Quarter Final Location?

[Billio]

I don't know if this has already been asked, so apologies if it has.



Assuming we get a home quarter final, which looks likely, is it going
to be played in the Millennium Stadium? And if we win that, are we
playing the semi-final there too, if we get a home draw?



Related: when are the bulldozers moving into Thomond Park? Lansdowne will be unavailable from Januray as far as I know.

[Old Dog]

I don't know if this has already been asked, so apologies if it has.

Assuming we get a home quarter final, which looks likely, is it going to be played in the Millennium Stadium? And if we win that, are we playing the semi-final there too, if we get a home draw?

Related: when are the bulldozers moving into Thomond Park? Lansdowne will be unavailable from Januray as far as I know.



I think Munster and Leinster have made a number of contingency plans - if, for example, eitherwere drawn against a Welsh side (both Scarlets and Ospreys may well qualify) , then Cardiff would not be used - for obvious reasons.


Also, if the 2 Irish Provinces are drawn against each other, thenI understand that the IRFU/EOS have decreed that, in the interest of national team morale heading into RWC 2007, Leinster are to be given a walk-over. http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/OldDog/whistle.gif

[toyman]

In Your Wildest OD. In your Wets.

[~Cat~]

I don't know if this has already been asked, so apologies if it has.

Assuming we get a home quarter final, which looks likely, is it going to be played in the Millennium Stadium? And if we win that, are we playing the semi-final there too, if we get a home draw?

Related: when are the bulldozers moving into Thomond Park? Lansdowne will be unavailable from Januray as far as I know.



I think Munster and Leinster have made a number of contingency plans - if, for example, eitherwere drawn against a Welsh side (both Scarlets and Ospreys may well qualify) , then Cardiff might not be used for obvious reasons.


Also, if they are drawn against each other, thenI understand that the IRFU/EOS have decreed that, in the interest of national team morale heading into RWC 2007, Leinster are to be given a walk-over.




That's where Leinster lie down and we walk over them again?

[wildRover]

The Munster branch should approachKerry county council about using Fitzgerald stadium as the GAA are only leasing it off them and don't actually own it.

[The Dave]

My understanding is the options being considered are:


Millenium Stadium _ firm favourite


Walker Stadium - near to East Midlands Airport


Madejski Stadium- near enough to Heathrow and Gatwick and possibly lots of ex-pats

[glorob]

My understanding is the options being considered are:


Millenium Stadium _ firm favourite


Walker Stadium - near to East Midlands Airport


Madejski Stadium- near enough to Heathrow and Gatwick and possibly lots of ex-pats





I heard a certain football ground in London is being seriously considered.

[paki]

My understanding is the options being considered are:


Millenium Stadium _ firm favourite


Walker Stadium - near to East Midlands Airport


Madejski Stadium- near enough to Heathrow and Gatwick and possibly lots of ex-pats








I heard a certain football ground in London is being seriously considered.





Can you reveal which one? Emirates stadium would be class!

[Paddy Whac]

I don't know if this has already been asked, so apologies if it has.

Assuming we get a home quarter final, which looks likely, is it going to be played in the Millennium Stadium? And if we win that, are we playing the semi-final there too, if we get a home draw?

Related: when are the bulldozers moving into Thomond Park? Lansdowne will be unavailable from Januray as far as I know.



I think Munster and Leinster have made a number of contingency plans - if, for example, eitherwere drawn against a Welsh side (both Scarlets and Ospreys may well qualify) , then Cardiff would not be used - for obvious reasons.


Also, if the 2 Irish Provinces are drawn against each other, thenI understand that the IRFU/EOS have decreed that, in the interest of national team morale heading into RWC 2007, Leinster are to be given a walk-over. http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/OldDog/whistle.gif





That's the only way Lenister will ever beat Munster in the HEC.

[munsterforever]

an absolute disgrace that no GAA stadium is even being considered

[JoeyFantastic]

an absolute disgrace that no GAA stadium is
even being considered


We've had this tedious debate several times, let's not re-live it.

[Old Dog]

I don't know if this has already been asked, so apologies if it has.

Assuming we get a home quarter final, which looks likely, is it going to be played in the Millennium Stadium? And if we win that, are we playing the semi-final there too, if we get a home draw?

Related: when are the bulldozers moving into Thomond Park? Lansdowne will be unavailable from Januray as far as I know.



I think Munster and Leinster have made a number of contingency plans - if, for example, eitherwere drawn against a Welsh side (both Scarlets and Ospreys may well qualify) , then Cardiff would not be used - for obvious reasons.


Also, if the 2 Irish Provinces are drawn against each other, thenI understand that the IRFU/EOS have decreed that, in the interest of national team morale heading into RWC 2007, Leinster are to be given a walk-over. http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/OldDog/whistle.gif





That's the only way Lenister will ever beat Munster in the HEC.








Who cares? I'd take it- it'd nearly make up for all the yearsof watching one-eyed, testosterone deficient refs handing Munster HEC wins on a plate in TP.

[glorob]

My understanding is the options being considered are:


Millenium Stadium _ firm favourite


Walker Stadium - near to East Midlands Airport


Madejski Stadium- near enough to Heathrow and Gatwick and possibly lots of ex-pats








I heard a certain football ground in London is being seriously considered.





Can you reveal which one? Emirates stadium would be class!





It (the stadium I was referring to) is not actually in London it is about 20 miles from the centre of London.


I think that it, like the Madejski, would be too small.

[The Dave]

an absolute disgrace that no GAA stadium is
even being considered


We've had this tedious debate several times, let's not re-live it.


How bout the London Gaa ground In Ruislip (sp?)

[munsterforever]

mad stad is way too small-id rather us play at windsor park than in england

[Clubman]

What happens if Lansdowne doesn't get the green light on the first count? Could it still be available?

[Old Dog]

I suspect that preliminary work on the demolition of LR will commence next week - otherwise, Leinster's home HEC game against Edinburgh on the 14th Jan would surely be played there.

[Billio]

Nobody knows for sure then. I suppose we'll find out when the quarter finalists are finalised.



Does anyone know when the bulldozers are moving into Thomond Park?

[JoeyFantastic]

Supposed to be knocking just after the Leicester game, if they get the
permission.

[Harry]

I've booked Cardiff alreadyjust in case. Mad we have to think of going outside of Ireland but I guess we're not in the 1/4's.....yet..

[wildRover]

I suspect that preliminary work on the demolition of LR will commence next week - otherwise, Leinster's home HEC game against Edinburgh on the 14th Jan would surely be played there.





OD, was there a demoltion application made seperate to the construction one?

[lahinch_lass]

does anyone know if any part of the planning applications for thomond and landowne have been granted yet ?


As for waiting until the quarterfinals are finalised .. that's just playing straight into the hands of the airlines and travel agents.

[lahinch_lass]

don't forget the tipp lads want the game in semple smileys/biggrin.gif


pity that idea was so late surfacing.

[epaddy]

LR is closed anyway, any change in that would f**k up the Croker
agreement. What about Fitzgerald Stadium in Kilarney I hear the GAA
dont own it

[McCloud]

LR is closed anyway, any change in that would f**k up the Croker agreement. What about Fitzgerald Stadium in Kilarney I hear the GAA dont own it smileys/lol.gif

[carmen_jones]

kerry GAA do own Fitzgerald Stadium alright, check out wikipedia or the East Kerry GAA website to confirm. Shame really because Killarney would be a class location, pubs so near etc. Great spot for a weekend as well.


They're really getting into their rugby down there as well, was down there at the fellas ranch for a few days. Signs in pubs in Killarney wanting to recruit for a new team. Granted Galwey, Moss Keane, Ciaran Fitzgerald, the Springs (yikes...kicking the ball back into your own 22 is not to be advised) and now O'Sullivan have come out of the Kingdom but it's a bit of an untapped resource IMO. Reckon that the Corca Dhuibhne team will be the new Connemara Blacks. Met Gaillimh with The Cup in Knocknagree (granted over the Cork border)too and there was a fine crowd out for Currow's favourite son!

[Jack Dempsey]

It's Cold Sweat time again if we're looking at Cardiff Airport. Why not Norn Iron?? Are we not all happy campers together now?

