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LLCOOLJ14
12th-April-2008, 10:52
As we have been saying for weeks.....again.........





Clubs sold short
Cup final should not have clashed with Leinster v Munster showdown
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Today in Athlone, courtesy of Buccaneers RFC, the final of the AIB Cup between Blackrock and Shannon will take place. The kick-off is scheduled for 3.30 and will be preceded by the national knock-out equivalent for junior clubs between Navan and Tullamore.





With everything going according to plan and with events wrapped up in the midlands by say 5.30, that leaves an hour to leg it to Dublin in time for what should be the clash of the Irish rugby season at the RDS as Munster take on Leinster in a Magners League showdown.


Hats off yet again to the IRFU! The organisation that purports to run its business in the best interests of the game has yet again sold its clubs another bummer. Through RTE the game in Athlone is guaranteed to get national coverage, but at what price?


Difficulty


Personally, I still have much difficulty with a knock-out concept that's some way short of a full blown event that embraces junior and senior clubs the length and breadth of the land and remains a half baked attempt by the national body to put in place a national knock-out competition.


But how highly it rates in the corridors of power can be deduced from the staging of the top of the bill professional event in Dublin within a couple of hours of the final whistle at the AIB Cup final in Athlone.


Certainly when it comes to loyalty, sponsors AIB stand tall. They continue their financial commitment despite the couldn't-care- less Union apathy that creates messes such as this. Just how many IRFU officers do you think will be in Athlone instead of the RDS?


Forgive me if I am missing something here, but why not hold one or other of the games on Friday evening or Sunday afternoon? But then that would take planning and the Union just doesn't do planning too cleverly.


The onset of professionalism has seen club and provincial rugby move in the reverse direction to Gaelic Games for example. The Magners League and Heineken Cup are now to rugby what the Railway Cups once were in terms of interest and support within the GAA. And whereas club rugby is dying a slow and unedifying death, the club competitions in GAA flourish each year.


The Leinster Branch could probably have sold the RDS out twice over for tonight's massive Leinster v Munster meeting, while there will be a push to break four figures in Athlone -though with four clubs involved it could be manageable. As a product of the system, club rugby has a part to play in the wider picture. Forget fast-tracking through academies by way of A inter-provincials - a competitive and fully supported club system is the only meaningful way of ensuring that Irish rugby can be competitive in the future. But unfortunately the message emanating from the Union this weekend is that they are content to continue running the game with a laissez faire attitude.


Today's clash of two high-profile matches should not be happening. But at least it has prompted the IRFU to take the appropriate action in switching the AIB League Division 1 final from Saturday, May 10 to the following day at Musgrave Park (kick off 1.15) given the final round of Magners League fixtures the same weekend.


Well why not the same rational planning in advance of today's Cup final? Certainly for Des Dillon (Blackrock), David Quinlan (Shannon), Bernard Smyth (Navan), Nigel Ravenhill (Tullamore) and their respective teams opportunity knocks on the national stage. It is a great chance, particularly with the senior match being televised live, for those with professional aspirations to lay down the relevant marker.


Both 'Rock and Shannon (despite a record eight AIB

Viigand
12th-April-2008, 18:12
Hard for me to have sympathy with the clubs at themoment. Maybe I'll have calmed down for next season.

rugbynut
12th-April-2008, 20:35
Professional game in one hand. Amateur game in other hand... never the twain shall meet.


Magners league fixture was set many moons ago therefore one has to look at the domestic games managers for the scheduling of this one.


To be honest there is no co-relation between what we see on the TV and what goes on at club level, regardless of what the IRFU say, the club game is NOT the 3rd tier of Irish Rugby. The 3rd tier is the academies and the 'A' interprovincials

MadMax.
14th-April-2008, 11:35
Magners league fixture was set many moons ago therefore one has to look at the domestic games managers for the scheduling of this one.





I'd say that might be the other way around. The dates for this yearsAIB cup finals would have already been decided before the Magners league was even finished last year.

Exiled in D4
14th-April-2008, 19:38
Very true Mad Max. The AIL league and cup plan for next season have already been finalised. While the fixtures draw has not been made, clubs should be aware of what weekends are scheduled for next season. The AIB Cup final will already have its slot in next year's scedule allotted to it.

These club games are vital to the development of players as they are pressure games. There is no such pressure in A interprovincials. THis is Ward's point. Munster's success is largely attributable to the winning culture that was cultivated in Shannon, Garryowen and Cork Con in particular. Those who react well to this pressure are more likely to make it.

Mr Thomond
14th-April-2008, 19:55
yes a fact of rugby life now that the AIL has a fixed set of fixtures well well in advance

Point
14th-April-2008, 20:21
Very true Mad Max. The AIL league and cup plan for next season have already been finalised. While the fixtures draw has not been made, clubs should be aware of what weekends are scheduled for next season. The AIB Cup final will already have its slot in next year's scedule allotted to it.

These club games are vital to the development of players as they are pressure games. There is no such pressure in A interprovincials. THis is Ward's point. Munster's success is largely attributable to the winning culture that was cultivated in Shannon, Garryowen and Cork Con in particular. Those who react well to this pressure are more likely to make it.



Only SOME are vital. We need to concentrate the best players at the top clubs. If that doesn't happen then we need another solution. The AIL in its current form is not going to be the long term solution.

Irelandforever
14th-April-2008, 20:35
who developed tomás? certainly not dolphin...he wasnt anywhere near an acceptable level when he first played for munster

bruffian
14th-April-2008, 21:10
who developed tomás? certainly not dolphin...he wasnt anywhere near an acceptable level when he first played for munster



maybe thats because he was only just out of secondary school when he first played for munster.(and had not even played for dolphin at this stage)


the guy was always a massive underage talent.he didnt just come from nowhere.he just needed to mature.which cork con and dolphin both helped him to do.


also the A interpros and academies are not the 3rd tier.the academies arent even a tier since they dont actually play any games.academy players pley for their club,without that they'd get no game time.


also no one cares about the few A games that are played each year.


the AIL remains the 3rd tier.and when you look at some of those ML teams when theres no internationals,it isnt even that big a step down.


shannongarryowen and conwith their fringe munster players who usually play for themwould probably beat connacht

Exiled in D4
15th-April-2008, 15:47
I agree Point. In my opinion, the first division should have no more than 10 teams. All contracted players should be obliged to play for one of these clubs. There would have to be promotion and relegation, but it should concentrate the talent in the first division, thereby increasing the standard.

The difficulty at the moment is the poor standard of club rugby in Connacht and Ulster. Ulster's success of a few years back was based on the foundations of Dungannon winning the AIL and Ballymena being competitive (think they reached a final). This gave them a platform to kick on from. If the top 10 were isolated today. There's be no teams from Ulster or Connacht and 5 each from Munster and Leinster.

Ulster rugby is really struggling at the moment. What's happening to all their good underage players of recent years, they should at least be making an impact with their clubs.