly something is being done but
that's what should be shouted about.

Also to not blame McGahan and Fisher for the decline of an
already shaky scrum is just wishful thinking. They in-
f**king-charge it was their job to see that didn't happen.
Instead they went off onto a basketball fest and totally
forgot that one simple tenet they now seem to have
spotted, you can't play nice running offloading high skills
rugby without the f**king ball. Every team we played
knew we had a s**te scrum and went after it with a
vengance - they're the head shed, it's their job to have
done something about that. But again, handling skills for
slow props and locks came over the basics. They were the
ones who pushed out the not that great to start with scrum
coach we had and decided a specialist wasn't needed. How
is it not their fault the scrum got worse?

Munsterboy
2nd-September-2010, 09:36
I've made up my mind based on the
fact that we're now on
our 3rd imported IC yet what is being done to bring
through players so we don't keep having to import them?
Likewise prop, a fundamental core position and we're
constantly importing now. I think people need to think
about one basic fact McGahan can do nothing about -
Munster does not and will never have the money to buy in
the very top names. Where we've bought in during the
past it's been guys who were not so much outstanding top
level internationals as guys who were next level down in
terms of individual talent, but fringe internationals with
bucket loads of knowledge and a clear ability to influence
the squad. Langford, Williams, Puc and Halstead all fall
into
that mould. Buying in a guy who will be IQ in 3 years is
not answering the point I'm making. We should be
working
out how to produce our own props. We can't just keep
buying in props and finding guys like Puc or McIlwham for
that matter, tough seasoned pros with the right attitude is
hard. Buying in a work in progress when we could be
spending that money to have several works in progress
from local stock is fine as a one off, but not as a constant.
We're becoming more and more reliant on buying in for
key positions. Prop and IC are 2 of the key positions in
the
team. I'd like to hear what is being done to mean that in
2-3 years time Munster won't have to go shopping every
year or so. Now quite possibly something is being done
but
that's what should be shouted about.

Also to not blame McGahan and Fisher for the decline of an
already shaky scrum is just wishful thinking. They in-
f**king-charge it was their job to see that didn't happen.
Instead they went off onto a basketball fest and totally
forgot that one simple tenet they now seem to have
spotted, you can't play nice running offloading high skills
rugby without the f**king ball. Every team we played
knew we had a s**te scrum and went after it with a
vengance - they're the head shed, it's their job to have
done something about that. But again, handling skills for
slow props and locks came over the basics. They were the
ones who pushed out the not that great to start with scrum
coach we had and decided a specialist wasn't needed.
How
is it not their fault the scrum got worse?

We have eight props: three experienced home-grown
players; three young home-grown players; and two
imports - one of which is a project player. That's
comparable with any side in Europe in terms of
development from within. Who should they have
promoted instead of signing the two lads? They can't pull
top-class Munster born and bred props out of their arses
but they're working with what they have.

WRT to IC, it's been a problem position for a long time -
one that neither Gaffney nor DK were able to sort out
either. I would argue that Deasy is the first lad to come
through in a long time who looks capable of doing a job for
us there.

Not saying they're perfect but after taking us down the
wrong road for two seasons, they seem to be going in the
right direction. Virtually everything they done and said
this pre-season has been positive so I'm prepared to give
them another chance before I call for their heads.

Point
2nd-September-2010, 09:37
Also to not blame McGahan and Fisher for the decline of an already shaky scrum is just wishful thinking. They in- f**king-charge it was their job to see that didn't happen. Instead they went off onto a basketball fest and totally forgot that one simple tenet they now seem to have spotted, you can't play nice running offloading high skills rugby without the f**king ball. Every team we played knew we had a s**te scrum and went after it with a vengance - they're the head shed, it's their job to have done something about that. But again, handling skills for slow props and locks came over the basics. They were the ones who pushed out the not that great to start with scrum coach we had and decided a specialist wasn't needed. How is it not their fault the scrum got worse?


Nail on the head, EO.

soccer rules
2nd-September-2010, 09:59
I've made up my mind based on the fact that we're now on
our 3rd imported IC yet what is being done to bring
through players so we don't keep having to import them?
Likewise prop, a fundamental core position and we're
constantly importing now. I think people need to think
about one basic fact McGahan can do nothing about -
Munster does not and will never have the money to buy in
the very top names. Where we've bought in during the
past it's been guys who were not so much outstanding top
level internationals as guys who were next level down in
terms of individual talent, but fringe internationals with
bucket loads of knowledge and a clear ability to influence
the squad. Langford, Williams, Puc and Halstead all fall into
that mould. Buying in a guy who will be IQ in 3 years is
not answering the point I'm making. We should be working
out how to produce our own props. We can't just keep
buying in props and finding guys like Puc or McIlwham for
that matter, tough seasoned pros with the right attitude is
hard. Buying in a work in progress when we could be
spending that money to have several works in progress
from local stock is fine as a one off, but not as a constant.
We're becoming more and more reliant on buying in for
key positions. Prop and IC are 2 of the key positions in the
team. I'd like to hear what is being done to mean that in
2-3 years time Munster won't have to go shopping every
year or so. Now quite possibly something is being done but
that's what should be shouted about.