[munsterbouy]

My understanding is the options being considered are:


Millenium Stadium _ firm favourite


Walker Stadium - near to East Midlands Airport


Madejski Stadium- near enough to Heathrow and Gatwick and possibly lots of ex-pats





I heard a certain football ground in London is being seriously considered.





Would this be AG's current home??? it has a capacity of 20k where asthe Mad stad is 24k .

[Point]

It's Cold Sweat time again if we're looking at Cardiff Airport.


I'd much prefer a London venue for that very reason.

[glorob]

It's Cold Sweat time again if we're looking at Cardiff Airport.


I'd much prefer a London venue for that very reason.





I would as well but I think that wherever we go the ground should have a minimum capacity of 30,000.


It is bad enought that we will have to go abroad if we get a home Quarter Final, it would be unacceptable if we had to scrounge for tickets as well.

[munsterbouy]

I suppose if it a home advantage we get the majority of tickets anyway ???

[Sailor]

No idea. I'd prefer London. Easy to get there and accommodation not a problem.

[Point]

I suppose if it a home advantage we get the majority of tickets anyway ???


75-25 for a home QF.

[The Dave]

So does nobody want the Walker Stadium then?

[Point]

So does nobody want the Walker Stadium then?


Why make it so difficult for us to get to it ?

[munsterbouy]

I suppose if it a home advantage we get the majority of tickets anyway ???


75-25 for a home QF.





Not bad, and no doubt a lot of scavenging would take place as usualsmileys/evil.gif....smileys/wink.gif

[Sailor]

So does nobody want the Walker Stadium then?


Why make it so difficult for us to get to it ?





Exactly. Hopefully, ease of traveland accommodation will be a factor involved in the MBs selection of alternate ground.

[munsterbouy]

No idea. I'd prefer London. Easy to get there and accommodation not a problem.


Anywhere but Wales for me.Hopefully the mill stad will not be a contender

[Son of Blow In]

Folks - why are we saying this game has to take place in any other ground than Thomond Park ?????


We have staged numerous (3 ???) home quarters previously and in my understanding we ONLY have to move venue if we were to get a "home" semi - we moved last year for the Perpignan game due to IRFU/MB financial considerations.


Whilst I wasn't too enamoured with that decision it was understandable (and still in Ireland) however it is NOT accepatable to be considering staging a HOME quarter final in any palce other than Thomond Park (well maybe the Gaelic Grounds or Semple http://www.munsterfans.com//forum/smileys/lol.gif).


The relevant rule as quote on the ERC website is as follows -


1(b) Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final
(i) the Semi-Finals will be played at a venue designated by ERC, with the opponents
in each match determined by a draw conducted by ERC. The Final will be played
at a venue designated by ERC.
(ii) in the event of a tie at full-time in the Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final, extra
time of 20 minutes (10 minutes each way) will be played.
(iii) if the result is still unresolved the winner will be decided by the following criteria:
(a) the Club which has scored the most tries in that match, including extra time.
(b) place-kick competition to determine the winner.



I have already e-mailed the MB and rugby.ie sites to ask for their support on this issue and ask all of the members here to do the same as I blieve it would be typical of the IRFU to take advantage ofa perceived situation if it proved more financially advatageous for them.


THIS GAME NEEDS TO BE PLAYED IN IRELAND

[glorob]

Hopefully Thomond Park will not be available. If the builders are to vacate the ground for next seasons HEC, which will kick off in November they will need to start work once the Leicester game is over.

[Point]

No idea. I'd prefer London. Easy to get there and accommodation not a problem.


Anywhere but Wales for me.Hopefully the mill stad will not be a contender





Draw a non-welsh team and it will be a definite

[munsterbouy]

No idea. I'd prefer London. Easy to get there and accommodation not a problem.


Anywhere but Wales for me.Hopefully the mill stad will not be a contender





Draw a non-welsh team and it will be a definite





Bullocks , another long feckin drive for me thensmileys/lol.gif,Did I read somewhere that it could be Northhampton the way things are going???

[The Dave]

So does nobody want the Walker Stadium then?


Why make it so difficult for us to get to it ?





I was told, as I posted earlier, that it is near East Midlands Airport

[Skyhawk]

How many can the RDS hold?

[glorob]

How many can the RDS hold?








It does not really matter as it is unavailable.

[Point]

So does nobody want the Walker Stadium then?


Why make it so difficult for us to get to it ?





I was told, as I posted earlier, that it is near East Midlands Airport





Yes it still is smileys/wink.gif

[Munster15]

Find it crazy that some town or city in Munster would throw away the
opportunity to make 5 or 6 million euros.
It's wrong that these same people who stop other sports being
played in these grounds, will have the cheek to visit the local
business people for sponsorship, yet denying them a chance to make
a bit of profit from a big game in town.

[toomey]

Liverpool or Manchester makes most sense. Easy access, easy women, nice stadiums, nice women.....

[The Dave]

Liverpool or Manchester makes most sense. Easy access, easy women, nice stadiums, nice women.....


Too which is the easy access referringsmileys/wink.gif

[The Dave]

kerry GAA do own Fitzgerald Stadium alright, check out wikipedia or the East Kerry GAA website to confirm. Shame really because Killarney would be a class location, pubs so near etc. Great spot for a weekend as well.


They're really getting into their rugby down there as well, was down there at the fellas ranch for a few days. Signs in pubs in Killarney wanting to recruit for a new team. Granted Galwey, Moss Keane, Ciaran Fitzgerald, the Springs (yikes...kicking the ball back into your own 22 is not to be advised) and now O'Sullivan have come out of the Kingdom but it's a bit of an untapped resource IMO. Reckon that the Corca Dhuibhne team will be the new Connemara Blacks. Met Gaillimh with The Cup in Knocknagree (granted over the Cork border)too and there was a fine crowd out for Currow's favourite son!








Of course Galway played FC Groningen in 1986 (a program about this is on soon on TG4) winning 8-2 in the Gaeltacht area of Carraroe on a pitch mainly usedfor GAA

[FORWARD....]

I thoughtThomond Park would remain open during the renovations. Is it definitely out?

[dubnew]

if it is an attractive side the city of manchester would be an option (50k capacity)


probably more likely as a semifinal venue


otherwise my guess is crystal palace or reading giving about 18,000 munster tickets ie 75% of ground


cardiff while a long shot has theadvantage that Munster knows the stadium

[Paulie Walnuts]

They're really getting into their rugby down there as well, was down there at the fellas ranch for a few days. Signs in pubs in Killarney wanting to recruit for a new team. Granted Galwey, Moss Keane, Ciaran Fitzgerald, the Springs (yikes...kicking the ball back into your own 22 is not to be advised) and now O'Sullivan have come out of the Kingdom but it's a bit of an untapped resource IMO.








Ciaran Fitzgeraldis from Galway

[Point]

They're really getting into their rugby down there as well, was down there at the fellas ranch for a few days. Signs in pubs in Killarney wanting to recruit for a new team. Granted Galwey, Moss Keane, Ciaran Fitzgerald, the Springs (yikes...kicking the ball back into your own 22 is not to be advised) and now O'Sullivan have come out of the Kingdom but it's a bit of an untapped resource IMO.





Ciaran Fitzgeraldis from Galway





Low lie the fields of Ciaran Fitz.....

[carmen_jones]

whoops my mistake sorry!

I don't like this thread.

We've qualified for SFA yet and the remaning 2 games will be very tough.

[The Dave]

I don't like this thread.

We've qualified for SFA yet and the remaning 2 games will be very tough.



I know where you're coming from, but ffs Bourgoin have 0 points from 4 games

Can't be denied.

[wildRover]

you should know by now DG that we just love to pontificatesmileys/smile.gif

[fitzy73]

I had a conversation with a Leicester fan last week, which went thus


LF "So if you win against us, you'll be playing your QF in Croke Park, right?"


Me "Er, well actually, no"


LF "But I thought the GAA had opened CroKe Park for rugby games"


Me ""Only for international games, I'm afraid".


