Maul returns for Lions tour?

[colly23]

Article in an English paper today (Evening Standard) that the rule allowing the collapsing of the maul will be repealed on May 23rd and therefore the Lions tour will be played with the proper maul rules.


Is this correct?


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-2369156 (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23691562-details/Lions+given+the+green+light+to+maul+South+Africa/article.do) 2-details/Lions+given+the+green+light+to+maul+South+Africa/a rticle.do

[kermit]

Well, the approved ELVs become part of the Laws on the 23rd, so one has to presume that the onse that have not been approved are going to be repealed.


As the Lions tour starts after the 23rd it's played under the new rules, which includes allowing the collapsing of the maul.

[colly23]

Who do you think this will favour? I seem to recall SA having a powerful maul at the World Cup.

[Dirge]

Who do you think this will favour? I seem to recall SA having a powerful maul at the World Cup.i think it will favor the lions as they might be more willing to use it, will free up space for the backs to move.

It favors better rugby in the bigger picture

[Cabbage]

On or after May 23rd??

Just asking as there's a rather important game that day

[Point]

I thought the new laws were coming back in August after the Tri Nations ?

[colly23]

Point, I thought that too. Was surprised to read it was so soon. Affects the Lions Tour quite a bit I think!

[Point]

Point, I thought that too. Was surprised to read it was so soon. Affects the Lions Tour quite a bit I think!





I agree. Should help Fla/POC/DOC/Wally's chances of making the Test team, I would think.

[Blindsider.]

I think they will have to clarify this one - what does 'from May 23rd' mean EXACTLY? 00:01 on the 23rd or 00:01 on the 24th? I'm sure Cheika and Cockerill will be asking!

Straight from the IRB web-site: </span>
http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/mediazone/pressrelease/newsid=2 031276,printer.htmxThe
International Rugby Board Council today ratified recommendations made
by the IRB Rugby Committee and approved 10 of the 13 global
Experimental Law Variations (ELVs) for adoption into the Laws of the
Game. The recommendations were unanimously
approved and the integrated set of Laws will be implemented globally
from May 23 </span>or from the start of the next domestic season where
competitions transcend the implementation date. In
addition to the suite of global ELVs, three Union-specific ELVs were
also approved for integration into Law. These include the ability for a
Union to implement a maximum 15-minute half time in matches under its
jurisdiction. “One of the recommendations
of the ELV Conference held in London at the end of March was the
universal application of one set of Laws that govern the Game as soon
as possible after Council. This was recommended by stakeholders from
the international Game, including some of the world’s top Coaches,
Referees and Administrators,” said IRB Chairman Bernard Lapasset. “The
implementation date approved by the IRB Council achieves that goal and
represents the most suitable application date. All international
matches from May 23 onwards</span> will be captured, while domestic and
regional competitions played across the implementation date will be
played under the current ELVs until their conclusion,” added Lapasset. “Today’s
announcement brings to an end the extensive global ELV consultation and
evaluation process which began with the Conference on the Game in
Auckland in January 2004. The IRB would like to sincerely thank its
Member Unions for their participation in what has been an unprecedented
review of the Laws of the Game,” added Lapasset. The IRB’s Laws of the Game will be updated and available to view online in a range of languages at <s&#111;ng>www.irb.com</s&#111;ng> (http://www.irb.com/) from Thursday, May 15. <s&#111;ng>ELVs adopted into Law</s&#111;ng> The following ELVs are to be adopted into Law: Law 6 – Assistant Referees able to assist Referees in any way the Referee requires
Law
19 – If a team puts the ball back in their own 22 and the ball is
subsequently kicked directly into touch there is no gain in ground
Law 19 – A quick throw may be thrown in straight or towards the throwing team’s goal line
Law 19 – The receiver at the lineout must be two metres back away from the lineout
Law
19 – The player who is in opposition to the player throwing in the ball
must stand in the area between the five metre line and touch line and
must be two metres from the line of touch and at least two metres from
the lineout
Law 19 – Lineout players may pre-grip a jumper before the ball is thrown in
Law 19 – The lifting of lineout jumpers is permitted
Law 20 – Introduction of an offside line five metres behind the hindmost feet of the Scrum
Law 20 – Scrum half offside line at the Scrum
Law 20 – The corner posts are no longer considered to be touch in goal except when the ball is grounded against the post Union-specific ELVs approved by Council: Unions may implement rolling substitutions at defined levels of the Game A
Union having jurisdiction over a Game may implement a half time
interval of not more than 15 minutes, but not at international level A Union may implem

[colly23]

I think it would be unfair toget rid ofit for the HC final as the competition has been played all year with it. Whereas the Lions is a new competition and so the rule can be changed for the entirety.

[Upfront_1979]

"or from the start of the next domestic season where competitions transcend the implementation date. " this line seems to mean it will be from next season for competitions currently running i.e HEC final. Lions has not started yet though so not sure? ALso summer tour starts on the 23rd so it will probably be run with the old ELV's.

[Logorrhea.ie]

The laws will remain consistent until the end of the season I presume.

HEC final wont be affected and I'd be surprised if the Lions tour is as well, but what do i know.

[statto]

Stephen Jones- Sunday Times online


(not all about this topic but other interesting bits if true)


THE British and Irish Lions could be about to give key roles on tour in South Africa to three youngsters in their first season of international rugby.


The Sunday Times understands that the Lions have decided not to replace the injured Tom Shanklin and to tour with a party of 36 instead of 37 - letting loose for the outside-centre position the triumvirate of Leigh Halfpenny, who has played only 24 professional games, Keith Earls, with two caps, and Luke Fitzgerald. None of them is widely known in the world game.


The idea in increasing the original size of the party from 36 to 37 was to give cover in the event of Munster, with their large Lions contingent, reaching the Heineken Cup final. Now, with the powerful Shanklin out of the tour, the Lions will leave the party as it is. This is a big gamble and will also mean that with Brian O’Driscoll the only top-line outside-centre in the party, the illustrious Irishman could be wrapped in cotton wool for the whole tour, appearing sparingly, possibly as rarely as twice before the first Test.


The likely appeal by Alan Quinlan, the Irish flanker, against a 12-week ban for gouging is a major complication.


A Four Home Unions insider said: “It is hard to believe that Alan will go from a 12-week ban to no ban after his appeal.” The Lions must wait in hope. It is understood that Tom Croft, of Leicester, has been placed on stand-by pending the results of any appeal.


<S&#079;NG>The Lions were also surprised to hear from the International Rugby Board that they will not have to play under the experimental law variations. </S&#079;NG>


<S&#079;NG>The ill-fated ELV experiment is to continue till August even though only a tiny few of the measures have been accepted, but the experiments have been abandoned, and therefore the law allowing a team to collapse a maul disappears – as do other laws the Lions expected to be playing under. </S&#079;NG>


<S&#079;NG>The Lions chose their touring party believing that mauling would not be allowed and the Springboks now have the luxury of choosing their players in full knowledge that the goalposts have changed.</S&#079;NG>

[colly23]

From the article above:


"The Lions chose their touring party believing that mauling would not be allowed and the Springboks now have the luxury of choosing their players in full knowledge that the goalposts have changed."


Spurious argument IMO, what forwards would have been chosen differently had the rule change been known about? Lions have plenty of good mauling forwards</S&#079;NG>