Also to not blame McGahan and Fisher for the decline of an
already shaky scrum is just wishful thinking. They in-
f**king-charge it was their job to see that didn't happen.
Instead they went off onto a basketball fest and totally
forgot that one simple tenet they now seem to have
spotted, you can't play nice running offloading high skills
rugby without the f**king ball. Every team we played
knew we had a s**te scrum and went after it with a
vengance - they're the head shed, it's their job to have
done something about that. But again, handling skills for
slow props and locks came over the basics. They were the
ones who pushed out the not that great to start with scrum
coach we had and decided a specialist wasn't needed. How
is it not their fault the scrum got worse?


3rd imported IC how long have you been watching munster? nearly every IC to play for munster has been imported, i'll try list some from memory. rhys ellison, jason holland, rob henderson, trevor halstead, mafi, topoki, jean de villiers, and sam. even barry murphy could be added to that list. i am really struggling to think of a munster born and bread player to play I/C consistantlyin the pro era, was there one? so you expect TMCG to solve a problem that has been a problem for munster for over a decade?


you believe nothing is being done to give home grown props a go? did you not notice last season just how many home grown props played for munster? including2 20/21 yr old sub academy players. last season hayes, buckley, horan, archer, kilcoyne, hurley and ryan all got game time that 7 props all home grown. lads were given the chance to show what they can do.

2nd-September-2010, 10:04
I've made up
my mind based on the
fact that we're now on
our 3rd imported IC yet what is being done to bring
through players so we don't keep having to import them?
Likewise prop, a fundamental core position and we're
constantly importing now. I think people need to think
about one basic fact McGahan can do nothing about -
Munster does not and will never have the money to buy in
the very top names. Where we've bought in during the
past it's been guys who were not so much outstanding top
level internationals as guys who were next level down in
terms of individual talent, but fringe internationals with
bucket loads of knowledge and a clear ability to influence
the squad. Langford, Williams, Puc and Halstead all fall
into
that mould. Buying in a guy who will be IQ in 3 years is
not answering the point I'm making. We should be
working
out how to produce our own props. We can't just keep
buying in props and finding guys like Puc or McIlwham for
that matter, tough seasoned pros with the right attitude is
hard. Buying in a work in progress when we could be
spending that money to have several works in progress
from local stock is fine as a one off, but not as a constant.
We're becoming more and more reliant on buying in for
key positions. Prop and IC are 2 of the key positions in
the
team. I'd like to hear what is being done to mean that in
2-3 years time Munster won't have to go shopping every
year or so. Now quite possibly something is being done
but
that's what should be shouted about.

Also to not blame McGahan and Fisher for the decline of an
already shaky scrum is just wishful thinking. They in-
f**king-charge it was their job to see that didn't happen.
Instead they went off onto a basketball fest and totally
forgot that one simple tenet they now seem to have
spotted, you can't play nice running offloading high skills
rugby without the f**king ball. Every team we played
knew we had a s**te scrum and went after it with a
vengance - they're the head shed, it's their job to have
done something about that. But again, handling skills for
slow props and locks came over the basics. They were the
ones who pushed out the not that great to start with scrum
coach we had and decided a specialist wasn't needed.
How
is it not their fault the scrum got worse?

We have eight props: three experienced home-grown
players; three young home-grown players; and two
imports - one of which is a project player. That's
comparable with any side in Europe in terms of
development from within. Who should they have
promoted instead of signing the two lads? They can't pull
top-class Munster born and bred props out of their arses
but they're working with what they have.

WRT to IC, it's been a problem position for a long time -
one that neither Gaffney nor DK were able to sort out
either. I would argue that Deasy is the first lad to come
through in a long time who looks capable of doing a job for
us there.

Not saying they're perfect but after taking us down the
wrong road for two seasons, they seem to be going in the
right direction. Virtually everything they done and said
this pre-season has been positive so I'm prepared to give
them another chance before I call for their heads.