LF "So presumably the rugby guys in Ireland did a deal to use the other GAA grounds or a soccer ground? I mean you ALWAYS have at leastone team in the QF's"


ME "Er, no"


LF "So you are telling me that there is no ground I Ireland that can or will hold a home QF if you beat us??!! And the same goes for Leinster??!!"


ME "Er, yes".


Lots of mumbling on my behalf, and I can still hear the riotous laughter of the said Leicester fan as he walked away shaking his head!

[munsterbouy]

Well Fitzy he won't be the first or last person to laugh at us about this situation.

[munsterforever]

I had a conversation with a Leicester fan last week, which went thus


LF "So if you win against us, you'll be playing your QF in Croke Park, right?"


Me "Er, well actually, no"


LF "But I thought the GAA had opened CroKe Park for rugby games"


Me ""Only for international games, I'm afraid".


LF "So presumably the rugby guys in Ireland did a deal to use the other GAA grounds or a soccer ground? I mean you ALWAYS have at leastone team in the QF's"


ME "Er, no"


LF "So you are telling me that there is no ground I Ireland that can or will hold a home QF if you beat us??!! And the same goes for Leinster??!!"


ME "Er, yes".


Lots of mumbling on my behalf, and I can still hear the riotous laughter of the said Leicester fan as he walked away shaking his head!




you should have asked him if we can play at welford road as its the only way a quarter will be held in leicester this year and the only way a good atmosphere will be had at that stadiumsmileys/wink.gif

[rathbaner]

Did any one mention the GAA Killarney thing yet? If not can I just
say....

What about the gaelic pitch in Killarney? It's not owned by the GAA, I
think it's owned by a consortium of russian developers who would give
their eyeteeth for a home Quarter Final in the Heineken Cup.

Has anyone mentioned the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick??. There's never
anyone in there. All the good Limerick Hurling games are held in
Thurles anyway. Couldn't we just rob the keys and kind of keep it a bit
quiet, like.....

[munsterbouy]

Did any one mention the GAA Killarney thing yet? If not can I just
say....

What about the gaelic pitch in Killarney? It's not owned by the GAA, I
think it's owned by a consortium of russian developers who would give
their eyeteeth for a home Quarter Final in the Heineken Cup.

Has anyone mentioned the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick??. There's never
anyone in there. All the good Limerick Hurling games are held in
Thurles anyway. Couldn't we just rob the keys and kind of keep it a bit
quiet, like.....


You are dead right !!why has'nt this been brought up before???




















smileys/surprised.gifsmileys/biggrin.gif

[neiljung]

Has anyone mentioned the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick??. There's never
anyone in there. All the good Limerick Hurling games are held in
Thurles anyway. Couldn't we just rob the keys and kind of keep it a bit
quiet, like.....

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Yeah you could try what they did in Casement Park, Belfast for thathunger strikecommemeration. Central council expresslyforbid the stadium from being used for such an event (threatened withdrawl of funding and such) but the local county board went ahead anyway saying they couldn't stop all these people just turning up. We could try the same excuse just with bigger numbers.

[Red in the Pale]

Has anyone mentioned the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick??. There's never
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[scotscor]

Has anyone mentioned the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick??. There's never
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Yeah you could try what they did in Casement Park, Belfast for
thathunger strikecommemeration. Central council
expresslyforbid the stadium from being used for such an event
(threatened withdrawl of funding and such) but the local county board
went ahead anyway saying they couldn't stop all these people just
turning up. We could try the same excuse just with bigger numbers.

excellent idea nj. hmmm, we could send Leinster to Casement Park while we take over cp for the day.



Actually I think there will be a double header in croke Park for the semis.

Croke Park could be used, while every other GAA ground definitely is out.

[davisc]

Getting home draws and not being able to play them even on the island would be a disgrace.

I think the GAA will be under a *lot* of pressure to give use of their stadiums. It could be a PR nightmare for them - forcing Irish supporters of a game to go and spend their money in England. Kinda defeats the aims of the GAA. Also, the enticement of €1 mill a game in CP might be enough to convert them.

Granted we haven't qualified for SFA yet but if we leave it until the pool stages are finished, we have no chance of lobbying anyone to let us use their ground.

[Bitter As A Lemon]

The only way that Munster will be playing thier Quarter Final, IF they even shagging get there, is if they draw Leinster in it. Otherwise, forget it.


No decision will be made until the quarter finalists are known.


If Munster draw a Welsh team, then the game will be on in England, and vice versa with an English team.

[Babs (was bthequin)]

If we played at Twickenham HQ I could put about 30 up.......so that'd be the squad sorted!!smileys/lol.gif

[Point]

smileys/smiley37.gif

[Bitter As A Lemon]

Exactly how I felt reading through half the thread !!!





OH...BTW, did anybody think of Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney...I'm sure its not ownd by the GAA.....smileys/shock.gif

[Point]

Exactly how I felt reading through half the thread !!!





OH...BTW, did anybody think of Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney...I'm sure its not ownd by the GAA.....smileys/shock.gif





Grrr smileys/mad.gif

[Bitter As A Lemon]

I would hazard a guess at the following



Walkers
Madjetski
Vicarage Rd

[Drahcir]

its stupid, when theres a stadium in LIMERICK that can holdjust under 50000and munster cant play there should they get a home quarter final. the gaa is made up of bitter old men that won't let rugby, which to be honest is probablymore a limerick sport thanenglish, into their stadiums as the comment above says they're basically cutting off their nose to spite their face. theyll turn down a serious amount of money and allow munster fans to go to england rather than save them the hassle and earn money........i think its time for the gaa officials to retire they've gone a bit senile

[Bitter As A Lemon]

Bring it up with your local councillor, it will probably get the same result as talkin to the GAA about it.

[Irish Princess]

I think Munster and Leinster have made a number of contingency plans
- if, for example, eitherwere drawn against a Welsh side (both
Scarlets and Ospreys may well qualify) , then Cardiff would not be used
- for obvious reasons.


. smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif





Hmmm, I thought according to you lot Munster had the best fans when it came to travelling??!

[~Cat~]

I think Munster and Leinster have made a number of contingency plans
- if, for example, eitherwere drawn against a Welsh side (both
Scarlets and Ospreys may well qualify) , then Cardiff would not be used
- for obvious reasons.


. smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif





Hmmm, I thought according to you lot Munster had the best fans when it came to travelling??!

smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif More about not playing a Welsh side @@@@SPAN style="font-style: italic;">in Wales@@@@/SPAN>, I think.

[Old Dog]

Bring it up with your local councillor, it will probably get the same result as talkin to the GAA about it.





Or write to Joe Duffy!

[The Dave]

Bring it up with your local councillor, it will probably get the same result as talkin to the GAA about it.





Or write to Joe Duffy!





Wow I can foretell how that would go, well on Joe's behaslf anyway


Joe: uh huh, ya go on, uh huh, right, go way, really, etc, etc...

[Old Dog]

Bring it up with your local councillor, it will probably get the same result as talkin to the GAA about it.





Or write to Joe Duffy!





Wow I can foretell how that would go, well on Joe's behaslf anyway


Joe: uh huh, ya go on, uh huh, right, go way, really, etc, etc...





Followed by that dreadful high-pitched squeaky giggle that makes me want to castrate him with a blunt garden shears. smileys/evil.gif

[CCHA]

Bring it up with your local councillor, it will probably get the same result as talkin to the GAA about it.








Who asked the GAA to play a quarter or semi at the Gaelic Grounds?

[scotscor]

CCHA, do you think that there is no way that Central Council could open
up CP for a qf (even one between munster and leinster or a double
header)?

[toyman]

Can a Mod fix this thread. I've been quoted twice above, by Irish Princess &amp; by ~Cat~, but if you look at 2nd post Old Dog made the comment attributted to me.

[CCHA]

CCHA, do you think that there is no way that Central Council could open up CP for a qf (even one between munster and leinster or a double header)?


Everyone should read this link, it is theGAA reporting on the congress vote and debate. It would better inform biased posters.


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The key piece is .... Sligo's motion urged that Central Council be "given the power to authorise the renting or leasing of Croke Park for events other than those controlled by the Association, during a period when Lansdowne Football Grounds is closed for the proposed development."


And for more detail, page13 on the PDF file at


http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_reports/2005_ar_part4.pdf



I still do not see any mention of international ... so to repeat the question .. .has the IRFU asked the GAA?

[Bitter As A Lemon]

Bring it up with your local councillor, it will probably get the same result as talkin to the GAA about it.








Who asked the GAA to play a quarter or semi at the Gaelic Grounds?








Tell me the point ?!?!?

[Bitter As A Lemon]

CCHA, do you think that there is no way that Central
Council could open up CP for a qf (even one between munster and
leinster or a double header)?





Unless they are drawn together in the quarter's or semi's there is no way....trust me.

[toyman]

Thanks Mods.

[scotscor]

CCHA, do you think that there is no way that Central
Council could open up CP for a qf (even one between munster and
leinster or a double header)?





Unless they are drawn together in the quarter's or semi's there is no way....trust me.











Would have thought if they could get agreement from sky that a double header on the Saturday would have been possible

[Old Dog]

Thanks Mods.


The only sensible thing that you've ever said on this site - and you want me to have all the credit! smileys/biggrin.gif

[Bitter As A Lemon]

CCHA, do you think that there is no way that Central Council could open up CP for a qf (even one between munster and leinster or a double header)?





Unless they are drawn together in the quarter's or semi's there is no way....trust me.









Would have thought if they could get agreement from sky that a double header on the Saturday would have been possible






They don't even want the Irish Rugby team playing in Croker's, what makes you thin kthat they will leave a Provincial team into any of their stadiums !!!

[Old Dog]

It would begood if the Todgers qualified for a home QF too! Imagine the fury of the Ulster Council if they looked for Croker! smileys/biggrin.gif

[FORWARD....]

Is Thomond Park definitely unplayable for the qf? Does anyone know? Why are the contingency plans kept secret?


I'd prefer to have this years qf there (fingers crossed and not wishing to provoke the rugby gods etc). It makes economical sense to have a qf there and if the ground isn't ready for next year's HC, well play the first pool match in Musgrave.

[toyman]

Yep OD. &amp; you can keep the throwaway comment you made in the next paragraph of your orig. post too.

[Point]

It would begood if the Todgers qualified for a home QF too! smileys/biggrin.gif





There's a better chance of a rich man getting through the Eye of a Needle, OD smileys/wink.gif

[scotscor]

I dont really think they are as bigoted as you do.

My understanding is that Central Council can pretty much meet at a
weeks notice. That Croke Park has been opened by Congress subject to
permission from Central Council. That the IRFU actually get on quite
well with the GAA.

My theory goes that if a formal application is made by the IRFU to the
GAA, that it will have to be considered and not refused out of
hand. If it is considered then there is the very real possibility
that it could be opened up. Very real being about 15-20% possible.



Incidentally:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=95& amp;si=1740291&amp;issue_id=14996



A DECISION on international rugby and soccer matches beyond 2007
will be taken at a Central Council meeting on February 17.



As the oral hearing into the planning permission granted to redevelop
Lansdowne Road continues the GAA revealed yesterday that it will be
that mid February meeting before they decide if they will sign up to
another year of international rugby and soccer matches in Croke Park.



Under the terms of the motion passed at Congress 2005 the GAA has
agreed to empower Central Council with the decision on whether the
stadium available for the duration of the Lansdowne Road redevelopment.



But if that redevelopment runs into trouble during the appeal process
then the February meeting of the GAA's ruling body could technically
decide not to grant access.



It was the December meeting of Central Council 2005 that decided to
enter talks with the FAI and IRFU about 2007 games and decisions were
finalised in January 2006 after a series of meetings.



But the GAA are clearly allowing more time to make sure that
redevelopment of Lansdowne Road is up and running before they agree
terms for a second year of hosting international games.



The news comes amid apparent tensions developing between the GAA and
the FAI over access to the stadium prior to their opening match against
Wales in March.



GAA president Nickey Brennan said yesterday that the decision taken to
deny the Irish soccer team access on February 5 "wasn't anything
sinister."



@@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">In contrast the IRFU have been granted
permission to have the Irish rugby team train at Croke Park for two
sessions in January and two more session in advance of the landmark
French game.@@@@/SPAN>



"There has been at bit of play on the fact that the FAI were turned
down on February 5. That was purely practical, there was nothing
sinister," explained the president.



"We have the Tyrone game on February 3 and the following week there are
the preparations for the first rugby international. It means we have to
take down the GAA goalposts, put up the rugby goalposts, the pitch has
to be marked and signage has to be brought in so there is a fair bit of
logistical work to take place. It wasn't practical (soccer team
training).



"We will hopefully get a formal request from the FAI in the same way
that we got one from the IRFU detailing their requirements in the weeks
of the games. We would understand that they would need access prior to
that," added Brennan.



"That (the initial request) was the only written request for February
5. You can't have people training while we're getting ready for another
match that weekend taking down goalposts and things like that. These
things take a fair bit of time. It is just too impractical.



"They will be in before their own matches. There won't be any problem with that."

[Old Dog]

Yep OD. &amp; you can keep the throwaway comment you made in the next paragraph of your orig. post too.





You might be very glad to have that ready made excuse to hide behind the next time that Munster come up against the men of Leinster in the HEC, my lad.

[toyman]

I won't need to hide behind anything OD. If we do meet the Leinster crew again on the road to the Final, we'll deal with them then. And on the day, the best team will win, and that's sport.

[CCHA]

Everyone should read this link, it is theGAA reporting on the congress vote and debate. It would better inform biased posters.


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The key piece is .... Sligo's motion urged that Central Council be "given the power to authorise the renting or leasing of Croke Park for events other than those controlled by the Association, during a period when Lansdowne Football Grounds is closed for the proposed development."


And for more detail, page13 on the PDF file at


http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_reports/2005_ar_part4.pdf



I still do not see any mention of international ... so to repeat the question .. .has the IRFU asked the GAA?

[FORWARD....]

Excellent CCHA. At last, some positive possibilities


And I see that on the GAA website there are no events planned for Croke Park for the qf weekend. It'll be a few days after the Slovakia game.

[scotscor]

Everyone should read this link, it is theGAA
reporting on the congress vote and debate. It would better inform
biased posters.


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The key piece is .... Sligo's motion urged
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leasing of Croke Park for events other than those controlled by the
Association, during a period when Lansdowne Football Grounds is closed
for the proposed development."</font>


And for more detail, page13 on the PDF file at


http://www.gaa.ie/files/official_reports/2005_ar_part4.pdf



I still do not see any mention of international ... so to repeat the question .. .has the IRFU asked the GAA?

My understanding is that the central council (I think the meeting was
Dec 10 2005) subsequently said that they would allow rugby and soccer
in for internationals.

[Old Dog]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".

Antrim secretary Sean McMahon reiterated the core anti-change argument when pointing out that Croke Park was "built by the work of this Association - built by it and for it".

"Other associations had ample time, ample ability and if they so wished ample desire to improve their facilities," he continued, before rejecting Donnelly's call to repay the Government's generousity.

"There is talk about generosity of Government, but... governments are not generous. It was not Bertie's money, or as it was then Charlie's money. The money that comes back into our Association is money raised by members of the Association, money that is paid by direct taxes and indirect taxes. I'm sure that in the last 125 years we have put a lot more than Eur40 million into this country.

"We are by no means opposed to other games. We welcome and we support the playing of sport, wherever it is, because sport is a great leveller in this country. But we do feel we are on a slippery slope. Croke Park today, but could it be Semple Stadium next week? Will somebody want Pairc Ui Chaoimh the week after? Clones? Casement? That is not the way we should be going."



That's the stuff that annoys me CCHA - the dog in the manger mindset that stinks to high heavens.

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[scotscor]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on
the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were
voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and
stands for nothing".

Antrim secretary Sean McMahon reiterated
the core anti-change argument when pointing out that Croke Park was
"built by the work of this Association - built by it and for it".

"Other
associations had ample time, ample ability and if they so wished ample
desire to improve their facilities," he continued, before rejecting
Donnelly's call to repay the Government's generousity.