But ask yourself what the pecking order is for those props.
I have issues with selections anyway - but the other
problem is they have 2 Ireland props then next in line are
the imports. So how are they going to develop long term
solutions. If that isn't done then when Hayes (37) Horan
(3

2nd-September-2010, 10:16
3rd imported IC how long have you been watching
munster? nearly every IC to play for munster has been
imported, i'll try list some from memory. rhys ellison, jason
holland, rob henderson, trevor halstead, mafi, topoki, jean
de villiers, and sam. even barry murphy could be added to
that list. i am really struggling to think of a munster born
and bread player to play I/C consistantly*in the pro era,
was there one? so you expect TMCG to solve a problem
that has been a problem for munster for over a decade?



you believe nothing is being done to give home grown
props a go? did you not notice last season just how many
home grown props played for munster? including*2 20/21
yr old sub academy players. last season hayes, buckley,
horan, archer, kilcoyne, hurley and ryan all got game time
that 7 props all home grown. lads were given the chance to
show what they can do.

Firstly you're absolutely right, as I just realised when
writing last post, we've been importing for ages now.
Having said that calling Holland, (taken from Munster clubs)
and Murphy (Munster player) imports is missing the point.
But I forgot JDeV and the fact we'd brought in the likes of
Hendo, Jones-Hughes and Connolly before Halstead. As I
said, 10 years of buying players specifically to play IC for
Munster.

Secondly, I didn't say local lads aren't being given a
chance. (The fact when everyone else was injured we had
to throw in our U21s to find players doesn't prove anything
by the way). What I said was we're not showing signs of
willingness to develop from within. Both from an IQ sense
and from a sense of being more self sufficient. Every time
the issue comes up of not having sufficient cover for
internationals or injuries it's not a question of 'ok we have
a policy in place that means we have 3rd and 4th choices
we have developed' it's who can we get dispensation to buy
in. We simply don't appear to have a concept of looking at
players like Hurley and the Ryans (for example going back
over past 4 seasons) and saying ok next year when
Hayes/Buckley/Horan are away they'll be the guys picking
up the load so we need to work on them now. We need to
give them game time and take the hit. So we buy in guys
mid to late 20s. Which means another year where the next
generation don't come through. So the following year we
say the same thing, can't risk them, buy in. Then it just
goes on and on.

I don't blame the coaches for the lack (for so many years)
of A games to start to develop these guys. But I do blame
them for the fact that a clearly well past his best John
Hayes is being flogged continually and for several seasons
a not up to standard Tony Buckley was being persevered
with. It does show a lack of foresight that seems to be
continuing. It wouldn't be as bad if the results were
sufficient to say ok we're at least getting short term gain
but reality is when the big games have come along for last
2 seasons we've been found wanting.

By the way, Archer and Ryan have started just 2 games in
the last 2 years between them. The rest of their 9 games
have been off the bench. That's not actually being given a
chance to show what they can do. And realistically almost
every one of those 9 games came because of injuries not
through being given a chance. Even Hurley has started
just 12 games in 4 years - admittedly injury has prevented
him being available more often but I honestly can't say I
believe he'd have been selected had that not been the
case. Between the 3 of them they've got just 1 HEC
appearance from 7 (combined) years of being

Dave Cahill
2nd-September-2010, 10:21
Secondly, I didn't say local lads aren't being given a
chance.

I suppose it all comes down to how one defines giving
someone a chance. Is picking a lad because injuries make it
necessary to be considered giving him a chance, or is it
sticking with him after the injury situation is resolved? It can
be argued either way.

2nd-September-2010, 10:31
Secondly, I didn't say local lads aren't being given a
chance.

I suppose it all comes down to how one defines giving
someone a chance. Is picking a lad because injuries make it
necessary to be considered giving him a chance, or is it
sticking with him after the injury situation is resolved? It can
be argued either way.





Picking them because there is literally no one else capable of standing up and no cash/dispensation/time to sign anyone isn't ever going to be giving someone a chance though.

Dave Cahill
2nd-September-2010, 10:49
Secondly, I didn't say local lads aren't being given a
chance. I suppose it all comes down to how one
defines giving someone a chance. Is picking a lad because
injuries make it necessary to be considered giving him a
chance, or is it sticking with him after the injury situation is
resolved? It can be argued either way.


*


Picking them because there is literally no one else
capable of standing up and no cash/dispensation/time to
sign anyone isn't ever going to be giving someone a
chance though.

That would be my opinion also, however some could say,
with an amount of justification, that any opportunity given
to a young player can be seen as giving them a chance

soccer rules
2nd-September-2010, 14:02
[QUOTE=soccer rules]



3rd imported IC how long have you been watching
munster? nearly every IC to play for munster has been
imported, i'll try list some from memory. rhys ellison, jason
holland, rob henderson, trevor halstead, mafi, topoki, jean
de villiers, and sam. even barry murphy could be added to
that list. i am really struggling to think of a munster born
and bread player to play I/C consistantlyin the pro era,
was there one? so you expect TMCG to solve a problem
that has been a problem for munster for over a decade?




you believe nothing is being done to give home grown
props a go? did you not notice last season just how many
home grown props played for munster? including2 20/21
yr old sub academy players. last season hayes, buckley,
horan, archer, kilcoyne, hurley and ryan all got game time
that 7 props all home grown. lads were given the chance to
show what they can do.