"There
is talk about generosity of Government, but... governments are not
generous. It was not Bertie's money, or as it was then Charlie's money.
The money that comes back into our Association is money raised by
members of the Association, money that is paid by direct taxes and
indirect taxes. I'm sure that in the last 125 years we have put a lot
more than Eur40 million into this country.

"We are by no means
opposed to other games. We welcome and we support the playing of sport,
wherever it is, because sport is a great leveller in this country. But
we do feel we are on a slippery slope. Croke Park today, but could it
be Semple Stadium next week? Will somebody want Pairc Ui Chaoimh the
week after? Clones? Casement? That is not the way we should be going."



That's the stuff that annoys me CCHA - the dog in the manger mindset that stinks to high heavens.







But OD, the dinosaurs were outvoted, what annoys me is the crowd who are given a lot and dont even mumble thanks.

[CCHA]

There are a few other arguments;


For


- 4 FAI home games planned this year, only 2 rugby, yet the IRFU appears to be much closer to the GAA. This puzzles me.


-last years 1/4 was played in Dublin, supporters cannot argue against going to Dublin again this year


- GAA insist game is played on Saturday only


-


against


- a home semi would not work. The GAA has first call on stadium use. The NFL final and the colleges finals are scheduled for 21/22 April and both are likely to be played at Croker this year.


- 2 home quarters; what if Leinster also qualify for a homer (to lose it again)?


- will the IRFU request 3 home Autumn games in November 2008? added to 3 home 6 nations gives 6 games. There is said to be a limit on the events per year at Croker; the GAA will not move its own high-profile championship games to facilitate rugby and soccer further.

[Old Dog]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.

[Bitter As A Lemon]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".

Antrim secretary Sean McMahon reiterated the core anti-change argument when pointing out that Croke Park was "built by the work of this Association - built by it and for it".

"Other associations had ample time, ample ability and if they so wished ample desire to improve their facilities," he continued, before rejecting Donnelly's call to repay the Government's generousity.

"There is talk about generosity of Government, but... governments are not generous. It was not Bertie's money, or as it was then Charlie's money. The money that comes back into our Association is money raised by members of the Association, money that is paid by direct taxes and indirect taxes. I'm sure that in the last 125 years we have put a lot more than Eur40 million into this country.

"We are by no means opposed to other games. We welcome and we support the playing of sport, wherever it is, because sport is a great leveller in this country. But we do feel we are on a slippery slope. Croke Park today, but could it be Semple Stadium next week? Will somebody want Pairc Ui Chaoimh the week after? Clones? Casement? That is not the way we should be going."



That's the stuff that annoys me CCHA - the dog in the manger mindset that stinks to high heavens.









But OD, the dinosaurs were outvoted, what annoys me is the crowd who are given a lot and dont even mumble thanks.






I'll say thanx when they don't place restrictions on the stadium.

[Point]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.

[scotscor]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you
describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that
it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.

And the receiving was done with no grace whatsoever.



The trouble about the GAA is that they are a democratic organisation.
As such you have a Dinosaur element step forward Frank and the Nordies.
And you have a liberal wing - Sligo, Roscommon and Wicklow and you have
a whole heap in between who hear both sides, and also hear what the
media say and what teh IRFU and FAI say.

Of course teh dinosaurs were going to be bitter, what do you expect from them?



But now, because of the pettiness of many concerned the middle ground
of the GAA has shifted away from any more concilliation. I'm not sure I
blame them.

[CCHA]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.

[Point]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for that metaphorical BJ for doing so.

[Old Dog]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.



And the receiving was done with no grace whatsoever.

The trouble about the GAA is that they are a democratic organisation. As such you have a Dinosaur element step forward Frank and the Nordies. And you have a liberal wing - Sligo, Roscommon and Wicklow and you have a whole heap in between who hear both sides, and also hear what the media say and what teh IRFU and FAI say.
Of course teh dinosaurs were going to be bitter, what do you expect from them?

But now, because of the pettiness of many concerned the middle ground of the GAA has shifted away from any more concilliation. I'm not sure I blame them.



Are you able to backup that assertion with any evidenceor is it just a poor attempt at mudslinging?


Whatdid the IRFU or FAI saythat was graceless? Who said it and when?

[Point]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.





No I didn't, primarily because I would hardly ever see him there (he employs mostly minimum wage types) but as with Denis Conroy (when he was alive), I doubt there would be much point challenging him.

[scotscor]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you
describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that
it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will
get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for
that metaphorical BJ for doing so.




They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.



However, what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact
they wont be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the
country for free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if
you are having a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you
can have Croke Park we will postpone the all ireland final.



Have you any sense of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides
complaining what have the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA.
Absolutely nothing except complain at every chance.

[CCHA]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.





No I didn't, primarily because I would hardly ever see him there (he employs mostly minimum wage types) but as with Denis Conroy (when he was alive), I doubt there would be much point challenging him.





Of course it is easier to sling mud on an internet forum than actually go and act. I went to my local GAA club meeting, spoke and voted on this issue, who else here did anything but talk about it anonymously?

[Old Dog]

What mud is being slung, CCHA? Where? By whom?


I'm still awaiting Scotscor's evidence, incidentally.

[Bitter As A Lemon]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for that metaphorical BJ for doing so.






They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.

However, what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke Park we will postpone the all ireland final.

Have you any sense of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides complaining what have the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except complain at every chance.






They used the Nations money to build what is a fantastic stadium.....they have now opened it thanx to National pressure, but have probably given the IRFU a list of conditions as long as me arm.


As OD has said, the goodness was taken out of it then.

[Bitter As A Lemon]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.





No I didn't, primarily because I would hardly ever see him there (he employs mostly minimum wage types) but as with Denis Conroy (when he was alive), I doubt there would be much point challenging him.





Of course it is easier to sling mud on an internet forum than actually go and act. I went to my local GAA club meeting, spoke and voted on this issue, who else here did anything but talk about it anonymously?








I did...

[scotscor]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you
describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that
it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.



And the receiving was done with no grace whatsoever.

The
trouble about the GAA is that they are a democratic organisation. As
such you have a Dinosaur element step forward Frank and the Nordies.
And you have a liberal wing - Sligo, Roscommon and Wicklow and you have
a whole heap in between who hear both sides, and also hear what the
media say and what teh IRFU and FAI say.
Of course teh dinosaurs were going to be bitter, what do you expect from them?

But
now, because of the pettiness of many concerned the middle ground of
the GAA has shifted away from any more concilliation. I'm not sure I
blame them.



Are you able to backup that assertion with any evidenceor is it just a poor attempt at mudslinging?


Whatdid the IRFU or FAI saythat was graceless? Who said it and when?

Fine, I'll go and get quotes, if in the meantime you could find me quotes that arent from teh Dinosaur side of the GAA.

Or is it the fact that they negotiated a rate that means that they will
get a qtr of gate receipts from the games that pisses people off.

[scotscor]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you
describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that
it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will
get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for
that metaphorical BJ for doing so.






They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.

However,
what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont
be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for
free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having
a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke
Park we will postpone the all ireland final.

Have you any sense
of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides complaining what have
the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except
complain at every chance.






They used the Nations money to build what is a fantastic
stadium.....they have now opened it thanx to National pressure, but
have @@@@SPAN style="text-decorati&#111;n: underline; font-weight: bold;">probably @@@@/SPAN>given the IRFU a list of conditions as long as me arm.
As OD has said, the goodness was taken out of it then.

Amazing, you suppose that they have put in conditions and thats why
goodness was taken out. Could you just take something on face value

[Jerry's Army]

I'm with you - the bottom line is that the FAI continue to redefine the word "incompetent", while the best that can be said about the IRFU is that they sat around waiting for someone else to do something for a long number of years ..... look at every other 6 Nations stadium .....


On the other hand - the GAA have delivered one of the top stadiums in Europe, and now everyone wants a feww ride.





Its very interesting to watch how the IRFU and the FAI are dealing with the GAA. IRFU are playing a sound, longterm relationship game, while Delaney's Buffoons swagger around North Dublin as if they own the place ....... it'll end in tears.

[Old Dog]

And who here has supported the FAI? Ever?

[Bitter As A Lemon]

To be honest I have no sympathy for theFAI at all, and I couldn't give too s**ts about their use of Croke Park.

[Point]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.





No I didn't, primarily because I would hardly ever see him there (he employs mostly minimum wage types) but as with Denis Conroy (when he was alive), I doubt there would be much point challenging him.





Of course it is easier to sling mud on an internet forum than actually go and act. I went to my local GAA club meeting, spoke and voted on this issue, who else here did anything but talk about it anonymously?





As I would have done if I was a member of a GAA club (not that I would EVER join a GAA club). I made my own protest in my own way, and am glad to have done so. In anycase what mud has been slung wrt Murphy ? He said what he said, and I made my protest.

[Bitter As A Lemon]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for that metaphorical BJ for doing so.






They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.

However, what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke Park we will postpone the all ireland final.

Have you any sense of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides complaining what have the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except complain at every chance.






They used the Nations money to build what is a fantastic stadium.....they have now opened it thanx to National pressure, but have @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; TEXT-DECORATI&#079;N: underline">probably @@@@/SPAN>given the IRFU a list of conditions as long as me arm.
As OD has said, the goodness was taken out of it then.



Amazing, you suppose that they have put in conditions and thats why goodness was taken out. Could you just take something on face value






This is fun, you asking me to take something on face value !!!
Of course they have a list of conditions made.
The IRFU are tip-toeing around the GAA, at the moment i order to enure that the whole deal, will go through to the end, why do you think both Munster &amp; Leinster are looking across the water for Knock-out venues ?!!?

[Jerry's Army]

And who here has supported the FAI? Ever?








......... mmmmmmm --- I went to a Limerick v Home Farm match at the Market's field in 1980 .... does that count?

[Old Dog]

Scotscor your memory is shot to bits - you must be drinking muchtoo much champagne these days. smileys/shock.gif


I have alwayssupported the idea of the GAA taking as large a cut as possiblefrom the Croke Park rental income - I have no problem with that - never had. To me the whole deal is a simple matter of economics and I refuse to be sidetracked by any sideshows.

[scotscor]

I'm really curious what conditions you think there may be.

They have said you can have 4 training sessions there between January and February, which seems pretty generous to me.

[Old Dog]

Where's that evidence of mudslinging, CCHA and Scotscor. Put up or shut up.

[Chief]

I did too CCHA and I shared the majority view at the time. This constant moaning about the GAA and their moral obligation to facilitate other sports is getting a bit much at this stage though. I console myself with the knowledge that the b***hers-in-chief on this issue are usually the same b***hers-in-chief on most issues of the day.

[scotscor]

Scotscor your memory is shot to bits - you must be drinking muchtoo much champagne these days. smileys/shock.gif


I have alwayssupported the idea of the GAA taking as large a
cut as possiblefrom the Croke Park rental income - I have no
problem with that - never had. To me the whole
deal is a simple matter of economics and I refuse to be sidetracked by
any sideshows.

OD, you may have missed Point referring to the proverbial BJ. Many here have slated the amount of money that the GAA asked for.

Did you find any comments from the non dinosaur brigade yet?

[Old Dog]

This constant moaning about the GAA and their moral obligation to facilitate other sports is getting a bit much at this stage though.








Where? Link please?

[Bitter As A Lemon]

Tell me SS....why the PRO GAA Stance on this one?

[Point]

They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.


They could arguably make as much, if not more,money by holding their matches in Twickenham.


However, what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke Park we will postpone the all ireland final.


Scots, we haven't had a barney in a long time, but that paragraph is the biggest load of horses**t I have ever seen you come out with. It is a lie and a complete misrepresentation. Indeed, it betrays an uncomfortable siege mentality of your part.


Who are the many ? I hope you are not including me, because it wouldn't be the case.


Have you any sense of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides complaining what have the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except complain at every chance.



I have a fine sense of compromise, ta very much, which will be helped all the more when people stop airbrushing the Sporting and Cultural apartheid out of the "what have the GAA ever done to the FAI and the IRFU" sketch.

[scotscor]

Just for you od, Brehany comes close here:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=95& amp;si=1740284&amp;issue_id=14996

[CCHA]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.





No I didn't, primarily because I would hardly ever see him there (he employs mostly minimum wage types) but as with Denis Conroy (when he was alive), I doubt there would be much point challenging him.





Of course it is easier to sling mud on an internet forum than actually go and act. I went to my local GAA club meeting, spoke and voted on this issue, who else here did anything but talk about it anonymously?





As I would have done if I was a member of a GAA club (not that I would EVER join a GAA club). I made my own protest in my own way, and am glad to have done so. In anycase what mud has been slung wrt Murphy ? He said what he said, and I made my protest.





Does that mean no pints before the Cork-Limerick game on Sat 7th April?

[Point]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for that metaphorical BJ for doing so.






They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.

However, what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke Park we will postpone the all ireland final.

Have you any sense of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides complaining what have the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except complain at every chance.






They used the Nations money to build what is a fantastic stadium.....they have now opened it thanx to National pressure, but have @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; TEXT-DECORATI&#079;N: underline">probably @@@@/SPAN>given the IRFU a list of conditions as long as me arm.
As OD has said, the goodness was taken out of it then.



Amazing, you suppose that they have put in conditions and thats why goodness was taken out. Could you just take something on face value






This is fun, you asking me to take something on face value !!!
Of course they have a list of conditions made.
The IRFU are tip-toeing around the GAA, at the moment i order to enure that the whole deal, will go through to the end, why do you think both Munster &amp; Leinster are looking across the water for Knock-out venues ?!!?





Actually Bitter you've put your finger on the biggest condition of the lot !


i.e. Congress voted through for CP to open to Soccer and Rugby while LR was closed, and did not mention internationals or otherwise. It was Central Council of the GAA subsequently added that the condition that it would only be available for Internationals. It didn't have to but it did.

[scotscor]

Tell me SS....why the PRO GAA Stance on this one?

I'm usually quite pro GAA. I go to maybe 10 or 12 games (almost all
hurling) a year, and while I was delighted that they opened up CP, I
feel that too many think that it should be an automatic right to play
in any GAA ground.

Strangely those people who shout for CP to be opened up seem to be the
same people who believe that Shamrock rovers ground definitely
shouldnt. (Including the minister for fun). This despite Shams getting
a whole heap more money proportionally from the government for their
ground

The funny thing is that the GAA has so many members (is it the guts of
500k?) all of whom could propose a motion at congress. Its not just
Frank Murphy.

[Point]

OD, you may have missed Point referring to the proverbial BJ.



I don't know what your nearest and dearest may have told you but proverbial OR metaphorical do not equate to ACTUAL ! smileys/lol.gif

[scotscor]

As I wrote repeatedly at the time, Scots, the "giving" as you
describe it, although very welcome, was done with such poor grace that
it took a lotof the good out of the gesture.





Precisely so, OD. They've been effectively bribed to open CP, will
get a small fortune for each game on top of that, yet are looking for
that metaphorical BJ for doing so.






They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.

However,
what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont
be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for
free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having
a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke
Park we will postpone the all ireland final.

Have you any sense
of compromise at all? Out of curiousity besides complaining what have
the FAI and the IRFU ever done for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except
complain at every chance.






They used the Nations money to build what is a fantastic
stadium.....they have now opened it thanx to National pressure, but
have @@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold; text-decorati&#111;n: underline;">probably @@@@/SPAN>given the IRFU a list of conditions as long as me arm.
As OD has said, the goodness was taken out of it then.



Amazing, you suppose that they have put in conditions
and thats why goodness was taken out. Could you just take something on
face value






This is fun, you asking me to take something on face value !!!
Of course they have a list of conditions made.
The
IRFU are tip-toeing around the GAA, at the moment i order to enure that
the whole deal, will go through to the end, why do you think both
Munster &amp; Leinster are looking across the water for Knock-out
venues ?!!?





Actually Bitter you've put your finger on the biggest condition of the lot !


i.e. Congress voted through for CP to open to Soccer and Rugby while
LR was closed, and did not mention internationals or otherwise. It was
Central Council of the GAA subsequently added that the condition that
it would only be available for Internationals. It didn't have to but it
did.