Firstly you're absolutely right, as I just realised when
writing last post, we've been importing for ages now.
Having said that calling Holland, (taken from Munster clubs)
and Murphy (Munster player) imports is missing the point.
But I forgot JDeV and the fact we'd brought in the likes of
Hendo, Jones-Hughes and Connolly before Halstead. As I
said, 10 years of buying players specifically to play IC for
Munster.

Secondly, I didn't say local lads aren't being given a
chance. (The fact when everyone else was injured we had
to throw in our U21s to find players doesn't prove anything
by the way). What I said was we're not showing signs of
willingness to develop from within. Both from an IQ sense
and from a sense of being more self sufficient. Every time
the issue comes up of not having sufficient cover for
internationals or injuries it's not a question of 'ok we have
a policy in place that means we have 3rd and 4th choices
we have developed' it's who can we get dispensation to buy
in. We simply don't appear to have a concept of looking at
players like Hurley and the Ryans (for example going back
over past 4 seasons) and saying ok next year when
Hayes/Buckley/Horan are away they'll be the guys picking
up the load so we need to work on them now. We need to
give them game time and take the hit. So we buy in guys
mid to late 20s. Which means another year where the next
generation don't come through. So the following year we
say the same thing, can't risk them, buy in. Then it just
goes on and on.

I don't blame the coaches for the lack (for so many years)
of A games to start to develop these guys. But I do blame
them for the fact that a clearly well past his best John
Hayes is being flogged continually and for several seasons
a not up to standard Tony Buckley was being persevered
with. It does show a lack of foresight that seems to be
continuing. It wouldn't be as bad if the results were
sufficient to say ok we're at least getting short term gain
but reality is when the big games have come along for last
2 seasons we've been found wanting.

By the way, Archer and Ryan have started just 2 games in
the last 2 years between them. The rest of their 9 games
have been off the bench. That's not actually being given a
chance to show what they can do. And realistically almost
every one of those 9 games came because of injuries not
through being given a chance. Even Hurley has started
just 12 games in 4 years - admittedly injury has prevented
him being available more often but I honestly can't say I
believe he'd have been selected had that not been the
case. Between the 3 of them they've got just 1 HEC
appearance from 7 (combined) years of being available for
the first team and that was because of injuries. That was 4
seasons ago, since then not even 5 minutes off the bench
for a group game. The reason why that can't be do

dropkick
2nd-September-2010, 17:31
I'd also be of the opinion that they're not giving young
players enough chances. Theres lots of fringe players in
the Munster squad who have to wait a year to get a few
games. Although you don't want to rush them the current
system is far too slow.

And waiting to play is also delaying the development of
players because its playing in high pressure games that
helps them learn quickly.

The sooner the IRFU sort out Connacht and put in place a
loan system the better. Their squad is stretched to the limit
while at the same time theres plenty of players who can't
get a game for other teams.

tickettout
2nd-September-2010, 19:53
Can't wait to see Felix Jones play, he could be a massive player for us this season.

Call999
2nd-September-2010, 20:16
Can't wait to see Felix Jones play, he could be a massive player for us this season.

Based on the preseason games and barring injury 'the bobcat' will be one of the stars of this year.... and POM will also be be in the frame ..... and Zebo will be ready for a big next year.smileys/biggrin.gif

Tobyglen
7th-December-2010, 23:33
I haven't seen McGahan look so comfortable in front of the camera as in recent times. When he first started he was a disaster media wise. It looks like he's getting more comfortable in the managers hotseat. I'm warming to him lately and he seems more in control of the team.

Check out the recent video on the deadsite

www.munsterugby.ie



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JoeyFantastic
8th-December-2010, 00:07
I haven't seen McGahan look so
comfortable in front of the camera as in recent times.
When he first started he was a disaster media wise. It
looks like he's getting more comfortable in the managers
hotseat. I'm warming to him lately and he seems more in
control of the team.




Think the next two months are the biggest in his time with
Munster. If we don't make it out of the group (which I still
think is a strong possibility) we'll have the usual array of
fifth columnists looking for his dismissal.

Part of his problems with the media is munster fans liked
the way Kidney treated us like morons, knocking out
platitudes and regularly allowing Munster be abysmal in the
league. McGahan's more abrasive style upset people who
liked being told reassuringly by Kidney "ah sure, we're
great altogether".

Charco
8th-December-2010, 00:35
Varley has the makings of a politician judging by that video.
Even uses the classic 'going forward' line.