Which is something that Central council can rescind as well.
Incidentally why they put it in (I understand) was the number of
matches that they are permitted to play in CP in a year. 6 games this
year and maybe 8 next year (autumn internationals included). These will
have to come out of the total which CP is allowed to hold

[Bitter As A Lemon]

Tell me SS....why the PRO GAA Stance on this one?
I'm usually quite pro GAA. I go to maybe 10 or 12 games (almost all hurling) a year, and while I was delighted that they opened up CP, I feel that too many think that it should be an automatic right to play in any GAA ground.
Strangely those people who shout for CP to be opened up seem to be the same people who believe that Shamrock rovers ground definitely shouldnt. (Including the minister for fun). This despite Shams getting a whole heap more money proportionally from the government for their ground
The funny thing is that the GAA has so many members (is it the guts of 500k?) all of whom could propose a motion at congress. Its not just Frank Murphy.








I for one don't feel that everyone should have the divine right to play in ANY GAA ground around the country....if the GAA were true to what they stood for, then they would offer an IRISH team the use of A venue for 3 hrs in this country rather than having to go to a FOREIGN Country to spend the Queens Pound.


I think there is a difference, and you should seperate them on your argurment.
Anyway it is a pointless arguement, fun, but pointless, as the GAA will not open unless its an all Irish tie.

[Old Dog]

I feel that too many think that it should be an automatic right to play in any GAA ground.






I can't speak for the faceless "too many" but I firmly believe that the Association should be tasked by its membership with maximising the revenue that it realises from its fixed assets - as long as the games that it promotes aren't adversely affected by such a policy.

[scotscor]

They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.


They could arguably make as much, if not more,money by holding their matches in Twickenham.


@@@@SPAN style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">I very much doubt that they could make more in Twickenham.@@@@/SPAN>





However, what many here want is the GAA down on
their knees. In fact they wont be happy until the GAA open every single
ground in the country for free. Say please come and play in our
grounds, its ok if you are having a magners league game between
Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke Park we will postpone the all
ireland final.



Scots, we haven't had a barney in a long time, but that paragraph is
the biggest load of horses**t I have ever seen you come out with. It is
a lie and a complete misrepresentation. Indeed, it betrays an
uncomfortable siege mentality of your part.


Who are the many ? I hope you are not including me, because it wouldn't be the case.


@@@@SPAN style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Barneys are good for the soul
(good of you to bring up another dinosaur). Yes the paragraph is an
obvious exageration. As some of my posts are wont to be. @@@@/SPAN><br style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">
@@@@SPAN style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">I forget the last time we had one
of these threads, but certainly there are quite a few here and I would
include you and your BJ in that number who seem to find grievence with
the GAA where possible@@@@/SPAN>





Have you any sense of compromise at all? Out of
curiousity besides complaining what have the FAI and the IRFU ever done
for the GAA. Absolutely nothing except complain at every chance.




I have a fine sense of compromise, ta very much, which will be
helped all the more when people stop airbrushing the Sporting and
Cultural apartheid out of the "what have the GAA ever done to the FAI
and the IRFU" sketch.

@@@@SPAN style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">So basically it is the past you
have a problem with? Of course some of teh GAA leadership have been
sporting b*****ds in the past. So what. Syd Millar. @@@@/SPAN><br style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">
@@@@SPAN style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">So Sean Kelly through considerable
grief managed to find a way past the hardliners and managed to open the
ground for the big games, and has he had any thanks for it from the
FAI/IRFU?@@@@/SPAN>

[Old Dog]

Both the Irish Rugby Football Union and the Football Association of Ireland have welcomed the GAA's decision to remove the absolute ban on non-GAA sports in Croke Park, but have pledged to continue to examine all venue options ahead of the planned closing down of Lansdowne Road for redevelopment.


In a statement issued today the IRFU said: "The Irish Rugby Football Union has always stated that during the proposed re-development of Lansdowne Road that it would investigate its options of temporary accommodation, both inside and outside the country, taking account of the logistical and commercial perspectives.


"The Union respects that the availability of Croke Park was entirely at the discretion of the GAA and its members and appreciates and welcomes the change in policy that Croke Park may now become available for the staging of other sporting events."


This was echoed by the FAI's statementon the GAA's decision:


"As we co-ordinate and plan our games schedule for 2007, during the course of the next 18 months, we will investigate all venue options available to us. When we require to commit to specific venues for these matches, we will have evaluated all aspects of the venue decision including footballing, logistical and commercial issues.


"The FAI welcomes the decision of the GAA to enable the consideration of Croke Park's availability to other sports through its Central Council in certain circumstances. While decisions relating to our home games due to take place when Lansdowne Road is under re-development are some way off, we welcome the fact that Croke Park may become available at that time."

[Point]

Just for you od, Brehany comes close here:
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=95&am p; amp;si=1740284&amp;issue_id=14996



Comes close to what ? smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif.That was part of an Independent Newspapers "go" at the FAI.


The FAI need (amazingly I know) to plan ahead as much as possible and it was entirely reasonable to ask to get training sessions in CP as soon as possible. They don't have access to the Croke Park diary, do they ? The GAA are like a scalded cat when it comes to the FAI.

[Point]

"However, former GAA president Con Murphy called for a 'no' vote on the issue, arguing that by voting for Sligo's motion, delegates were voting "an Association that caters for everything and anything, and stands for nothing".




Ever since he came out with that OD, I stopped going into his Petrol station and shop (which I regularly used to). If my sport wasn't good enough for him, then neither was my money.





Did you not go in and challenge him on his views if you felt that strongly? Or did you simply boycott him. That sounds very 19th century to me.





No I didn't, primarily because I would hardly ever see him there (he employs mostly minimum wage types) but as with Denis Conroy (when he was alive), I doubt there would be much point challenging him.





Of course it is easier to sling mud on an internet forum than actually go and act. I went to my local GAA club meeting, spoke and voted on this issue, who else here did anything but talk about it anonymously?





As I would have done if I was a member of a GAA club (not that I would EVER join a GAA club). I made my own protest in my own way, and am glad to have done so. In anycase what mud has been slung wrt Murphy ? He said what he said, and I made my protest.





Does that mean no pints before the Cork-Limerick game on Sat 7th April?





Not for Con anyway smileys/wink.gif

[Old Dog]

Just for you od, Brehany comes close here:
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=95&am p; amp;si=1740284&amp;issue_id=14996






Last paragraph of that article reads: "


But I'm also certain that if the FAI keep niggling on trivial issues, they will irritate the wide band of moderates who voted in good faith to change Rule 42. Good manners demand that if you're renting somebody else's house, you show them respect. That seems to have been lost on the FAI in recent times. Maybe they might ask the IRFU for a guide to the relevant etiquette. "


Breheny has no problem with the rugby supporters - that's fine. Thanks.

[scotscor]

thats sarcasm, cheers

[scotscor]

Tell me SS....why the PRO GAA Stance on this one?
I'm
usually quite pro GAA. I go to maybe 10 or 12 games (almost all
hurling) a year, and while I was delighted that they opened up CP, I
feel that too many think that it should be an automatic right to play
in any GAA ground.
Strangely those people who shout for CP to be
opened up seem to be the same people who believe that Shamrock rovers
ground definitely shouldnt. (Including the minister for fun). This
despite Shams getting a whole heap more money proportionally from the
government for their ground
The funny thing is that the GAA has so
many members (is it the guts of 500k?) all of whom could propose a
motion at congress. Its not just Frank Murphy.








I for one don't feel that everyone should have the divine right to
play in ANY GAA ground around the country....if the GAA were true to
what they stood for, then they would offer an IRISH team the use of A
venue for 3 hrs in this country rather than having to go to a FOREIGN
Country to spend the Queens Pound.


I think there is a difference, and you should seperate them on your argurment.
Anyway it is a pointless arguement, fun, but pointless, as the GAA will not open unless its an all Irish tie.




I agree with the guts of your argument, but believe if asked that the
GAA may open CP. I just hope teh IRFU ask them to consider it.

[Old Dog]

And who here has supported the FAI? Ever?








......... mmmmmmm -- I went to a Limerick v Home Farm match at the Market's field in 1980 .... does that count?





Nope - that would have been a League of Ireland game. smileys/biggrin.gif

[Point]

[QUOTE=Point]


[QUOTE=scotscor] They negotiated a rate, remember that the IRFU will make 6 million @@@@SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">MORE from 2 games@@@@/SPAN> than they would have if the games were lansdowne road.


They could arguably make as much, if not more,money by holding their matches in Twickenham.


@@@@SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">I very much doubt that they could make more in Twickenham.@@@@/SPAN>


@@@@SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">@@@@/SPAN>Debatable


- asthey could well be paying less rent per match,


- in excess of 100 Corporate boxes right on the doorstep of the huge Corporate Business sector in London.


- Large expat community on top of the visiting Irish. Wembley always drew large non-Welsh crowds for Welsh matches.


- payment in Sterling




However, what many here want is the GAA down on their knees. In fact they wont be happy until the GAA open every single ground in the country for free. Say please come and play in our grounds, its ok if you are having a magners league game between Leinster and Munster, you can have Croke Park we will postpone the all ireland final.


Scots, we haven't had a barney in a long time, but that paragraph is the biggest load of horses**t I have ever seen you come out with. It is a lie and a complete misrepresentation. Indeed, it betrays an uncomfortable siege mentality of your part.


Who are the many ? I hope you are not including me, because it wouldn't be the case.


@@@@SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">but certainly there are quite a few here and I would include you and your BJ in that number who seem to find grievence with the GAA where possible@@@@/SPAN>


@@@@SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">@@@@/SPAN>This just proves you don't get it, Scots. When Congress voted in such overwhelming numbers to open CP, I welcomed it. And at the time, someone (it might possibly have been yourself) said that when the GAA voted in such seismic proportions, as that vote was, that all the members bought into it and that would be that. But it hasn't.


We've had (off the top of my head)


- Central Council ruling out non-International matches when they didn't have to do so (in fairness, just how many non-international matches are we talking ?)


- The continued bitterness towards the "Soccer boys".


- The current President making front page news saying that Croke Park is only guaranteed to be open for 2007. That it would have to be ratified by Central Council may make his statement true, but the effect was a real "get back in yer boxes".


- Provincial and County Chairmen coming out with mealy mouthed statements.


What I mean by a metaphorical BJ, is that it seems yourself, CCHA etc are almost stunned that we aren't all on our knees giving thanks to the All Mighty God GAA for the deliverance of CP.


Where we SHOULD be at is


- everyone should be saying how wonderful it is that CP is open


- all fixtures for matches and training should have been decided a while ago


- there shouldn't be any inflammatory language from any side about future games in CP, international or otherwise.


- there shouldn't have been an unseemly discussion about extracting as much money as possible out of the FAI and IRFU. The GAA had already done very well out of the Government, to keep CP closed and then open it up, and indeed Sean Ke

[Old Dog]

What Point said - especially re. Sean Kelly.

[Irish Princess]

[QUOTE=Bitter As A Lemon]


More about not playing a Welsh side @@@@SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">in Wales@@@@/SPAN>, I think.
.








But you have so many travelling fans it wouldn't matter, right?smileys/lol.gif

[ukjim]

As Jimmy Barry Murphy put it...



I would rather see Ronan O' Gara at Pairc Ui Caoimh than Westlife.

[FORWARD....]

Where we SHOULD be at is


- everyone should be saying how wonderful it is that CP is open


- all fixtures for matches and training should have been decided a while ago


- there shouldn't be any inflammatory language from any side about future games in CP, international or other--Point


So could we leave it at that?

[seanoclane]

so does anyone have any idea where the qf matches will be played??smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

[Rabb1tts Jump]

so does anyone have any idea where the qf matches will be played??smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

Since both sides are on course for 'home' draws, a double-header in the Millenium or Twickenham?

[Munster Mad]

If we get a home draw Madeski looks like the venue at the moment depending on the opposition. If we get Wasps we would more than likely have to go somewhere else as it would be a big advantage for them

[seanoclane]

dat would be ok. pity it probly wont be in ireland though

[daveirl]

Double header with Leinster in Mill Stad would be my preference. London is more likely though.

[Piquet]

I've been told that, if we get a home QF, unless we get a Welsh team, we'll play it in Cardiff. If we get a Welsh team, it will be in Reading.


As I've said previously, the only way that a QF will be played in CP is if ALL of the following happens:
<UL>
<LI>the IRFU or the Munster branch ask the GAA "any chance of the use of CP for a QF?"</LI>
<LI>the GAA say"we'll ask the Central Council"</LI>
<LI>the Central Council says "yes"</LI>[/list]

Not a prayer of that.

[danthefan]

I'm hoping for a double header anyway. Would be superb.

[daveirl]

I've been told that, if we get a home QF, unless we get a Welsh team, we'll play it in Cardiff. If we get a Welsh team, it will be in Reading. Then it'll be Cardiff smileys/wink.gif

[SkibRed]

What a 3rd world laughing stock of a country we are. Cardiff? Reading??

[scotscor]

Croke Park, I'm telling ye's.



Can we start a book?

[ybgur]

What about DALYMOUNT PARK which has been sold by Bohs ? Is there still a pitch there ?

[deise boy]

Hey guys....after reading seven pages of posts im actually stunned that nobody appears to have brought up the possibility of playing the match in one of the soccer grounds around the country?? As the point has been made it is only a quarter final and while a double header in Croke Park would be fantastic I feel that its unrealistic.


There are options open to both Munster and Leinster on this island.
<UL>
<LI>Tolka Park can hold almost 10,000 fully seated</LI>
<LI>Turners Cross, 9,000</LI>
<LI>Windsor Park, 20,000</LI>
<LI>Glentoran, 15,000 (which by the way took 55,000 in the 1950's)</LI>[/list]


I would leave Dalymount out because its literally falling down but I dont think we need to leave the country. There are options on this Island and while they are not perfect I feel they are woth exploring??


For example Glentoran....while it may only have 15,000 capacity for football with the more relaxed laws for rugby matches im sure that could be increased??

[2pothouse]

Glentoran????


U crazy!!


None of the other options are big enough either.


Let's have a double header in Cardiff and show them D4 boys the fine watering holes of the place...

[Arthur Guinness]

This old kite has been flown before but George Hook brought it up again yesterday when he said he wouldn't rule out Fitzgerald Stadium,Killarney. It's not likely that the merchant princes of Killarney will turn down a weekend's business like that if it's at all possible.

According to Derek Foley in "The Star" the Millenium Stadium is not available for the quarter final. The English FA have paid a deposit to hold the Johnstone's Paint Trophy final.

[Munstermaniac]

Its the first public muttering I've heard on the whole Killarney thing. As a Tipp man, Killarney holds great memories from 87, and it would be thrilling to go there again to watch Munster. I still have a dream about Semple Stadium though...

This old kite has been flown before but George Hook brought it up again yesterday when he said he wouldn't rule out Fitzgerald Stadium,Killarney. It's not likely that the merchant princes of Killarney will turn down a weekend's business like that if it's at all possible.





http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1833&am (http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1833&amp;PN=1) p;PN=1

You would want to wake up so Munstermaniac, Semple stadium is like God's own field to the GAA, nobody will be allowed in there.


It is also being re-developed at the moment. None of Tipp's games in the league will be played there this year.

[wildRover]

It has to be Thomond Park. The planning has not been granted yet and then there is a month for an appeal or objection so they will holdoff on starting itfor a few more weeks, it will probably take that long to knock the old houses and for the contractors to get set up.


I'd say next season our pool games will go to the RDS.

[Munstermaniac]

You would want to wake up so Munstermaniac, Semple stadium is like God's own field to the GAA, nobody will be allowed in there.


It is also being re-developed at the moment. None of Tipp's games in the league will be played there this year.





I know, but a man can have a dream, can't he? What if somebody gave out to Martin Luther King for having a dream?

You can have a dream, but I could also say to you that MLK was shot for having a dream smileys/shock.gif

[Munstermaniac]

He was shot because his dream was becoming reality. Please don't take away this little piece of daydreaming I am using to get through Monday morningsmileys/biggrin.gif